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[SolarYellow]

uhh, its actually easier in my experience...give cash to guy, take gun.

Every firearm I've ever purchased took a few minutes from start to finish. Nothing was overly complicated but no where as simple and lightning fast as the left suggests. Every firearm I own (with the exception of one) were those I actually presented identification along with completing an application before I took possession. Usually the process is quick but the last two took a while with the instacheck because of numbnuts being reelected and that shooting in CT. The check system was jammed around those times. Every time the person doing the check blamed it on the left. I agreed.

 

[blk02edge]

You have shootings, murders, etc.., I am unaware of how many you have on average though. I am also unaware if the charter of your country GUARANTEES firearm ownership and I won't pretend to know. Here it is guaranteed and upheld by our Constitution no matter how much it rubs liberals the wrong way and quite frankly, I enjoy how uncomfortable it makes the liberals. People can have personal opinions on the matter but that doesn't mean one has to be ignorant of our Constitution and our laws.

Not trying to be redundant but contrary to the myth, legally obtaining a firearm is not as frequent or readily available as lets say a hot dog stand in NYC on every corner or a Dunkin' Donuts in every town USA. You don't walk into a Best Buy parking lot and have multiple people pop their trunks and ask if you want some hardware. Liberals will want you to believe such a bullshit story though. They'd have you believe the door to door salesmen who once peddled vacuum cleaners and Tupperware are now selling Ruger and Remington arms.

Look at the guy a few posts above. Alcohol is advertised 24-7 when it comes to professional sporting events as well as on commercial breaks between normal everyday television programs. Hell, the guy from Goodfellas is hawking Tequila now. That chick from Family Guy is hawking scotch. Many people die from abusing booze and beer and wine yet none of these dickheads try and raise the drinking age or make it more difficult to obtain alcohol. They only care about firearms. Piss off. That's what I say to them.

So you believe that EVERYBODY has the right to own guns? I'll use the car comparison as so many like to use, you can not own a car if you are unfit to drive it.. Same should go for guns. If that's not what you meant by the good old constitution then I am sorry as us Canadians like to say.

 

[blk02edge]

Even when i've bought from a shop, give money to them and walk out with it.

I have lots of family and friends down in the states and they all have stories about how you can walk into just about any pawn shop and buy with no lead time.

I'm seriously not trying to come across as anti gun, like I've said I love guns, own guns, would never give up my guns but I don't think the rest of the world just makes shit up about how crazy America is and how easy they are to get. I mean just go on YouTube and you'll see some retarded imbreds who have no purpose being around firearms but I guess arguing with the old constitution is a waste of anyone's breathe

 

[SonicDTR]

Brings me back to my point of saturation. When there are so many firearms that I can just go buy one from a yard sale for cash, then no amount of gun control will do any good.

Ban and start enforcing ban guns now, and in 200 years you *might* have something close to a gun-free society. IF there wasnt an outright revolt and civil war over it.


I'm not saying that should be done, simply thinking about "what-ifs".

 

[svtfocus2cobra]

Eh Canadians, you dont look all that different from us now. You have relatively high gun ownership and we all know you benefit from a smaller population and less cultural diversity.

I live in Kent which is right next to Tukwila, which happens to rank 2nd (at this moment) as most dangerous city in America. It also happens to be the most diverse city in America. And to be honest, neither place is all that bad. It's not like Compton or Watts or Tacoma for that matter. But regardless, you always carry around here because property crimes are the highest which is why they nade 2nd.

Around here the only way you walk in and pay for a gun and leave with it that day is if you have your permit. They verify it, call it in, and you get the gun 10 min later. The reason why is obvious.

 

[cbj5259]

So you believe that EVERYBODY has the right to own guns? I'll use the car comparison as so many like to use, you can not own a car if you are unfit to drive it.. Same should go for guns. If that's not what you meant by the good old constitution then I am sorry as us Canadians like to say.

The US Constitution guarantees that "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." That's pretty clear language.

As far as automobiles go...I'm not sure about Canada, but here in the states anyone can own a car...not everyone is permitted to drive it though. Someone with a revoked or suspended license can buy a car, they just aren't allowed to drive it but they can have it parked in their driveway, garage or they can have someone with a license drive them around. So your analogy doesn't work.

 

[Zemedici]

Eh Canadians, you dont look all that different from us now. You have relatively high gun ownership and we all know you benefit from a smaller population and less cultural diversity.

I live in Kent which is right next to Tukwila, which happens to rank 2nd (at this moment) as most dangerous city in America. It also happens to be the most diverse city in America. And to be honest, neither place is all that bad. It's not like Compton or Watts or Tacoma for that matter. But regardless, you always carry around here because property crimes are the highest which is why they nade 2nd.

Around here the only way you walk in and pay for a gun and leave with it that day is if you have your permit. They verify it, call it in, and you get the gun 10 min later. The reason why is obvious.

See, I understand exactly what Rubens talking about. Where I live its the contrary, I walk into an establishment (not a pawn shop or anything of the like, actual gun store), flash permit, pay for gun, leave. Most time consuming part of being in store is walking to the gun counter. Bought a few handguns this way. No calling shit in, no nothing.

 

[svtfocus2cobra]

See, I understand exactly what Rubens talking about. Where I live its the contrary, I walk into an establishment (not a pawn shop or anything of the like, actual gun store), flash permit, pay for gun, leave. Most time consuming part of being in store is walking to the gun counter. Bought a few handguns this way. No calling shit in, no nothing.

Well it may not be necessary. I assume it was to call in and register the firearm with the proper authorities, but that gets done on the paperwork anyways. But the thing is, if you have a valid permit then the background checks are already done. There is nothing holding you back.

You never know, they may be calling it in but you just dont see it.

 

[SolarYellow]

So you believe that EVERYBODY has the right to own guns? I'll use the car comparison as so many like to use, you can not own a car if you are unfit to drive it.. Same should go for guns. If that's not what you meant by the good old constitution then I am sorry as us Canadians like to say.

The US Constitution guarantees that "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." That's pretty clear language.

As far as automobiles go...I'm not sure about Canada, but here in the states anyone can own a car...not everyone is permitted to drive it though. Someone with a revoked or suspended license can buy a car, they just aren't allowed to drive it but they can have it parked in their driveway, garage or they can have someone with a license drive them around. So your analogy doesn't work.

He answered you in the exact same way I'd answer.

Your comparison about cars is as effective as you being unclear surrounding purchasing firearms here in the states. Again, he answered you clearly. I will add that driving is not a guaranteed RIGHT in our Constitution. What I do not understand is how someone can compare a right and a privilege and act as if they are one in the same and should be addressed as such. My 92 yr old grandfather couldn't see a school bus pass four feet in front of him. He wouldn't know if it was a bus or the sun. He could own a vehicle. He sure as hell can't drive though.

 

[Blown 89]

But the thing is, if you have a valid permit then the background checks are already done.

It seems quite a few people here are not understanding this.

Let's get a few things clear here. Buying and selling firearms across state lines without going through an FFL is a felony. Buying or selling firearms as a business without a license or background checks is a felony. If anyone plunked cash down on a business counter and walked off with a firearm you are a felon and so is the person that sold it to you. I've plunked down cash on a business counter and walked off with a firearm before but I also plunked down two forms of I.D., one of which was a federally issued CCW and therein lies a very important distinction.

Is it me or do anti-gunners as a whole have NO clue how the laws and regulations around firearms work? My social media is full of people saying the most ignorant crap about firearms right now. Associations like Mothers Demand Attention, Bloomberg.....hell even the POTUS and the former secretary of state haven't even bothered learning local and federal laws surrounding firearms. It's absolutely sad and pathetic and we are all going to suffer because of it.

 

[SolarYellow]

My social media has someone with a chart and on the top left is a car and the top right is a firearm. Under each one in a column they wrote what it takes to get the car or gun. To be honest I don't know if they are comparing driving or owning a car with a firearm. Either way, it's like comparing a tube of cinnamon buns with a bath tub. They just do not make sense. I'm shocked by learning how stupid people can be when I thought they were intelligent.

Screw these liberals. Contracting H.I.V. has more of a use than these morons.

 

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[Tezz500]

It seems quite a few people here are not understanding this.

Let's get a few things clear here. Buying and selling firearms across state lines without going through an FFL is a felony. Buying or selling firearms as a business without a license or background checks is a felony. If anyone plunked cash down on a business counter and walked off with a firearm you are a felon and so is the person that sold it to you. I've plunked down cash on a business counter and walked off with a firearm before but I also plunked down two forms of I.D., one of which was a federally issued CCW and therein lies a very important distinction.

Is it me or do anti-gunners as a whole have NO clue how the laws and regulations around firearms work? My social media is full of people saying the most ignorant crap about firearms right now. Associations like Mothers Demand Attention, Bloomberg.....hell even the POTUS and the former secretary of state haven't even bothered learning local and federal laws surrounding firearms. It's absolutely sad and pathetic and we are all going to suffer because of it.

They don't care about the laws. They want the guns and gun manufactures GONE. Completely. That's the agenda. Not common sense laws. We're already over legislated as it is.

 

[2KBlackGT]

I once witnessed a guy fight with a gun shop about providing 2 forms of ID and the proof of residence. His stupid GF then said "I'll buy the gun then" to which the salesman then told them to GTFO of the store.

Question about this. I want to buy a gun for a female acquaintance, I even told the guy at the gun shop my intentions and asked if she needed to provide anything for the purchase even though I'm the one buying. He said no, that once I pay for the gun and leave the store he doesn't care what I do with it. Does this sound right? I purchased a Glock on this same day for myself with no issue. All he did was make a quick phone call and asked for my ID.

 

[SolarYellow]

Question about this. I want to buy a gun for a female acquaintance, I even told the guy at the gun shop my intentions and asked if she needed to provide anything for the purchase even though I'm the one buying. He said no, that once I pay for the gun and leave the store he doesn't care what I do with it. Does this sound right? I purchased a Glock on this same day for myself with no issue. All he did was make a quick phone call and asked for my ID.

Straw Purchases are highly illegal and to me it sounds like that's what you are describing. Why not just have her go in and fill out the paperwork and you pay for it.

Of course this could be moot depending where you are buying this firearm.

 

[2KBlackGT]

Straw Purchases are highly illegal and to me it sounds like that's what you are describing. Why not just have her go in and fill out the paperwork and you pay for it.

Of course this could be moot depending where you are buying this firearm.

Did you not see where I asked the guy that works at the gun shop if she needed to fill out anything? I don't know the legality of things like this which is why it was brought up. I want to purchase this for her as a gift.

This is from a legit gun shop that even has a range attached to it.

 

[scott_0]

Question about this. I want to buy a gun for a female acquaintance, I even told the guy at the gun shop my intentions and asked if she needed to provide anything for the purchase even though I'm the one buying. He said no, that once I pay for the gun and leave the store he doesn't care what I do with it. Does this sound right? I purchased a Glock on this same day for myself with no issue. All he did was make a quick phone call and asked for my ID.

as SolarYellow said, that's a "straw purchase" and highly illegal, he doesn't care because he'll claim you two never had that conversation, but you absolutely cannot purchase a firearm in your name and give it to someone else, any reason she can't buy it herself? it's usually the other way around, the female who has a clean record buys the firearm for the male that has a record that stops him from buying any firearms

 

[2KBlackGT]

as SolarYellow said, that's a "straw purchase" and highly illegal, he doesn't care because he'll claim you two never had that conversation, but you absolutely cannot purchase a firearm in your name and give it to someone else, any reason she can't buy it herself?

I want to purchase this for her as a gift.

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[Blown 89]

Question about this. I want to buy a gun for a female acquaintance, I even told the guy at the gun shop my intentions and asked if she needed to provide anything for the purchase even though I'm the one buying. He said no, that once I pay for the gun and leave the store he doesn't care what I do with it. Does this sound right? I purchased a Glock on this same day for myself with no issue. All he did was make a quick phone call and asked for my ID.

11a on your 4473 deals with this. If you are buying the firearm and giving it to your acquaintance without accepting money (a gift) you can tick yes and buy it then give it to her. There is a section on the back of the form for this if I remember right. If you are buying it and she is paying you for it you are straw purchasing which is illegal. Keep in mind that it is illegal to give it to her if you know or have reason to believe that she is a prohibitive person.

My wife bought me the Colt 1911 I have on my belt at the moment as a wedding present. I filled out the paperwork to cover our asses. It's not like it's a hassle to do so.

 

[Blown 89]

Did you not see where I asked the guy that works at the gun shop if she needed to fill out anything?

He is wrong in telling you that. He should have asked you a few basic questions about how you planned on transferring it to you if for any other reason than to cover his ass. A dealer posts in the pics and video section in the gun porn thread. He seems very knowledgeable (power something or another), I'd verify with him if this was something you were actually doing as opposed to playing devil's advocate.