I'd take you up on that if it weren't so long of a drive
NX with BBR tune vs N.O. with AED tune?
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I can't help on #1 but on #2, The nitrous isn't gonna run exactly 100 hp the full rpm range. Timing and a/f has an effect on power and with that one running "no tune" it would be leaner and have more timing and a stock curve(or as close as the knock sensors will allow )
Thanks! More to come too, it will actually get tuned and we might go to a 150 shot if I can talk my wife into more nitrous.
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I can't help on #1 but on #2, The nitrous isn't gonna run exactly 100 hp the full rpm range. Timing and a/f has an effect on power and with that one running "no tune" it would be leaner and have more timing and a stock curve(or as close as the knock sensors will allow )
This makes me feel better about not making as much power . And makes since cuz I know my tuner pulled 4 degrees and my air /fuel is 11.8
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4* means little, 4* from what? 23*? 26*? 30*? A stock tune runs about 24* based on basic conditions. So he had 2* pulled from 24*. So the car was seeing around 21 to 22* peak on nitrous. Your car is already dyno tuned and its common for most tuners to run around 26* of timing in these cars with bolt ons so in theory your timing with 4* pulled is very simular to his but your car made about 35 percent less power then his... things that make you go hmmmm.
Any decent nitrous tuner knows that a/f changes power very little on these cars so its NOT the fueling for a 35 percent power loss. I don't know how to explain this any easier, something is "up" with these so called "100" shot numbers, its just that simple.
So a recap, If I told you I poured out 20 oz of soda from a 12 oz can you would say I was full of shit, right?
4* means little, 4* from what? 23*? 26*? 30*? A stock tune runs about 24* based on basic conditions. So he had 2* pulled from 24*. So the car was seeing around 21 to 22* peak on nitrous. Your car is already dyno tuned and its common for most tuners to run around 26* of timing in these cars with bolt ons so in theory your timing with 4* pulled is very simular to his but your car made about 35 percent less power then his... things that make you go hmmmm.
Any decent nitrous tuner knows that a/f changes power very little on these cars so its NOT the fueling for a 35 percent power loss. I don't know how to explain this any easier, something is "up" with these so called "100" shot numbers, its just that simple.
So a recap, If I told you I poured out 20 oz of soda from a 12 oz can you would say I was full of shit, right?
Lol love the analogy..
What CBR is getting at is this...the power you gain from using nitrous oxide in your internal combustion motor comes from only one thing--the measured amount of nitrous that the motor ingests. Nothing more, nothing less.
There is no magic involved, there is no secret formula for uber power--the only thing that matters is how much liquid nitrous flows from the bottle through the nitrous jet, and into the motor. If you want more power or IF you're making more power than someone else on the exact same setup, you're flowing more liquid into your motor plain and simple. How do you flow more nitrous? You use a bigger jet!
With that in mind, how could it be physically possible for 2 people with the exact same kit and the exact same "100 shot" jetting to have a difference of ~40whp peak and ~50whp in the mid range?
A "100 shot" per NO's website and their own admission is .052 pill (that's a 52 thousandths opening). Guess what the NX jetting is for a "100 shot"... yep, you guessed it.. a .052 pill..
Guess how much power I pick up on a .052 pill.. guess how much cbrtrx picks up on a .052 pill.. guess how much power 125oh picks up on a .052 pill. Guess how much ANYBODY will pick up on a .052 pill.. 100whp!.. Sure, it might be + or - a few hp but it'll be right at 100 hp to the tires every time as long as the .052 jet is used. It's physically impossible to flow more liquid through the same size opening. Period. End of story. "NO"body can defy the laws of physics.
^ Well put!
We have some new systems that will be out soon with results on and off the track. A solid 100rwhp gain and 150trw gain on a 100shot. More info to follow soon.
I want to thank everyone for the phone calls, orders, and new nitrous set-ups! Your going to love it!!
Because how much happened yesterday, we are extending our free shipping and t-shirt through today. (tuning and datalogging will be charged. Remember though, tunes come with our stage systems)
We have some new systems that will be out soon with results on and off the track. A solid 100rwhp gain and 150trw gain on a 100shot. More info to follow soon.
I want to thank everyone for the phone calls, orders, and new nitrous set-ups! Your going to love it!!
Because how much happened yesterday, we are extending our free shipping and t-shirt through today. (tuning and datalogging will be charged. Remember though, tunes come with our stage systems)
False...bottle pressure will affect the amount of nitrous that flows through a jet
Bingo! I was just gonna say the same thing...the difference between 800 psi and 1000 psi is quite huge!
Ok let me clarify.. I ASSumed ceteris paribus or "all things being equal", a .052 jet on a NO kit for customer "A" is not going to flow more than customer "B" and it certainly isn't going to flow an extra ~50whp more.
ASSUMING the same bottle pressure etc
Are you speaking from experience? Are you one of the guys that run pressure at 1200 cause you think its better that way? I love watching those guys at the track jacking their pressure up and running slower, it makes me laugh cause they don't inderstand how nitrous flows. Bottle pressure should be at 1000 psi and both manufacturers will tell you that.
Years ago I've tested pressure from 900 1000 1100, HP increase was within 5 hp on a 100 shot. The difference people feel is the tq created from the hit with the higher pressure so they think its making more power but the hp gains are still the same.
Now I'm sure nitrous outlet had their pressure set correctly. I do not know what the other member had his at but his set up did make 102hp from his 100 shot so I image his pressure was close in line where it should have been.
Are you implying that if the pressure was raised more the one member would get his 35 percent hp gain from the same size jet?
Yes I agree, to the OP, either place would give you a great tune that you would be happy with.
I would stake my reputation on the fact that you changing to the .057 from your .052 and upping the fuel jet 1 or 2 sizes will net +/- 5hp of a 125whp gain.
Please do so and keep us posted :beer:
no Dude I was just pointing out that everything about the sentence you typed was wrong.
"Dude" I was NOT the one you originally quoted, nothing I wrote was wrong. Everything I wrote is correct from real world experience.
You assume "all things equal" but are comparing 2 different cars, on 2 different dynos, tuned by different tuners. You and CBRTRX have no clue how either car is tuned and are just stuck on the fact that one made more power. If 2 9psi vortech cars differ by 30 hp is "something up" with ones #'s.
P.S. My car 2/14/2011. N/A: 378rw; N2O .052 jet: 473rw; same jet add 1 degree of timing: 502rw, but leaning it out 3/4 of a point netted 6rw. This is same car, same dyno, same tuner and with the same jet varied by 35rwhp.
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