For all who OK abortion because of the mothers life...

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This is how it is supposed to be.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/02/health/joice-pregnancy-cancer/index.html?hpt=hp_t4

(CNN) -- When Elizabeth Joice found out that she was pregnant, she and her husband, Max, were ecstatic.
A fertility specialist had told her that this would never happen, Max says, because of the chemotherapy Elizabeth underwent to beat sarcoma in 2010.

"It very much felt like a miracle," he says. "Bringing a child into this world -- I mean, it wasn't just important for me; it was one of the most important things for Liz."

Then, one month into her pregnancy, Elizabeth's cancer returned, he says.

Surgeons removed the tumors in her back, but she needed a full-body MRI scan to know whether the cancer had spread. Because an MRI's contrast dyes may damage a developing fetus, she faced a difficult decision. She could either terminate her pregnancy to undergo the scan or continue with the pregnancy without knowing her true cancer status.

"We felt that if we terminated this pregnancy and did these scans, if it turned out that there was no evidence of this disease after the scans, then we would have possibly given up our only chance at having a child naturally and would have done it for nothing," Max said.

"It was a calculated risk. We knew there was a possibility of a worst-case scenario, but we also thought there was a good chance that we could have the baby."

Shortly after becoming pregnant, Elizabeth was introduced to filmmaker Christopher Henze. His upcoming documentary on pregnancy and motherhood will include the Joices' story.

"It took about three minutes to realize that Liz was a stellar human being, and I wanted her for my movie," Henze said. "I was impressed by the way she looked at cancer as another problem to be solved."

Even though a shielded chest X-ray taken in November found no sign of cancer, by January, she was having trouble breathing. Another X-ray revealed tumors in her lungs. Her C-section date was moved up, and on January 23 -- six weeks early -- Lily Joice was born.

"It was incredibly difficult to want to enjoy this amazing moment as much as you possibly can," Max said. "Yet to know that you're facing something so incredibly dire, and the chances didn't look good at that point."
After delivery, doctors found cancer in Elizabeth's heart, abdomen and pelvis.

She died in the hospital on March 9. She was 36.

"In the face of this life-threatening illness," her husband said, "she was so optimistic and so strong and so willing to go through whatever fight she would have to go through in order to have this baby."

Henze delivered a eulogy at Elizabeth's funeral.

"Lots of people say 'Liz was'; I say 'Liz is,' " Henze said. "Through her spirit and grace, she is still affecting people, and she will through the movie, will continue to impact people. Liz is."

BRAVO to Liz! It is unfortunate that doing what is right is so rare that it makes a headline :(
 

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Letting cancer kill yourself is the right thing to do, as long as you can have a baby naturally?

Bravo!

Now when the kid looks up in the sky, she won't see her mother because she is 6 feet deep in the ground.
 

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So a pregnant woman with cancer decided to give birth to her baby... It's unfortunate that she passed.

I'm assuming that you applaud this woman because she basically gave up the chance at aggressive cancer treatment to avoid an abortion?
 

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How great, a child raised by another single parent. How dare they consider terminating the pregnancy, saving the mother's life, and then adopting one of the millions of orphans around the world and providing them with a loving and nurturing home.
 

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pregnancy, even for people who have difficulties, can be attempted as much as possible. being dead sort of makes that hard to do.

so, in short:

-unnecessarily giving up your chance to live
-a baby born with the guilt of knowing their mother could be alive if not for them
-the father living the struggles of a single parent when he may not have had to
-the father has the devastation of losing his partner

BRAVO! indeed.

it's a sad story, and i'm glad to see your rejoicing in someone's loss because its 'right'.
 
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Everyone looks at the negative side without realizing that this child will be raised by a clearly great father to teach her that her mother sacrificed her life so that she could have a chance to live, and her husband could cherish the fact that him and his wife created something special before her passing.

Some of you see nothing but negativity without acknowledging the selflessness and the sacrifice one parent gave for their only child.
 

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Wow! How can most of you even imagine the painfull choice this woman (and husband) had to make. Your attempts to belittle and demean their selfless decision is nothing short of offensive! Whether you agree, or not... This couple obviously held the life of thier unborn child to be dear, precious and worthy of saving. Anyone who would attempt to attempt to demonize them for their 'choice' is just dusgusting to me.

And you folks whining about over population ...etc.. as a way to justify and promote abortion (as a means of birth control).... please lead off this initiative by removing yourself from the gene pool before you begin to lecture me with your condecending BS.

pregnancy, even for people who have difficulties, can be attempted as much as possible. being dead sort of makes that hard to do.

so, in short:

-unnecessarily giving up your chance to live
-a baby born with the guilt of knowing their mother could be alive if not for them
-the father living the struggles of a single parent when he may not have had to
-the father has the devastation of losing his partner

BRAVO! indeed.

it's a sad story, and i'm glad to see your rejoicing in someone's loss because its 'right'.
 
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Wow! How can most of you even imagine the painfull choice this woman (and husband) had to make. Your attempts to belittle and demean their selfless decision is nothing short of offensive! Whether you agree, or not... This couple obviously held the life of thier unborn child to be dear, precious and worthy of saving. Anyone who would attempt to attempt to demonize them for their 'choice' is just dusgusting to me.

And you folks whining about over population ...etc.. as a way to justify and promote abortion (as a means of birth control).... please lead off this initiative by removing yourself from the gene pool before you begin to lecture me with your condecending BS.

+1

This place sickens me more and more with the garbage people post. It's like there's no regard for human life anymore.
 

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Wow! How can most of you even imagine the painfull choice this woman (and husband) had to make. Your attempts to belittle and demean their selfless decision is nothing short of offensive! Whether you agree, or not... This couple obviously held the life of thier unborn child to be dear, precious and worthy of saving. Anyone who would attempt to attempt to demonize them for their 'choice' is just dusgusting to me.

And you folks whining about over population ...etc.. as a way to justify and promote abortion (as a means of birth control).... please lead off this initiative by removing yourself from the gene pool before you begin to lecture me with your condecending BS.

i'm criticizing fastback for lauding this loss of life simply because it fits his beliefs. it was obviously a devastating decision for the family. i laid out the cold reality of the choice. a pregnancy can be reattempted, life cannot. believe what you want, but don't get all giddy because someone chose a path that you agree with.
 

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i'm criticizing fastback for lauding this loss of life simply because it fits his beliefs. it was obviously a devastating decision for the family. i laid out the cold reality of the choice. a pregnancy can be reattempted, life cannot. believe what you want, but don't get all giddy because someone chose a path that you agree with.

giddy? Get out of here with your utter bull crap. Applauding someone for making the right choice (Bravo would be the word I used) is HARDLY being "giddy"...some people just cant read simple words without their stupidity getting in the way.
 

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Wow! How can most of you even imagine the painfull choice this woman (and husband) had to make. Your attempts to belittle and demean their selfless decision is nothing short of offensive! Whether you agree, or not... This couple obviously held the life of thier unborn child to be dear, precious and worthy of saving. Anyone who would attempt to attempt to demonize them for their 'choice' is just dusgusting to me.

I cant imagine the difficult of having to make that choice. But it is good to see people make the right choice even when it is a far difficult choice to make.

When you choose to become a parent, you choose (or should be choosing, sadly many dont) to put the child before yourself.
 

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You keep talking about the "right" choice. What's right for you is not for others. I'm glad you're happy that this woman died to avoid an abortion. I'm glad it was the "right" choice for them.

This thread just seems like a pro life troll thread to get people arguing.
 

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giddy? Get out of here with your utter bull crap. Applauding someone for making the right choice (Bravo would be the word I used) is HARDLY being "giddy"...some people just cant read simple words without their stupidity getting in the way.

you right. the op seems to suffer from this greatly.

and just so we're clear, 'BRAVO!':

bra·vo noun \ˈbrä-(ˌ)vō, brä-ˈvō\
plural bravos
Definition of BRAVO

: a shout of approval —often used interjectionally in applauding a performance

: to applaud by shouts of bravo



again, my assertion of giddy is more than appropriate.
 

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you right. the op seems to suffer from this greatly.

and just so we're clear, 'BRAVO!':

bra·vo noun \ˈbrä-(ˌ)vō, brä-ˈvō\
plural bravos
Definition of BRAVO

: a shout of approval —often used interjectionally in applauding a performance

: to applaud by shouts of bravo



again, my assertion of giddy is more than appropriate.

so I applauded her? People applaud people who make the right choices all the time. We applaud soldiers who died in combat. Bravo, and applauding, are the right responses.

Giddy, however, is not...m-w.com, giddy: joyfully elated

Maybe you should learn the difference between applauding someone and being joyfully elated.
 

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.... i laid out the cold reality of the choice. a pregnancy can be reattempted, life cannot.

Based on 'your' reality.... Right? You chose to use sarcasm and a patronizing tone to make your point. Why not just take the high road and not post.. If you are all for respecting people's right to thier POV... Why can't you get that many see the unborn child a s life worth protecting.

Now.. with more information... I could certainly debate other perspectives on this.. Did she have other children?? If so, you could argue a higher level of responsibility to caring for those children..... but those details were not presented here.

...believe what you want, but don't get all giddy because someone chose a path that you agree with.

....Then don't get all pissy yourself becauese somebody points of somebody that made a tough decision, holding fast to their core beliefs. Your post drips of attitude, stemming from your biased pov. ..Yet you criticize others for showing an emotional response for actions they feel are admirable... ??
 

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so I applauded her? People applaud people who make the right choices all the time. We applaud soldiers who died in combat. Bravo, and applauding, are the right responses.

Giddy, however, is not...m-w.com, giddy: joyfully elated

Maybe you should learn the difference between applauding someone and being joyfully elated.
HINT: a normal person would be both joyful and related when applauding someone.

but you know what? i'm not going to go through this circle jerk with you again. i've lost the patience required to spell everything out for you.
 

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HINT: a normal person would be both joyful and related when applauding someone.

but you know what? i'm not going to go through this circle jerk with you again. i've lost the patience required to spell everything out for you.

let me know about the 1:20 mark here, how many are "joyfully elated"

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