About all those battery "breakthroughs..."

[Klaus]

It turns out chemistry and physics do not agree.

If only there was a cheap and efficient source of energy that allows for "recharging" in a moments notice.

Why All Those EV-Battery ‘Breakthroughs’ You Hear About Aren’t Breaking Through

In the superheated market for batteries, promising lab developments often get overhyped by startups. “Liar, liar, battery supplier.”

www.wsj.com

 

[Weather Man]

Amps matter.

 

[csm1320]

Ice ice baby.

 

[derklug]

Reminds me of the mythical 100mpg carburetors, sorry just not enough BTUs in a gallon of gas to push 2 tons at 55mph 100 miles.

 

[Klaus]

Reminds me of the mythical 100mpg carburetors, sorry just not enough BTUs in a gallon of gas to push 2 tons at 55mph 100 miles.

So funny. I first encountered this myth in the letters to the editor of Popular Mechanics when I was a kid. It was a conspiracy between the automakers and the oil companies dontchaknow. Even as a kid, I knew that you had to be retarded to believe this.

 

[ur bittn]

Fascinating

 

[7998]

So funny. I first encountered this myth in the letters to the editor of Popular Mechanics when I was a kid. It was a conspiracy between the automakers and the oil companies dontchaknow. Even as a kid, I knew that you had to be retarded to believe this.

The world is filled with retarded people that believe the most retarded stuff, see "Q-anon", "9/11 was done by (Insert retarded theory here) ", "democratic socialism", "Mach-e's are cool", etc

 

[Deceptive]

No matter how much proof you show people they always believe some promise of futures utopian BS trumps physical evidence. I have read about Lithium Ion battery recycling and renewable energy yet the couple hundred pounds of L-ion batteries in my storage unit that nobody, not even people claiming they recycle, will recycle them.

We are working on Solid State batteries and so far they have not worked as desired. Yet EV nut swingers swears by it.

Everyone has had issues with EVs yet, people swear that since Tesla threatens every bad report of their cars with legal action that Tesla is some miracle company.

I am all for making advancements but I do not believe we are close to being “there” with EVs.


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[Lambeau]

Reminds me of the mythical 100mpg carburetors, sorry just not enough BTUs in a gallon of gas to push 2 tons at 55mph 100 miles.

Cow magnets FTW!

 

[Relaxed Chaos]

The electrical energy required to replace the convenience of gasoline is dangerous.

Dumping 33.7 Kwh of energy into your gas tank takes about 20-25 seconds, is safe, and easy to carry in a small 1 gallon jug and in the back of your car.

Charging a battery with the same 33.7 kwh at the same rate requires mega-watt charging capabilities at the source and the ability for the battery to absorb it without melting, both being very dangerous and requiring very specialized PPE and tools. A typical car battery has low power density, holding 1.2 kwh, heavy, and very low voltage and doesn't have the potential to charge anything quickly.

If we were an electric society and then discovered oil/gas the free market would switch fuel sources to oil/gas very quickly.

 

[Cobra Jet]

Not to mention the fact that no one is looking at the big picture.

EV fires cannot be out out in the same manner as ICE.

ICE vehicles have been around now 100+ years with hardly any detrimental impact on the climate or environment. Vehicles are NOT the sole problem.

EV battery disposal isn’t the only issue - EV vehicles will be more disposable or “throw away” than ICE, therefore creating more salvage facility issues than ever seen in the past. Once manufacturer warranties expire for new EV vehicles, as well as coverage for the battery, people aren’t going to spend upwards of $5k-$10k for battery replacement…. They’ll ditch the car first and just buy another, just like your now disposable weed trimmers, tools, etc. In the trash they go, why pay $85-$125 for a replacement battery when you can buy a brand new unit with battery for same price?

EV’s don’t and won’t work in big cities… so are people going to run extension cords from apartment buildings and high rises down to the underground garages or out into the streets?

Has anyone even read the fine print and warranty for the battery system in the MOCK-E owners Manual? There’s so many disclaimers to NOT cover a battery warranty repair, it’s too damn funny….

So it’s now 2040 and the 80% of the world has converted to EV… what happens when a major catastrophic storm floods out standing EV chargers and power gets zapped for weeks on end?

You know what happens? I’ll be riding around in my ICE vehicle that fires right up and can go anywhere…

Yea - and have fun flying an EV plane… oh wait, haven’t thought of that one yet huh… like planes, trains, and ships don’t pollute the air… or the fact that to CHARGE any EV still requires the use of facilities using Dino-driven power sources…and the equipment MINING all of the shit needed to make a battery isn’t polluting the air… OR depleting the earth of precious metals and materials OR causing a detrimental impact to the land…. OR the battery recycling facilities and needed processes won’t be polluting the air.. OR the fact that other manufacturing factories aren’t emitting massive amounts of pollution into the air…

Oh and while we’re at it… farts… farts also have an impact on the climate …. it’s an exhaust emission.



EV for ICE isn’t a solution, it’s trading an existing issue for one that will be far detrimental to this planet than anything in the last 100+ years of the automobile. Not'to mention that, but the ONLY reason there’s a push for EV is Govt’s pressuring auto manufactures into it and offering them incentives… pockets being lined.

 

[Klaus]

Oh and while we’re at it… farts… farts also have an impact on the climate …. it’s an exhaust emission

You forgot about the contribution to climate change of breathing

How much does human breathing contribute to climate change?

All those billions of bodies exhaling carbon dioxide with every breath really starts to add up...

www.sciencefocus.com

 

[Cobra Jet]

You forgot about the contribution to climate change of breathing

How much does human breathing contribute to climate change?

All those billions of bodies exhaling carbon dioxide with every breath really starts to add up...

www.sciencefocus.com

Ok - and yea, that too. It is probably an even larger world wide issue for those of us who use Frank's Red Hot on their food or insert your other favorite Hot Sauce... breathing like a Dragon can be detrimental to the atmosphere too...

 

[Lambeau]

The electrical energy required to replace the convenience of gasoline is dangerous.

Dumping 33.7 Kwh of energy into your gas tank takes about 20-25 seconds, is safe, and easy to carry in a small 1 gallon jug and in the back of your car.

Charging a battery with the same 33.7 kwh at the same rate requires mega-watt charging capabilities at the source and the ability for the battery to absorb it without melting, both being very dangerous and requiring very specialized PPE and tools. A typical car battery has low power density, holding 1.2 kwh, heavy, and very low voltage and doesn't have the potential to charge anything quickly.

If we were an electric society and then discovered oil/gas the free market would switch fuel sources to oil/gas very quickly.

And this is exactly why the globalists want you EV'd.

Once the majority of travel is committed to EV's, and it brings America to a halt, the globalists will shrug their shoulders and say, "Sorry, you're ****ed, oh well".

Whenever I read, "But EV's are the way of the future", I laugh.

 

[tistan]

Not to mention the fact that no one is looking at the big picture.

EV fires cannot be out out in the same manner as ICE.

ICE vehicles have been around now 100+ years with hardly any detrimental impact on the climate or environment. Vehicles are NOT the sole problem.

EV battery disposal isn’t the only issue - EV vehicles will be more disposable or “throw away” than ICE, therefore creating more salvage facility issues than ever seen in the past. Once manufacturer warranties expire for new EV vehicles, as well as coverage for the battery, people aren’t going to spend upwards of $5k-$10k for battery replacement…. They’ll ditch the car first and just buy another, just like your now disposable weed trimmers, tools, etc. In the trash they go, why pay $85-$125 for a replacement battery when you can buy a brand new unit with battery for same price?

EV’s don’t and won’t work in big cities… so are people going to run extension cords from apartment buildings and high rises down to the underground garages or out into the streets?

Has anyone even read the fine print and warranty for the battery system in the MOCK-E owners Manual? There’s so many disclaimers to NOT cover a battery warranty repair, it’s too damn funny….

So it’s now 2040 and the 80% of the world has converted to EV… what happens when a major catastrophic storm floods out standing EV chargers and power gets zapped for weeks on end?

You know what happens? I’ll be riding around in my ICE vehicle that fires right up and can go anywhere…

Yea - and have fun flying an EV plane… oh wait, haven’t thought of that one yet huh… like planes, trains, and ships don’t pollute the air… or the fact that to CHARGE any EV still requires the use of facilities using Dino-driven power sources…and the equipment MINING all of the shit needed to make a battery isn’t polluting the air… OR depleting the earth of precious metals and materials OR causing a detrimental impact to the land…. OR the battery recycling facilities and needed processes won’t be polluting the air.. OR the fact that other manufacturing factories aren’t emitting massive amounts of pollution into the air…

Oh and while we’re at it… farts… farts also have an impact on the climate …. it’s an exhaust emission.



EV for ICE isn’t a solution, it’s trading an existing issue for one that will be far detrimental to this planet than anything in the last 100+ years of the automobile. Not'to mention that, but the ONLY reason there’s a push for EV is Govt’s pressuring auto manufactures into it and offering them incentives… pockets being lined.

 

[tistan]

I have a friend with a Nissan Leaf. The quotes for new batteries were in the $15-30k range. He decided to junk the $5k car after that. I have heard Teslas are getting up there too.

 

[Blkkbgt]

Reminds me of the mythical 100mpg carburetors, sorry just not enough BTUs in a gallon of gas to push 2 tons at 55mph 100 miles.

And THIS is why math is now racist and a mass polluter!

All we need to do is ban math and boom all our problems will be solved!

 

[4.698gt]

Not to mention the fact that no one is looking at the big picture.

EV fires cannot be out out in the same manner as ICE.

ICE vehicles have been around now 100+ years with hardly any detrimental impact on the climate or environment. Vehicles are NOT the sole problem.

EV battery disposal isn’t the only issue - EV vehicles will be more disposable or “throw away” than ICE, therefore creating more salvage facility issues than ever seen in the past. Once manufacturer warranties expire for new EV vehicles, as well as coverage for the battery, people aren’t going to spend upwards of $5k-$10k for battery replacement…. They’ll ditch the car first and just buy another, just like your now disposable weed trimmers, tools, etc. In the trash they go, why pay $85-$125 for a replacement battery when you can buy a brand new unit with battery for same price?

EV’s don’t and won’t work in big cities… so are people going to run extension cords from apartment buildings and high rises down to the underground garages or out into the streets?

Has anyone even read the fine print and warranty for the battery system in the MOCK-E owners Manual? There’s so many disclaimers to NOT cover a battery warranty repair, it’s too damn funny….

So it’s now 2040 and the 80% of the world has converted to EV… what happens when a major catastrophic storm floods out standing EV chargers and power gets zapped for weeks on end?

You know what happens? I’ll be riding around in my ICE vehicle that fires right up and can go anywhere…

Yea - and have fun flying an EV plane… oh wait, haven’t thought of that one yet huh… like planes, trains, and ships don’t pollute the air… or the fact that to CHARGE any EV still requires the use of facilities using Dino-driven power sources…and the equipment MINING all of the shit needed to make a battery isn’t polluting the air… OR depleting the earth of precious metals and materials OR causing a detrimental impact to the land…. OR the battery recycling facilities and needed processes won’t be polluting the air.. OR the fact that other manufacturing factories aren’t emitting massive amounts of pollution into the air…

Oh and while we’re at it… farts… farts also have an impact on the climate …. it’s an exhaust emission.



EV for ICE isn’t a solution, it’s trading an existing issue for one that will be far detrimental to this planet than anything in the last 100+ years of the automobile. Not'to mention that, but the ONLY reason there’s a push for EV is Govt’s pressuring auto manufactures into it and offering them incentives… pockets being lined.

EV fires are some scary stuff. Fire depts can dump a whole trucks worth of water on it, it dries out and ignites right back up. Usually have to just let them burn out on their own which I'm sure is detrimental to the air quality considering the lithium battery that is burning up. Let's not forget when it happens on the highway you could have potentially hundreds of gas engines idling waiting for the okay to drive past...

 

[Lambeau]

I built lithium batteries for 3 years. Fun stuff!

 

[lOOKnGO]

EV battery storage is a losing proposition both environmentally and in efficiency. The focus is miss directed. The focus needs to be on each vehicle being it's own ion generator. Don't laugh, it's 50 year old technology that would cripple the world's power hungry though. Just as Ben Franklin displayed electrical energy flying a kite and Tesla's countless projects. Electrical ions are around us. The coils for harnessing and directing for current aren't available YET.

As far as 100 miles a gallon on gas that's unlikely with petrol alone. We did have a local guy invent a carburetor that atomized gas and water together in the 60s that got over 50 mpg in a V8. The technology was purchased and buried. He built Summit Point Raceway with some of the proceeds. That's the folklore from many elders.

I do research the library of Congress archives for research ( talk about going down a rabbit hole) anyways found this article about the Maxwell in 1915. Very interesting Motor Week kind of story. 21 mpg on the route I'm very familiar with today is amazing.

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