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Staccato XC vs P Heritage vs DWX
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ahhhh… nonsense! In its most PERFECT form. Just the way God intended.
very nice, sir.
I don't have $3k to drop on a new pistol but when I do I will look at some of those options. 1911s are so easy to hit on target so I'm curious to shoot one in 9mm with that trigger.
Hold the **** on... you need a history lesson. This is simply not true!
Way back in the day before Staccato was created, 2 dudes named Sandy Strayer and Virgil Tripp created and patened the 2011 modular handgun under the company STI (Strayer Tripp International). They then split up after sharing the patent under the STI name (that Tripp later used to custom build under his own name using frames manufactured by STI) and SVI was created when Sandy and Mike Voight (professional shooter) created SVI which then focused on full custom guns. Both STI and SVI manufactured their guns from scratch, in house, in TX... But STI did it in a more cookie cutter way that was an off the shelf design with little customization. SVI went the full custom route while still manufacturing their own.
Later on, about 6-8 years ago IIRC, STI became Staccato and started focusing on slide mounted optics 2011's marketed for duty use. This was a major change in direction for the company, and I'm not saying it was good or bad, but let's slow the eff down on them making it suitable.
No shit Sherlock!
You are correct. Staccato is the “rebranding” of STI.
Stop being a dick and how about you answer the original question!
How many STI's have you owned? When did you own them? What are your thoughts on the quality of them? (Not staccato) I personally have owned 7 that I can recall.
I'm not trying to be a dick, but there are a lot of people who will read this and not understand the truth. Don't be a dick and mislead them.
You posed a question that contradicted it's self, then when I answered the question that was posed I was told to stay on topic. I have experience (first hand) with all the brands that held the original patent on the 2011, I speak from a position of experience and real world testing... not to mention inside information based on contacts and relationships.
In no way am I trying to put down Staccato, but let's be clear about what they are. The company rebranded because they were only able to market their product to the competition shooter (IDPA/USPSA) and they were getting beat by the competition as the market was fairly saturated as well as new competition coming out with the expiration of the 2011 patent.
Instead of choosing to focus on the base that kept them in business they chose to rebrand and chase a new market that wasn't based in competition. This turned out to be the best thing they could have done and was a stroke of genius as they were losing out to their competition before. Most of the competition shooters (their major market base) felt they had been abandoned as they went to an optic forward design when the competition rules didn't allow for that at the time. This was obviously a risk for Staccato as they completely abandoned their buyers but has since worked out very well for them, kudos!!!
All that said, no one that "essentially took the 1911 platform and made it “suitable” for real world duty, while retaining all the “craftsmanship“ of a mid-higher’ish tier 1911." still works there while those very people you seem to tout DO still run SVI and when I brought them up I was told to stay on topic.
Jesus Christ bro…. Get some rest. Get well!
There are other 2011's that are just as good for literally half the cost of some of Staccato's models. For instance, Bul armory makes some great double stacks for less than $2k. The Tac line competes with the Staccato P and has a superior factory trigger for $740 less, or $400 less bundled with a holosun 507k.
Things get more interesting against the XC. The comparable Bul is $2,150 less and shoots every bit as good. You could literally get two Buls for the price of one XC with the only major differences being a very slight drop in FPS from the port design and a PVD coating vs the Staccato's DLC (Israel regulates DLC).
Staccato is a mid tier 2011 with just as many issues as any other mid tier 2011 platform. They're good firearms though and they are a lot easier to buy than a Bul. The video you saw is in reference to their owners being insufferable pricks at the range. They're basically the Ferrari owner rolling into a car show.
To answer the original question as it's framed, XC all day long. Hopefully this is a serious question and you're actually shopping for a 2011.
We’ll agree to disagree. Bull to Staccato is like PSA dagger to Glock.
Saying that Staccato has had as many issues as other mid tier 1911s is laughable.
Unless I am missing info, Staccato is the only 1911 style firearm that has replaced Glock / Sig / S&W for entire law enforcement agencies.
Your diatribe is the same ol, same ol’…. You’re upset about the pricing…
Glad you at least addressed the premise of the thread!
Its clean. But dont like how they tout it as some sort of revolutionary piece… and the grips on it, looks like a copy of a glock stipple job by Defkon3….
So what exactly makes Staccato better than everything else? Be specific here because they're known for having FTF and magazine problems. They also hate running dirty but that's a general 2011 trait.We’ll agree to disagree. Bull to Staccato is like PSA dagger to Glock.
Saying that Staccato has had as many issues as other mid tier 1911s is laughable.
Unless I am missing info, Staccato is the only 1911 style firearm that has replaced Glock / Sig / S&W for entire law enforcement agencies.
Your diatribe is the same ol, same ol’…. You’re upset about the pricing…
Glad you at least addressed the premise of the thread!
Yes, Staccato has 250 police departments and agencies they work with, big deal. Police agencies also certified the Sig P320 as safe and reliable so they're not infallible. The forums have been flooded with people having issues with "police certified" P models so let's not pretend that Staccato is the gold standard. A lot of their mid and low tier 2011's have thins that need addressing and Staccato isn't immune. To their credit, they seem to be receptive to warranty returns.
The money should be an issue. If you're paying $4,300 for a firearm you shouldn't have to file down magazines and mag catches to make them work. They're fine firearms, what I take issue with is parroting their PR department and elevating them to a status they don't deserve while simultaneously trashing other brands....often times from people that have never even shot either.
Because Marketing.
Personally I'd rather have a Wilson Combat EDC for a small or a Platypus for a large 2011 pistol. I've had a few buddies with Staccatos and they are very nice but kinda worthless (to me).
I know, harsh.
But it's to big to carry, a Glock 19 is perfectly suitable as a "combat handgun" and my understanding is the Staccato is still not race gun ready.
So for $3k I'd rather have a Luger or M45A1 as a collectors piece or a HK USP and crates of ammo for a "toy".
Bro, i think you and I might have touched on this before… lol.
I will say that Staccato is USA made. Its also approved by over 1,400 law enforcement agencies across the country. It is carried by elite units like the Texas Rangers and the US Marshals Special Operations Group, as well as thousands of officers across the country. They have a SOLID track record, besides some outliers.
Look man, Im not gonna try to change your mind… You like what you like. The value of something is subject to interpretation. God damn it… this thread isnt even about that!
So...
The same departments that approved the P320?
Did the Staccato pass the US Militaries grueling reliability competition? Any Special Forces using it? SOCOM approved?
How many dudes have been put in the dirt with it?
Dan Wesson DWX all day, every day…
The Staccato is for the pinky in the air crowd… fellas that enjoy the company of other men and broadway musicals..
The Staccato is for the pinky in the air crowd… fellas that enjoy the company of other men and broadway musicals..
Out of your choices and based on it being edc, I would go with the Staccato P for the lighter weight and shorter barrel. If the weight and size isn’t an issue for your body frame the Wesson would be the clear winner.
For what it’s worth I own an STI escort single stack and when I first got it I had some failure to feed issues which required two returns back toSTI to get figured out. No problems since then.
For what it’s worth I own an STI escort single stack and when I first got it I had some failure to feed issues which required two returns back toSTI to get figured out. No problems since then.
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