Why are s550 GT500s so slow?

[Klaus]

A provocative title, I know. But hear me out.

There has probably never been a platform that can get into the 9s so easily. Headers, injectors, BAP and a pulley gets you there all day long. This is amazingly fast and even amazingly can be done with an afternoons work.

But what is very easy becomes very hard if you want to get to the next level.

I have been contemplating a 3.8 gt500 and I have to say I am not super impressed. It seems they barely make it to the 8s.

Don't get me wrong, very low 9s/hi 8s is super fast but for whatever reason the gt500 has trouble whereas it does not seem tough for a 10r80 Coyote with a 3.8.

From my research (granted not a ton) it seems like approximately the same build is faster in a GT. Not to mention the greater flexibility you have with building the 10r80.

Am I missing something?

 

[5.0 Hatch]

Lower compression and dct are probably the biggest factors.

 

[big reg]

The Predator is basically a cross plane version of the Voodoo strengthened for boost with lower compression. The Gen 3 Coyote is basically a 5.0 with Voodoo top end. The new 2024 has dual 80mm TB’s as well.

I know you can swing it but if I were building a Mustang it would for sure be a Coyote 10R80 car. Much lighter to start as well. I will be looking into adding a Dark Horse when I can see it in person.

 

[Dusten]

Lower compression and dct are probably the biggest factors.

I thought the TCM was still locked, but admittedly I've been out of the loop

 

[rotor_powerd]

Tuning around the transmission is the current hold up. They don’t like to shift well when under high load.

If you’re looking to go 7’s easily by bolting parts on a car then a 5.0/6R80 car is going to be hard to beat.

 

[1 Alibi 2]

If building a car for the track, one usually leaves out all the fluff, a stripped GT would be a great starting point..
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[ZYBORG]

Bro… Stop it. Lol

”Barely make it into the 8s”….

 

[LS WUT]

Gonna be a good read.

 

[Klaus]

Bro… Stop it. Lol

”Barely make it into the 8s”….

The palm beach 3.8 coyote that I have seen runs 8.8 at 154.

 

[SID297]

Get yourself a Turbo 400 and you're good to go.

 

[SSSSSSSSSSSSVT]

Let’s not forget the starting price for these things. 100k+ for an 11 second quarter mile is laughable. I just don’t understand why Ford can’t build a stripper GT500 base for a reasonable price. Want the boy racer wing - option. Want the DCT auto transmission - option. Forcing a 16k carbon wing and 25k auto transmission to the customers is dumb when it would have been easy to start the GT500 at 60k and option them all the way to 200k for the Kim Kardashian Heritage Edition - love that fancy grey paint!

 

[1 Alibi 2]

Let’s not forget the starting price for these things. 100k+ for an 11 second quarter mile is laughable. I just don’t understand why Ford can’t build a stripper GT500 base for a reasonable price. Want the boy racer wing - option. Want the DCT auto transmission - option. Forcing a 16k carbon wing and 25k auto transmission to the customers is dumb when it would have been easy to start the GT500 at 60k and option them all the way to 200k for the Kim Kardashian Heritage Edition - love that fancy grey paint!

Back in 2013 when I ordered my 14, the MSRP for a base coupe was $ 54,800.00, + $ 795.00 delivery charge..
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[big dad]

Back in 2013 when I ordered my 14, the MSRP for a base coupe was $ 54,800.00, + $ 795.00 delivery charge..
.

I remember when delivery charges were $54.

 

[Dusten]

Let’s not forget the starting price for these things. 100k+ for an 11 second quarter mile is laughable. I just don’t understand why Ford can’t build a stripper GT500 base for a reasonable price. Want the boy racer wing - option. Want the DCT auto transmission - option. Forcing a 16k carbon wing and 25k auto transmission to the customers is dumb when it would have been easy to start the GT500 at 60k and option them all the way to 200k for the Kim Kardashian Heritage Edition - love that fancy grey paint!

Why should they? They sell literally every car they make and then some.

Profit isn't in stripper models and the gt500 isn't meant to be a straight line car. It's more than just an 11 second car. And they run 10s stock.

 

[beefcake]

Let’s not forget the starting price for these things. 100k+ for an 11 second quarter mile is laughable. I just don’t understand why Ford can’t build a stripper GT500 base for a reasonable price. Want the boy racer wing - option. Want the DCT auto transmission - option. Forcing a 16k carbon wing and 25k auto transmission to the customers is dumb when it would have been easy to start the GT500 at 60k and option them all the way to 200k for the Kim Kardashian Heritage Edition - love that fancy grey paint!

100k+?

both our shop cars mrsp in the 80s and we paid in the 80s for them

cars are super easy 9 second cars, dct holds up the 8s.... in general

 

[dan1982]

The palm beach 3.8 coyote that I have seen runs 8.8 at 154.

look at those tats! somebody get him a cage.

 

[svtfocus2cobra]

Let’s not forget the starting price for these things. 100k+ for an 11 second quarter mile is laughable. I just don’t understand why Ford can’t build a stripper GT500 base for a reasonable price. Want the boy racer wing - option. Want the DCT auto transmission - option. Forcing a 16k carbon wing and 25k auto transmission to the customers is dumb when it would have been easy to start the GT500 at 60k and option them all the way to 200k for the Kim Kardashian Heritage Edition - love that fancy grey paint!

The current GT500 is what we all asked for years ago. Remember when the GT500 had a solid axle and was all about straight line performance and was popular but everyone was yelling for Ford to make it more balanced so it could compete better against the ZL1 and even the Corvette around tracks because it was a one trick pony? Now we have essentially the best of both worlds at a pretty damn reasonable cost and it still isn't good enough cause there's always someone who wants the car tailor-made to them. The car isn't for everyone but Ford Performance is listening to their base and producing what they are asking for.

 

[Tob]

Every time I drive mine I can't get over how slow it is. Shameful, I tell ya.

 

[dan1982]

A provocative title, I know. But hear me out.

There has probably never been a platform that can get into the 9s so easily. Headers, injectors, BAP and a pulley gets you there all day long. This is amazingly fast and even amazingly can be done with an afternoons work.

But what is very easy becomes very hard if you want to get to the next level.

I have been contemplating a 3.8 gt500 and I have to say I am not super impressed. It seems they barely make it to the 8s.

Don't get me wrong, very low 9s/hi 8s is super fast but for whatever reason the gt500 has trouble whereas it does not seem tough for a 10r80 Coyote with a 3.8.

From my research (granted not a ton) it seems like approximately the same build is faster in a GT. Not to mention the greater flexibility you have with building the 10r80.

Am I missing something?

why dont u just put a deposit down right now for a 2025 zr1 and stop with the nonsense, should be 1000HP

 

[SSSSSSSSSSSSVT]

The current GT500 is what we all asked for years ago. Remember when the GT500 had a solid axle and was all about straight line performance and was popular but everyone was yelling for Ford to make it more balanced so it could compete better against the ZL1 and even the Corvette around tracks because it was a one trick pony? Now we have essentially the best of both worlds at a pretty damn reasonable cost and it still isn't good enough cause there's always someone who wants the car tailor-made to them. The car isn't for everyone but Ford Performance is listening to their base and producing what they are asking for.

An automatic Shelby is never what i asked for.