TRT discussion

[03Sssnake]

Lol

 

[MG0h3]

I switched from 3x a week to 2x a week.

No reason other than convenience.

Everything I’ve read says T peaks 3-4 days after injection.

I’ll try and do my blood work at the lowest point like always.


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[coremaster21]

I am 28 and think about going on test everyday lol. Been in the gym for about 8 years now and gains have been plateaued for a while. Never bothered with anything serious but I do take protein, preworkout, creatine, joint health supplements and recently ashwagandha. One thing I have been struggling a lot with is pumps. It's a shame too because pumps are what I liked the most about working out. I have tried switching my diet, drinking more water, supersets, you name it but the pumps and mind to muscle connection have really died down for me in the last few years. I have been super curious about where my test levels are but when I asked my PCM through the military they looked at me like I was crazy.

 

[03Sssnake]

I am 28 and think about going on test everyday lol. Been in the gym for about 8 years now and gains have been plateaued for a while. Never bothered with anything serious but I do take protein, preworkout, creatine, joint health supplements and recently ashwagandha. One thing I have been struggling a lot with is pumps. It's a shame too because pumps are what I liked the most about working out. I have tried switching my diet, drinking more water, supersets, you name it but the pumps and mind to muscle connection have really died down for me in the last few years. I have been super curious about where my test levels are but when I asked my PCM through the military they looked at me like I was crazy.

For better pumps, lower the weight some and take the hypertophy volume approach. You will be much more focused on the movement and get that mind/muscle connection. Focus on the eccentric part of the movement and pause there for a moment during the rep. I find myself doing more volume these days, though I still do heavy days for the big compound movements..I hit chest at least 2x a week, one day will be volume 15-20 reps a set and the other heavy lower rep count 5-6 reps a set.

 

[2003RedfireVert]

I am 28 and think about going on test everyday lol. Been in the gym for about 8 years now and gains have been plateaued for a while. Never bothered with anything serious but I do take protein, preworkout, creatine, joint health supplements and recently ashwagandha. One thing I have been struggling a lot with is pumps. It's a shame too because pumps are what I liked the most about working out. I have tried switching my diet, drinking more water, supersets, you name it but the pumps and mind to muscle connection have really died down for me in the last few years. I have been super curious about where my test levels are but when I asked my PCM through the military they looked at me like I was crazy.

Getting labs done won’t hurt. You sound very similar to me. At late 20s I was in the 400-500 range on my labs. By 32-33 I was low 300s.

Good luck! Like anything else only you care and only you can make the choice. No one else gives a sh*t about you even when they say they do.

 

[03Sssnake]

@coremaster21 good luck with TRT while you are still active service, most PCMs are full of shit and the standard of care sucks, their hippocratic oath is to readiness and not your care. Probably going to say you can’t get injections if you are deployed to a remote location etc. You can try and get a second opinion or do this on the DL with a telmed/clinic off post on your own dime. Next time you see a doc ask about getting blood work done and at least see if they will prescribe the test cream, be adamant about it.

I think the best shot you have is going off post for treatment. Even if you get the PCM to run the bloodwork, chances are the military isn’t going to think your numbers are low enough to justify treatment anyways.

 

[2003RedfireVert]

@coremaster21 good luck with TRT while you are still active service, most PCMs are full of shit and the standard of care sucks, their hippocratic oath is to readiness and not your care. Probably going to say you can’t get injections if you are deployed to a remote location etc. You can try and get a second opinion or do this on the DL with a telmed/clinic off post on your own dime. Next time you see a doc ask about getting blood work done and at least see if they will prescribe the test cream, be adamant about it.

I think the best shot you have is going off post for treatment. Even if you get the PCM to run the bloodwork, chances are the military isn’t going to think your numbers are low enough to justify treatment anyways.

Plus…it may not be a testosterone issue anyway. Got to get labs done and be accepting of the results. If your numbers are well within normal, accept them and keep adjusting your lifestyle. Again, YMMV. Either way, take it into your own hands. The government probably cares the least about you.

 

[Myusername]

Also you can try sarms. Some of them elevate your test levels and others do well to help out in the gym. Just be careful tho, one of the ones I was taking made my levels stupid high my doc thought I was on a cycle. Research before you take anything.


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[03Sssnake]

Also you can try sarms. Some of them elevate your test levels and others do well to help out in the gym. Just be careful tho, one of the ones I was taking made my levels stupid high my doc thought I was on a cycle. Research before you take anything.


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They can be liver toxic too, that’s the problem with these research chemicals, especially the orally taken SARMS..If its taken orally, it is metabolized in the liver, just like oral steroids. I also want to mention sarms can shutdown down your natural production of testosterone. Your body sees it as an androgen just like exogenous testosterone and your pituitary will think you have enough test on board and quit signaling your testicals to produce more testosterone.. so boom you are shutdown. Except these SARMs can’t actually replace testosterones function in the body.

 

[Dave.O]

I am 28 and think about going on test everyday lol. Been in the gym for about 8 years now and gains have been plateaued for a while. Never bothered with anything serious but I do take protein, preworkout, creatine, joint health supplements and recently ashwagandha. One thing I have been struggling a lot with is pumps. It's a shame too because pumps are what I liked the most about working out. I have tried switching my diet, drinking more water, supersets, you name it but the pumps and mind to muscle connection have really died down for me in the last few years. I have been super curious about where my test levels are but when I asked my PCM through the military they looked at me like I was crazy.

Not sure if its been mentioned in this thread already, try powdered arginine and citrulline

Definitely helps with my pumps
and as others have mentioned, high volume supersets


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[Myusername]

They can be liver toxic too, that’s the problem with these research chemicals, especially the orally taken SARMS..If its taken orally, it is metabolized in the liver, just like oral steroids. I also want to mention sarms can shutdown down your natural production of testosterone. Your body sees it as an androgen just like exogenous testosterone and your pituitary will think you have enough test on board and quit signaling your testicals to produce more testosterone.. so boom you are shutdown. Except these SARMs can’t actually replace testosterones function in the body.

Yea i read about that, but since my body stopped signaling to make testosterone a few years ago, hence why I’m on trt I didn’t think of that side affect as bad for me. Haha. Good info!!!


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[03Sssnake]

Not sure if its been mentioned in this thread already, try powdered arginine and citrulline

Definitely helps with my pumps
and as others have mentioned, high volume supersets


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Those are great supps to boost nitric oxide and your pumps!!! Take about 6 grams of each daily for an efficacious dose.. and in the downstairs dept that shit will have you hard as ****ing rock too

 

[03Sssnake]

Yea i read about that, but since my body stopped signaling to make testosterone a few years ago, hence why I’m on trt I didn’t think of that side affect as bad for me. Haha. Good info!!!


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Very true, we usually fall in two categories… either we get the requisite amount of the signaling hormone FSH/LH and our balls simply can’t make enough or we don’t get enough LH/FSH signaling from the pituitary so our balls stay lazy.. You can also make too much SHBG as well which will tie up the testosterone you do make and it can’t reach the receptor to be used. My problem was lack of signaling from pituitary, balls actually work quite well when stimulated with hcg/clomid..

 

[CompOrange04GT]

Those are great supps to boost nitric oxide and your pumps!!! Take about 6 grams of each daily for an efficacious dose.. and in the downstairs dept that shit will have you hard as ****ing rock too

100% I take a scoop a day of nitric.


then again right now daily ummm..

Morning: brain function drink/ caffeine, tyrosine, taurine, arginine, astragin

During the day: hydration drink with Himalayan pink salt,

Shot: 1500mg carnitine

Preworkout burn ( 3g more carnitine and beta alanine , etc ) mixed with nitric ( scoop of each )

During gym BCAA mixed with creatine (7.5mg)

With dinner: greens drink for more vitamins ( on top of the daily multi)

Then… the random shit. Glutamine, theanine , omega 3s blah blah

 

[Dave.O]

Very true, we usually fall in two categories… either we get the requisite amount of the signaling hormone FSH/LH and our balls simply can’t make enough or we don’t get enough LH/FSH signaling from the pituitary so our balls stay lazy.. You can also make too much SHBG as well which will tie up the testosterone you do make and it can’t reach the receptor to be used. My problem was lack of signaling from pituitary, balls actually work quite well when stimulated with hcg/clomid..

For what its worth, not sure if actually works but there is a buzz for using DIM as a regulator of SHBG

I have been taking it for awhile, haven’t really noticed a difference but not sure i would given that I’m taking 200 /week of vitamin t anyway




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[03Sssnake]

For what its worth, not sure if actually works but there is a buzz for using DIM as a regulator of SHBG

I have been taking it for awhile, haven’t really noticed a difference but not sure i would given that I’m taking 200 /week of vitamin t anyway




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Yup you won’t notice a big swing of the needle once on TRT.. exogenous test will lower SHBG substantially just by itself.. my SHBG now is almost bottomed out

DIM is still a great supplement to take regardless.

 

[coremaster21]

Thanks everyone for the advice and insight. I am currently deployed so I have a lot of time to focus on working out, it’s mostly how I have been spending my off time. When I get back to the states I definitely plan on getting my levels checked out even if I have to go outside of the military. Now that I am more consistent in the gym and with meals, I have been hitting PRs almost every other week so don’t think I am at the point of using anything yet.

I am also very skeptical about using anything that would jeopardize my health that’s why I haven’t trying SARMs or anything of that nature. I know test can be safe if you know what you are doing or under the care of someone in the field, definitely see it as an option in the future and almost looking forward to it.

I will have to try the arginine and citrulline to see if that helps with the pump, it just sucks I have to supplement when I used to get pumps fairly easy.

 

[coremaster21]

100% I take a scoop a day of nitric.


then again right now daily ummm..

Morning: brain function drink/ caffeine, tyrosine, taurine, arginine, astragin

During the day: hydration drink with Himalayan pink salt,

Shot: 1500mg carnitine

Preworkout burn ( 3g more carnitine and beta alanine , etc ) mixed with nitric ( scoop of each )

During gym BCAA mixed with creatine (7.5mg)

With dinner: greens drink for more vitamins ( on top of the daily multi)

Then… the random shit. Glutamine, theanine , omega 3s blah blah

How are the pumps?

 

[SHIFTYBUSINESS]

I'm also looking into TRT and back in the gym after long time not. No way would I take SARMS from the stuff I've read. Most of what is mentioned above. I don't think the risk reward is worth it.

 

[MG0h3]

Thanks everyone for the advice and insight. I am currently deployed so I have a lot of time to focus on working out, it’s mostly how I have been spending my off time. When I get back to the states I definitely plan on getting my levels checked out even if I have to go outside of the military. Now that I am more consistent in the gym and with meals, I have been hitting PRs almost every other week so don’t think I am at the point of using anything yet.

I am also very skeptical about using anything that would jeopardize my health that’s why I haven’t trying SARMs or anything of that nature. I know test can be safe if you know what you are doing or under the care of someone in the field, definitely see it as an option in the future and almost looking forward to it.

I will have to try the arginine and citrulline to see if that helps with the pump, it just sucks I have to supplement when I used to get pumps fairly easy.

Careful not to be over training as that can have the opposite effect.

Fatigue
Lose strength/pump
Can’t sleep
Loss of appetite

I noticed my inability to get a good pump before I got on the T. First time I took it was in the evening and I woke up with a pump!


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