If the CTS-V is your standard then i guess 99.9% of the vehicles on the road are gutless as well. The LT4 also best the viper v10 in torque and it has the highest displacement of any production vehicle.
Does ford/lincoln need a coyote based rwd sedan?
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If the CTS-V is your standard then i guess 99.9% of the vehicles on the road are gutless as well. The LT4 also best the viper v10 in torque and it has the highest displacement of any production vehicle.
Don't forget that Lincoln has a 3.0TT V6 with 400hp/400tq and with a tune it's making some very solid numbers compared to the 3.5TT in the older Lincolns. I love my '12 MKS and with a tune it moves out great, but I wouldn't mind having it RWD biased instead of FWD (as well as V8 rumble).
I realize my comparison is extreme, but I still can not see that mustang version coyote being in a 4k+ pound vehicle without doing something to increase low end torque.
Ford is all a board the ecoboost wagon. Nothing will have a v8 again outside of the Mustang F-series trucks. G8 GT is next on my list of cars to have.
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you cant see the coyote being in a 4k pound vehicle but you totally ignore the fact that there are over 1 million coyote powered f150s on the road? Depending on cab configuration f150 curb weights can get close to 6,000lbs.
Peoples perceptions are skewed. The 04 cobra was "only" rated for 390lb-ft and it was supercharged.
I have not seen a dyno comparing the torque curve between the truck and car versions of the coyote, but I can only assume the truck coyote is tuned for towing and more low-end torque. I am also assuming the gear ratio is much shorter on the truck. My auto '13 mustang came with 3.15s so that is what I am also comparing my experience to.
LMR has a comparison sheet between the mustang and truck coyote: https://lmr.com/products/what-makes-a-coyote-f150-engine-different
As far as the '03 and '04 cobras are concerned, I am assuming the torque curve is a lot flatter and less peaky compared to the mustang coyote.
Spot on. Lincoln = old man car. They need new desiners
Stole the words outta my mouth. I've towed 8000 lbs with my F150 through mountains and it did better than my old F350 with its boat anchor 460.
The coyote simply needs the proper gearing and it shines like Christmas. The new DI coyote for 2018 will very likely have 475 hp and 455 ft lbs and I would snuff a drifter to have that motor in a 3600 lb rwd sedan.
You do know the Mustang is in the 25-40k market segment, right?
The SS is a 3 option car with one engine and two transmissions. If they sold a down-market version of that chassis with a turbo 4 and six it would offset the cost of the chassis and lower the cost of the higher end models.
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Hmmmm.... Crown Vic with a 4v headswap or Marauder.... if youre into a sedan that would be a sweet ride and fun fambam mobile.
As far as going forward, i hate to say it but it looks like Ford and V8 rwd sedans are finito.
Unless Kia can prove that their new V8 sedan is a winner and they sell like hotcakes, im afraid you won't see new ones anytime soon.
On that note id be pissed if they did bring out a RWD V8 sedan instead of making the next GT500....
As far as going forward, i hate to say it but it looks like Ford and V8 rwd sedans are finito.
Unless Kia can prove that their new V8 sedan is a winner and they sell like hotcakes, im afraid you won't see new ones anytime soon.
On that note id be pissed if they did bring out a RWD V8 sedan instead of making the next GT500....
Not digging the ecoboost SHO? Pretty fast with a tune and a few bolt-ons
I wouldn't mind a Marauder. One of my refinery clients took me to lunch in his and I was quite amazed at its performance. It really was like a 4 door Mustang.
But as for a V8 RWD sedan? The ship set sail already. If Ford dropped the V8 for an EB V6 in the Expedition, it's a stretch to think they'll put one in a sedan.
But as for a V8 RWD sedan? The ship set sail already. If Ford dropped the V8 for an EB V6 in the Expedition, it's a stretch to think they'll put one in a sedan.
Lincoln will be having a Lincoln coupe that is RWD in 2021. Autoforecast Soloutions shows it is slated for 2021. It was also mentioned on Autoline Detroit:
No doubt most of you remember the Lincoln Mark series that started with the Mark I in 1948, all the way to the last Mark VIII made in 1998. Well it sure looks like the Lincoln Motor Company is getting ready to revive that lineup with an all new Mark IX. According to Auto Forecast Solutions LLC, a Lincoln Mark IX is slated to be built at Ford’s Flat Rock assembly plant in January, 2022. From the sound of it, it will be a low-volume niche product that could be a coupe or convertible. Of course, 2022 is seven years away and a lot could change between now and then. But as of right now, a Mark IX is part of Lincoln’s product plan.
http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forum...lincoln-mark-series-return.html?action=thread
No doubt most of you remember the Lincoln Mark series that started with the Mark I in 1948, all the way to the last Mark VIII made in 1998. Well it sure looks like the Lincoln Motor Company is getting ready to revive that lineup with an all new Mark IX. According to Auto Forecast Solutions LLC, a Lincoln Mark IX is slated to be built at Ford’s Flat Rock assembly plant in January, 2022. From the sound of it, it will be a low-volume niche product that could be a coupe or convertible. Of course, 2022 is seven years away and a lot could change between now and then. But as of right now, a Mark IX is part of Lincoln’s product plan.
http://www.fordinsidenews.com/forum...lincoln-mark-series-return.html?action=thread
A ctsv contender would be awesome
The CTSV sells poorly. Lincoln is aiming for the cushy luxury market, not the performance market. Why make it something it isnt?
I'm glad I did what I did with this thread. lol
If you look at sales numbers, most manufacturers sell 15-30k rear drive sedans a year. Thats total volume, not just V8s. For ford to design a platform and put a v8 in it, the sales numbers just aren't there.
Someone already swapped a F150 spec coyote and 6R80 into a Marauder (he did put a stock GT intake on it) and with the stock 2-2 1/4" exhaust and 3.55 rear gears on a factory F150 tune, it ran a 13.7 in the 1/4. I am sure A mustang engine, better factory exhaust (that exhaust was made for a 210hp 2v back in the early 90s) and a good tune setup for the car would put it dead on with a chevy SS in the 1/4. Hell, the new 10 speed would probably put it in the mid 12's if not faster.
Not worth doing a 4v swap on a 2v panther, just buy the better car in the first place.
They had the straight line performance of a 05-10 V6 in stock trim.
You'd have a driveline worth 5x the price of the car before you spent a dollar on aftermarket parts.
To answer the original question, yes...they do. While it wouldn't be a big volume vehicle, they need something to further attract non-Ford buyers to the brand.
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