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  1. joshcarp81

    joshcarp81 Well-Known Member Established Member

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    I would say door definitely kicked open and shots were fired. It may have even been an air pellet/bb gun. I have a fully automatic dpms bb gun and it is a riot!
     
  2. MarcSpaz

    MarcSpaz Resident Trouble Maker Premium Member Established Member

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    Follow-up video.

     
  3. ZYBORG

    ZYBORG Let's roll.. Premium Member Established Member

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    I’d say your argument for it being fake is very very weak. Nice tinfoil hat, tho!
     
  4. MarcSpaz

    MarcSpaz Resident Trouble Maker Premium Member Established Member

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    Dude, I have been a consultant for local, state and federal law enforcement for so long and have seen so much fake bullshit and people non-stop lying about everything, that I don't trust anything I see or hear. My default mode is to be a skeptic. Especially since I have seen people destroy their own very expensive items and property to "sell" the lie. I have even seen people stab and shoot themselves to cover-up their actions.

    It's okay if you disagree with me, though.
     
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    ZYBORG Let's roll.. Premium Member Established Member

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    Your “fake video” argument just got even weaker. Lol
     
  6. ZYBORG

    ZYBORG Let's roll.. Premium Member Established Member

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    i understand that. Problem is that nothing in the video is a red flag alarming that it’s fake.
     
  7. SHOdown220

    SHOdown220 Well-Known Member Established Member

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    I can't say I agree with you here. You are soley responsible for every bullet that leaves your gun. I know where you are coming from but I believe that rule is more so aimed at someone who dies during the commission of a felony. Say bad guys rob you and you shoot and kill one of them, the partners would be charged with murder. Another instance would be bad guys rob someone at gun point and one of them gets trigger happy and kills victim, the group would all be charged with murder as opposed to just the shooter since they were all in on the felony.

    A innocent bystander not involved gets struck and killed by your bullet you are going down, maybe not for murder but manslaughter

    I could be wrong but thats the way I understand it
     
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    7998 Well-Known Member Established Member

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    That's why an AR is a brilliant home defense weapon, it doesn't over penetrate like a lot of HG rounds.
     
  9. MinGrey02Stg2

    MinGrey02Stg2 Well-Known Member Established Member

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    You don't need to agree with me, but just be informed of the law. There are several scenarios where the felony murder rule applies and a huge factor is that there is no intent element to felony murder. In a scenario where someone is burglarizing your home (which is an inherently dangerous felony), and a bullet you fire at the burglar misses and kills someone, you are not criminally responsible.

    See below:

    Solo Actor: The felony murder rule is applicable in situations where a person commits a felony alone. The common example is arson. The defendant sets fire to a building with no intention of harming anyone, yet an unintended person dies in the fire (which could include firefighters).

    Two or More Actors: Another common situation is an armed robbery where only one of the participants shoots the victim. In these cases, all of the participants in the robbery can be charged with felony murder, even though they didn't kill the victim nor were even present at the time the killing took place.

    Victim or Bystander Killing: It's also possible that felony murder applies in cases where none of the felony participants killed anyone, such as when the victim or a third-party bystander kills someone while trying to stop the robbery. Felony murder in these cases would apply if a victim, a third-party, or even one of the felony perpetrators gets killed by someone other than a felony participant.
     
  10. Equalbracket

    Equalbracket Well-Known Member Established Member

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    Oh my, he follows ASP, Mr green screen, hes lucky to be alive.
     
  11. BOOGIE MAN

    BOOGIE MAN Logic and Reason Established Member

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    I should have been more clear. You won't be held criminally responsible, but civilly. As in, hope your lawyer is better than theirs.

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  12. MinGrey02Stg2

    MinGrey02Stg2 Well-Known Member Established Member

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    I don't know where you reside, but in Florida, you are immune from civil liability when your use of force is justified.
     
  13. BOOGIE MAN

    BOOGIE MAN Logic and Reason Established Member

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    That's not what I was taught at all. I was taught you have the right to shoot the "baddie" and after that, anyone your bullet touches is on you. Immune from civil liability from the target but not anyone struck by your bullets other than the target

    In fla.

    I'm not saying you're wrong or a liar, just telling you what I was told. That's why he spent so much time on picking the right ammunition.

    "Never ever ever carry with practice rounds," because they don't break up, they go through things and bullets that go through bad guys are lawsuits. I think he said the practice rounds had like thirty some odd to forty some odd inches of penetration through ballistic gel where you "wanted" 13-18"

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  14. CobraBob

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    That's what I was just going to question. The two trigger pulls you can hear. I say AirSoft gun.
     
  15. MinGrey02Stg2

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    I understand there is a lot of information out there that is only half true, or not true at all. In Florida, you are immune from criminal AND civil liability if your use of force was justified. There is no special element where this only applies to the perpetrator not being able to sue. It extends to bystanders.

    See Fla. Stat. 776.032 - Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use or threatened use of force.—
    (1) A person who uses or threatens to use force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in such conduct and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use or threatened use of such force by the person, personal representative, or heirs of the person against whom the force was used or threatened, unless the person against whom force was used or threatened is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using or threatening to use force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

    Also, the use of hollow point defense rounds in a home, they will still penetrate multiple walls made of drywall and a 9mm hollow point will penetrate just about as far as a 5.56 round. There are numerous tests showing this on Youtube.
     
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  16. Sinister04L

    Sinister04L RIP Kane Established Member

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    In TX you are responsible for every round that leaves your gun. You are not criminally or civilly liable for the justified use of force, but hitting a bystander isn't justified.
     
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  17. BOOGIE MAN

    BOOGIE MAN Logic and Reason Established Member

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    This is the way I read the statue cited as well, but I'm no attorney/judge/lawmaker

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  18. _Snake_

    _Snake_ Well-Known Member Established Member

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    Florida is the same.
     
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    Where does it say anything about immunity from civil action from bystanders? That reads like immunity from civil action against the person you are shooting to me
     
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  20. _Snake_

    _Snake_ Well-Known Member Established Member

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    You're 100% correct. If it's determined that your use of deadly force was justified, neither the victim (if alive) nor their family can sue you. However, you are liable if any of your rounds hit someone other than your intended target.
     
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