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Fall 2017 GT500 supercharged voodoo, 10 speed auto and....
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My opinion is that Ford is not looking to compete with the $100K Demon. And with the ZL1 selling below MSRP ($63K) and having a very nice mechanical setup (subjective/aesthetic measures aside), if Ford puts something out with MSRP+ADM over $75K, my opinion is they may not sell that many. Particulary, when you consider that unlike 2003 and 2007, they are not the only game in hi-po city!
i agree with the folks who say 700+ TT Coyote variant. And if the price and features are not competitive with the gen6 ZL1, it still will not interest me, and I have been waiting a long time. Still driving my 08 GT500! Produce something that exceeds the ZL1 at the same price and I may part with $65K plus TTL. Otherwise, I can have a lot of fun with $65K in many, many ways!
i agree with the folks who say 700+ TT Coyote variant. And if the price and features are not competitive with the gen6 ZL1, it still will not interest me, and I have been waiting a long time. Still driving my 08 GT500! Produce something that exceeds the ZL1 at the same price and I may part with $65K plus TTL. Otherwise, I can have a lot of fun with $65K in many, many ways!
Like others said, I would hope Ford would be more innovative than to just slap some turbos on a 5.0 and calling it a day. They have spoiled us by offering up the top dog Mustang with a bespoke engine. With all the cookies they dropped in the photo of the '18 display cluster, it might be a high-revving little 289 with some form of boost.
7L direct injection with blower and turbos making 1000 wheel hp. Of course it will come with 285 rubber and a sh11ty remote shifter, but who cares, 1000 HP baby!!!!!
@ gtpremi you mean 5.0 with a blower slapped on? Throwing twins on it would be groundbreaking for the American muscle scene.
Throwing a blower on it would be status quo. That's been the go to since 2003.
If ford gets twins to work on the new gt500, it will sell out on week one.
Throwing a blower on it would be status quo. That's been the go to since 2003.
If ford gets twins to work on the new gt500, it will sell out on week one.
Twins would be a first by an American manufacturer for a premium v8 model.
It would be as impressive as AMG's and BMW M's v8 tt's. If they manage 725hp, it would be exceptional. It doesn't need to compete with the demon.
Ford has offered an 8 second cobra jet for 5+ years now. You can put street tags on it with a few tweaks. This isn't saying dodge didn't do great, it's saying don't get caught up in the marketing. People have already made street legal cobra jets.
It would be as impressive as AMG's and BMW M's v8 tt's. If they manage 725hp, it would be exceptional. It doesn't need to compete with the demon.
Ford has offered an 8 second cobra jet for 5+ years now. You can put street tags on it with a few tweaks. This isn't saying dodge didn't do great, it's saying don't get caught up in the marketing. People have already made street legal cobra jets.
Carry on.
Fords working on a 4.8 iirc, not sure of many details though.
I don't know about the Mercs, but BMW's ttV8s have some fierce turbo lag off idle. Then the boost hits way too hard, and breaks the rear loose. I've experienced it on track.
A turbo V8 Mustang would certainly be "interesting," but the power delivery wouldn't be anywhere near as linear as with a PD blower. That said, I think I'd be fine with either one. I'd prefer some snails just for a change, though.
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Your first rebut to my post was something about how Ford puts their motors through 300 hours of full throttle tests and that the FI Coyote wouldnt last.
Now you are talking about smog, EPA, and profitability? Da fug???
Nice move on the bait and switch.
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Even the M157s (5.5L Biturbo V8s) didn't lag, the hot V 4.0L M177 and M178 don't either, twin scrolls and VGT help, as does the ability to run a higher static C/R with DI. Factory turbos for the M157 and some M177s and M178s are smaller to help reduce lag as well. You can see the M157 hang its tongue out at ~5500rpm.
ECU only M157 Biturbo Dyno:
618/740rw SAE on 93 pump.
Here's that tune only F488 Before/After dyno (3.9, DI 4v V8 Conventional TT), notice also you don't need rpm with FI, that goes for blowers and turbos. Unless it's all out race, there's no sense in adding such significant additional stress to the engine and driveline. Ultimately the F488 is quickest when short shifted shy of it's ultimate electronic redline:
Twins please.
The audi S6 and S7 TT v8s are running 10s at over 130 mph on a tune only.... i 2nd the motion for twins!
I quote full quotes as to not confuse anyone.
5.0 coyotes make good power, stronger than blown 5.8 of the 13 gt500.
However the aftermarket that is creating the 700/800hp 5.0 will not pass Fords durability testing nor the EPA regulations.
See above.
They do make 800hp meaning the aftermarket blown Turbo 5.0. They don't need to pass the 300 straight hours running like the test Ford puts on them. They don't have to pass the EPA regulations either.
Yes Ford can make a blown 5.0 but it will have less power than the 800hp aftermarket based on the above reasons.
No bait and switch. If you think you can build a better car than Ford go ahead and do it.
And to those who think that Ford cannot solve the engineering on a smallish displacement TT 8-cyl, I am reminded of what people might have said regarding a FPC 5.2 liter's possibilities. Ford may just continue to do what the other guy's don't!
how do you make it street legal with no VIN?
Well, like I said, I certainly wouldn't be turned off by a small displacement V8. As long as it makes the necessary power, I'd welcome one. That little 4L in the E90/92 M3 is glorious, and like mentioned above, some serious power can be had out of Audi's 4L TTV8. Heck, look at what McLaren is getting out of it's little 3.8.
Research how to register a kit car.
I'd be happy with a GT350 like package with the new '18 MY updates and the 10-speed with a FI dual injection Coyote.
TT>2.65 TVS and 5.2>>5.0 to me personally, but either way I'd be happy.
Ford needs a GT500 out ASAP.
And remember, the '68 GT500 KR.
A 50th anniversary for the King of the Road GT500KR sounds good to me.
-J
TT>2.65 TVS and 5.2>>5.0 to me personally, but either way I'd be happy.
Ford needs a GT500 out ASAP.
And remember, the '68 GT500 KR.
A 50th anniversary for the King of the Road GT500KR sounds good to me.
-J
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