Supercharger Options?

[Vrrooom]

I'm looking to get a blower, but long term upgradability is important and retaining the stock hood. On that note, looking for max power with the only mod being the blower for now, and then as I upgrade the injectors, I can add more boost, as I get a BAP, I can add more boost, as I upgrade the internals, I can add more. You get the idea.

There are so many options out there and different sizes, it's hard to pick one. And I haven't really seen any good discussions comparing them. I think there should be some type of chart that lists some of the key components that many people ask, being what can I handle w/ stock injectors, stock motor, stock hood, etc.

So what are your suggestions? I want to be at 700rwhp and remain as 'quiet' as possible (stock exhaust) and as daily driver friendly as possible too.

 

[nickf2005]

I'm not an expert by any means, but if you're looking for easy install and making steps along the way, I believe a VMP TVS would be a good route to make your way to 700 RWHP.

Get a hold of BJ or Justin from VMP and they'll tell you more than you'll need to know.

 

[Kenneth]

VMP TVS Stripper would be your best bet if your end goal is 700rwhp.
Start out small (if that's what you want to call 600+rwhp) and upgrade from there.

 

[iwannacobra5]

i'd go with the vmp tvs, but i'm partial =).....call BJ

 

[Van@RevanRacing]

Give me a call and I'll tell you all the reasons why Kenne Bell 2.8 gives you all of the ability you need and takes you to 700 and beyond with less engine parasitic drag and better blower efficiency.

 

[19COBRA93]

I think you'll need a Whipple or KB if you plan on making 700rwh and leaving the stock exhaust.

 

[Kewlv8]

I'm looking to get a blower, but long term upgradability is important and retaining the stock hood. On that note, looking for max power with the only mod being the blower for now, and then as I upgrade the injectors, I can add more boost, as I get a BAP, I can add more boost, as I upgrade the internals, I can add more. You get the idea.

There are so many options out there and different sizes, it's hard to pick one. And I haven't really seen any good discussions comparing them. I think there should be some type of chart that lists some of the key components that many people ask, being what can I handle w/ stock injectors, stock motor, stock hood, etc.

So what are your suggestions? I want to be at 700rwhp and remain as 'quiet' as possible (stock exhaust) and as daily driver friendly as possible too.

TVS for 700HP or below. 2.9+ plus upgrading many other driveline parts for 700HP+. Figure our the power\cost of each option, and you shall have your answer.

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/svt-shelby-gt500-150/777616-vmp-tvs-2-9-whipple.html

 

[1320 Junkie]

Lol at this thread....we just had a big vmp vs kb vs whip 2.9 thread....I run a vmp TVS personally...I'll leave it at that.

17psi, 20" drag radials..blah blah blah, btw this was a base email tune from Lund...I've since been Dyno tuned and pulled another 45hp out of her

Jay 101512_10.9 - YouTube

 

[NightRide]

With what your goals are remaining mostly stock and adding parts along the way its a no brainer. Vmp tvs and done, ease of install, price, crazy torque and near 700 at the wheel with full bolt ons there really isn't a down side. I will say if funds were unlimited and I had more time to work on her I would go KB. Was about to go whipple but the price and easy install were big factors to me. Plus, Justin at vmp is a tuning god so you know the tunes will be spot on.

 

[Ninjak]

Ease of install and good power to cost VMP/Ford TVS

Tougher install good power upgrades modest cost, 2.9 Whipple

Tougher install may have to mod hood...(some say no others say yes) cost the most but very complete and will truly make the most power (IMO) 2.8 Kenny Bell

Crazy Power, cost ?? Twin Turbo Hellion or the likes of it

 

[VNMOUS1]

VMP TVS powered.

Bj

BJ McCarty
R&D Specialist
VMP Tuning
[email protected]
(321) 206-9369 x 112

 

[Justin@VMP]

I know it seems kind of confusing at first, but the options quickly funnel down once you pick whats important to you. Power, fitment, torque, reliability, upgradeability, etc. I can go over everything with you on the phone.

A few weeks ago we had a customer in TX do the stripper TVS and put his STOCK 3" pulley on our blower. The results were quite impressive. The blower was barely working at 12-13psi:

With a 2.5 or 2.4 pulley it only gets better, mid 600s at the tire. Throttle body, exhaust, knocking on the door to 700s:
(this car had stock TB but high-flow cats in good air)

Lower pulley, throttle body, longtubes, and fuel upgrades = mid 700s:

 

[dirtyo2000]

Over the years there are many blower threads that cover everything you will ever want to know. Just have to search or call Van.

 

[TORQJNKY]

Ease of install and good power to cost VMP

Tougher install good power upgrades modest cost, 2.9 Whipple

Tougher install may have to mod hood...(some say no others say yes) cost the most but very complete and will truly make the most power (IMO) 2.8 Kenny Bell

Crazy Power, cost ?? Twin Turbo Hellion or the likes of it

The Whipple install is not really any tougher than the TVS.

OP, I've got a brand new 2.9L Whipple for sale that will meet all of your goals. Oh, and your in MD so you could take advantage of the pick up price and save a ton of money!

http://www.svtperformance.com/forum...8943-f-s-brand-new-polished-2-9l-whipple.html

 

[VNMOUS1]

The Whipple install is not really any tougher than the TVS.

OP, I've got a brand new 2.9L Whipple for sale that will meet all of your goals. Oh, and your in MD so you could take advantage of the pick up price and save a ton of money!

http://www.svtperformance.com/forum...8943-f-s-brand-new-polished-2-9l-whipple.html

With all due respect, the Whipple installation is significantly more involved. Plus with a TVS, there's enough firewall clearance to allow the engine /trans to be tilted to accommodate a clutch swap. The 2.9 Whipple? Not easily.

From a fitment and ease of installation standpoint, they're two different animals.

That said, none of that should have any bearing on you having a good deal available to members for your Whipple. Value is value, and in fact I've pointed a couple of potential Whipple buyers towards your ad. Best of luck on the sale.

Bj

BJ McCarty
R&D Specialist
VMP Tuning
[email protected]
(321) 206-9369 x 112

 

[Vrrooom]

VMP TVS Stripper would be your best bet if your end goal is 700rwhp.
Start out small (if that's what you want to call 600+rwhp) and upgrade from there.

My end goal isn't 700rwhp, my initial goal is 700rwhp. I want to get there with blower only and maybe one or two other mods. So I don't want to get a blower setup that will soon be outdated and doesn't have much potential past 700.

Down the road as I upgrade injectors, pump, exhaust, motor, etc, I want to keep building on that and be over 1000.

 

[TORQJNKY]

With all due respect, the Whipple installation is significantly more involved. Plus with a TVS, there's enough firewall clearance to allow the engine /trans to be tilted to accommodate a clutch swap. The 2.9 Whipple? Not easily.

From a fitment and ease of installation standpoint, they're two different animals.

That said, none of that should have any bearing on you having a good deal available to members for your Whipple. Value is value, and in fact I've pointed a couple of potential Whipple buyers towards your ad. Best of luck on the sale.

Bj

BJ McCarty
R&D Specialist
VMP Tuning
[email protected]
(321) 206-9369 x 112

BJ, when someone prefaces a statement with, "With all due respect", I expect to get disrespected!

I've done two 2.9L installs in the last 2 months. Here are the no shit install differences:

1. My firewall was not in the way, I only had to slighly move up the flat overhang where the ground wire is attached to get the crusher intake under it.
2. Replace the EGR tube because the EGR valve gets slightly repositioned(parts provided). You have to remove the battery to do it.
3. Relocate the BVES valve to the forward portion of the engine on the drivers side (11 and up) kit provided. You have to reposition the intercooler pump if not done already.
4. Drivers side rear fuel injector is a challenge unless you install the fuel rails first.

I wouldn't call these significantly more involved, just a little more involved. Does it take a little longer, of course it does. I agree the VMP Blower is basically a one for one swap and is and easier overall install. As for the clutch swap, you either do it before you replace the blower or you just drop your K-Member, easy enough.

I'm not knockng the VMP TVS blowers by any means. They are a great option and make tremendous power for a 2.3. I appreciate you sending potential buyers my way. :beer:

 

[TORQJNKY]

My end goal isn't 700rwhp, my initial goal is 700rwhp. I want to get there with blower only and maybe one or two other mods. So I don't want to get a blower setup that will soon be outdated and doesn't have much potential past 700.

Down the road as I upgrade injectors, pump, exhaust, motor, etc, I want to keep building on that and be over 1000.

If you plan on eventually being over 1000RWHP, you will need a big blower. You probably saw Van's post about Kenne Bell making 985RWHP with a 4.2 KB, 20V BAP and ID2000 injectors on a 2013 GT500. There is another 2013 GT500 making 906RWHP with a 3.6 KB. Both are monster blowers and require hood and engine lowering mods to work. I don't think you could get to your ultimate goal of 1000RWHP with a 2.8 KB or 2.9 Whipple both of which fit under the stock hood like you desire.

 

[Bonefish]

I concur with above...you probably should go big.....because your goals of 1000HP. I'd call the great vendors we have on this site to discuss your goal and how to get there over time....they've always been helpful to me whether I bought from them or not. It's what makes this place so great!

 

[Ninjak]

Hmm 1000HP ? Well KB 3.6 Liquid cool and call it a day. Not sure with Whipple offerings at that level...They have a 3.4 perhaps ?

In truth at that level of power, you should truly consider a turbo setup IMO.