Wow, impressive.Thing is a beast. All those are stock, yes, although it’s rumored he’s been through 2 trannies.
Wow, impressive.Thing is a beast. All those are stock, yes, although it’s rumored he’s been through 2 trannies.
Pretty sure all stock and full size wheels pump gas power it went 10.02Where is that full 315 nitto run. The runs I see people talking about 9.9x stock only to find out they put different dr while still running skinnies.
Not sure, I’ll dig around on the hellcat forums later as now I’m curious.Is there a video?
There’s a long long list of cars I’d buy/have bought before the demon. Numerous rare cars that can run those times with minimal mods and do everything else exceptional with a beautiful interior to boot. I do, however, think it’s a badass car for what it is. Just not for me. For one thing, I can’t get over the tacked on fender flares. Could they not have come up with some kind of aesthetically pleasing result?I answered this in another post or thread. I said you can’t match the drag performance of the demon for under $160k.
My biggest issue is they keep harping on 9.xx with no seats race gas skinnies. Off the showroom floor in street trim it’s a hell of a car running 315 all the way around and clearing 10.5 at 130+. Awesome.
Having said that I’d buy a viper for the $100k before a demon.
No offense, as I really do like your Cobra, but you talk about track times and even what your car is capable of at the strip, but have YOU actually ever ran YOUR COBRA at the track?12-20 years from now when college kids are buying hellcats for $$$15k, you 7 second performance pushers will be responsible
20 years ago 10’s was move over, today it’s get pulled over slow.
No offense, as I really do like your Cobra, but you talk about track times and even what your car is capable of at the strip, but have YOU actually ever ran YOUR COBRA at the track?
Not everyone wants to risk track use, either for breaking parts or breaking their ego.
I however wanted to build my GT500 for street strip brawling with a manual trans, and even though people said it could go faster with an SAE 965rwhp, I drove it to the track and went 10.009@145.
I’m just sayin’, I hear a lot of guys riding Kaneda and many guys bench racing hard on what the GT500 and competitors ‘should’ run, but as usual, very few with personal experience.
Not just singling you out, just a more generalized response to many guys in this thread.
And yes, very telling to me is the guy who buys a Demon but never intends to take it to the track once, ditto GT350R owners.
-J
Amen! x1000
The drag strip (or any racy track for the matter) can absolutely be an ego buster of epic proportions.
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I live in an area that has 100k 200k 300k cars, and then 100-200k added to them. And they race them, break them, fix them and repeat.Depends where you’re at I guess. In the area I live seeing 100k + cars isn’t uncommon and those guys love their cars and coffee events taking their garage queens out.
The hell cat variants to the average joe aren’t any more or less distinguishable then the mustang or Camarro variants.
Sure you could buy a scat pack wide body and build it to be better then a demon, but it’ll likely still lack some of its drivability, and it’ll definitely lack its value as a limited run car. For some that’s not a big deal and is half the fun of a weekend project car, but more and more people as dodge is seeing it want turn key that they don’t have to bother with.
Even more people seem to have more money then they know what to do with or just like being in debt and buy any of these cars available today lol. The price is fair market value against its peers. Are we really going to sit back and say the GT500 is worth likely 100+ after adm and what not? No, but people will buy it because they want to have it and don’t want to build a GT to be faster.
ExactlyModding the car to go faster straight line is relatively easy, in some cases expensive, but can be done without significant pain.
Modding the car to turn better is usually limited. Can you make a mustang GT go like hell? Sure. Can you widen the car to accommodate larger wheels/tires? Not without significant cost and pain. To that end, THAT is where the main value in cars like the 500 and the 350 come into play. Everything else can be swapped, upgraded (blower, rear, trans, drive shafts, wheels, etc, etc) but the real pain comes from starting point limitations of the car. So I agree, whatever the 500 will be, it may be overpriced to begin with, but as a starting platform, it comes with massive brakes and a wider stance. Can you add/upgrade huge brakes on a GT? Maybe, depending on the suspension geometry and whether it will accommodate 20" wheels (11 and 11.5) remains to be seen.
I guess what I'm saying is that having been the guy who bought a GT and did a bunch of go fast work (heads, intake, blower, trans, rear, driveshaft, slicks and skinnies) all that stuff is expensive, but when I started to try to improve the handling and braking characteristics of the car, it became clear that a GT is an inferior starting platform.
I've graduated to a more complete driving experience. I started to realize there's always someone faster. You can dump all the money you want into a car and there's always someone with more. And despite the recent comments in this thread, there are THOUSANDS of guys out there who run deep 9's and 8's, probably tens of thousands. One need only go on youtube to see all the street monsters and race nuts driving everything from crazy vettes, vipers, GTR's, mustangs, camaros, LAMBOS, etc, etc, etc. The days where a "10 second car" (in cheezy Dom voice) is special are long gone. There are guys running around with 1000 hp ALL DAY LONG in cars that weigh a shit ton less than a 4500 lb Demon.
To me, THAT is why the Demon isn't a very special car. You pay $80k+ for a car that seems fast to about 90% of the car enthusiast population, but when you really dig into it, you realize there are so many guys that are completely hardcore that you're gonna get your feelings hurt the first time a guy with $40k dumped into his vette laughs at you on the interstate.
I think the Trackhawk is a much more unique and special car. You don't see SUV's that run like that everyday. Guys that run 9's are pretty common nowadays.
And for the previous comments, there are shops like Lebanon Ford that offer a 19 GT with a dealer warrantied Twin kit that are running 8's. Not 9's. 8's. WITH WARRANTY for mid $50's.
I think the whole car enthusiast segment is saturated with go fast in a straight line stuff. Which is why it's MY OPINION that the Demon is a one hit wonder that falls short. The new "different" is cars that are all around drivers and experience. Sure the whole throw you back in your seat and roll racing, stoplight jaunts is still going to be the main thing, but I think most guys grow out of that when they realize, there are STREET cars trapping 190+ easy at the Texas mile and events where TONS of guys show up with cars that embarrass stock to slightly modified Demons.
ExactlyI'm not comparing the crazy Texas 2k guys, but what I'm saying is that there's a TON of guys running around in 1000 hp+ vettes, vipers, GTRs, mustangs, camaros, etc. As I stated earlier, I have YET to be at a drag strip and see a Demon be the fastest car there. Between the old school guys and their notchbacks, trailered cars, etc and the new guys with their 1000hp monsters, there's a ton of crazy cars out there.
And still not be faster than a blower only gt, or heads cam vette.. or pretty much anything these daysSpecial because it’s a drag racer then tell people it handles too. Which is it?
Why did you buy if you weren’t going to drag it?
You just wanted to tell people you had the fastest car. Pretty nifty!
you mean, Drive it to the track. Change front tires take out seats drive it, put seats and front tires back on drive home.
You don't get it. You can't modify a car to be limited from the factory and a special piece of automotive history.
Demons are nothing special that a base model cant have for less $ and better performanceExactly. There’s something to be said for buying the car and driving to the track to run anything 9’s. Without changing anything. And this car will hold its value more so than a mass produced modified run of the mill gt mustang or scat pack etc. Just look at the equity everyone has in the their 13 GT500 vs a 13 gt at this point. That means a lot to some, including me. I for one can appreciate the rarity of the car while killing it at the track.
Why? Some ford dealers offer Warrantied TT Mustangs.. and can go low 9s fullweight..with a warranty too... I dont ****ing get it. Dodge made it pretty clear the mid 9 was one hell of a hero run. A low 10/high 9 second car with a warranty is ****ing amazing.
I live in an area that has 100k 200k 300k cars, and then 100-200k added to them. And they race them, break them, fix them and repeat.
Every demon I know of gets laughed at, from the guys with more into cars then than most of out homes, to the guys with base model vettes, porsche, ctsv, Camaros, mustang's, bmws Benz, and really anything. The demons are the laughing stock of the performance world
Exactly
Exactly
And still not be faster than a blower only gt, or heads cam vette.. or pretty much anything these days
I/we dont consider 131mph stupid fast anymoreYou still have yet to name a factory car in the under 100k bracket that comes close to the straight line performance the demon offers even at its seemingly ridiculous weight.
The buyers don’t care because the car is still stupid fast. Many of the newer cars are pigs, it’s not like everything else is weighing in at 3500 lbs and the demon is so much heavier.
From what I’m seeing the demon is 4200 lbs, the zl1 1le is 3820 the GTR 3929 the GT500 is supposed to be around 4K lbs as well so I fail to see what the demons weight is actually that big of a deal....pun intended.
Any FI car that runs 10.5/130 full weight can be stripped and modded to run a 9.99, as demons have to doI answered this in another post or thread. I said you can’t match the drag performance of the demon for under $160k.
My biggest issue is they keep harping on 9.xx with no seats race gas skinnies. Off the showroom floor in street trim it’s a hell of a car running 315 all the way around and clearing 10.5 at 130+. Awesome.
Having said that I’d buy a viper for the $100k before a demon.
No bench racing here.No offense, as I really do like your Cobra, but you talk about track times and even what your car is capable of at the strip, but have YOU actually ever ran YOUR COBRA at the track?
Not everyone wants to risk track use, either for breaking parts or breaking their ego.
I however wanted to build my GT500 for street strip brawling with a manual trans, and even though people said it could go faster with an SAE 965rwhp, I drove it to the track and went 10.009@145.
I’m just sayin’, I hear a lot of guys riding Kaneda and many guys bench racing hard on what the GT500 and competitors ‘should’ run, but as usual, very few with personal experience.
Not just singling you out, just a more generalized response to many guys in this thread.
And yes, very telling to me is the guy who buys a Demon but never intends to take it to the track once, ditto GT350R owners.
-J
As Demon owners found out, after the fact.Amen! x1000
The drag strip (or any racy track for the matter) can absolutely be an ego buster of epic proportions.
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Money aside I fail to see where running 9s is slow so we can agree to disagree.
I/we dont consider 131mph stupid fast anymore
Any FI car that runs 10.5/130 full weight can be stripped and modded to run a 9.99, as demons have to do
No bench racing here.
As Demon owners found out, after the fact.
I fail to see how over promising and under delivering is not an issue with an 80k drag car...
And let's not forget, all those 9 sec runs, are with a diff brace, as the diffs are apparently glass. And did you know, according to Dodge, running a diff brace voids the warranty.. sooo.. it's not a 9 sec warrantied car anymore.. kinda changes the whole dynamic of what cars can do what with a warranty now huh.. unless your saying take the brace off before going to the dealer... in which case, opens the flood gates to what constitutes a modified and warrantied car.
No offense, as I really do like your Cobra, but you talk about track times and even what your car is capable of at the strip, but have YOU actually ever ran YOUR COBRA at the track?
Not everyone wants to risk track use, either for breaking parts or breaking their ego.
I however wanted to build my GT500 for street strip brawling with a manual trans, and even though people said it could go faster with an SAE 965rwhp, I drove it to the track and went 10.009@145.
I’m just sayin’, I hear a lot of guys riding Kaneda and many guys bench racing hard on what the GT500 and competitors ‘should’ run, but as usual, very few with personal experience.
Not just singling you out, just a more generalized response to many guys in this thread.
And yes, very telling to me is the guy who buys a Demon but never intends to take it to the track once, ditto GT350R owners.
-J
Not all of the runs involved a diff brace more then a few were stock on the drag pack full interior and ran anywhere from 9.72-9.90
Most people don’t run that with their modded cars lol get out of here trying to claim that’s not respectable like as if every local car is running around with 1500 hp running 7s on the street nowadays or something.
You’re right I’m sure it would be a laughing stock to someone who buys a 200k car then dumps another 100k into it and that is exactly not the crowd that dodge targeted for this vehicle. As far as over promising, the car delivers, I believe the word tracking you’re looking for is they were overly aggressive with setting expectations as they didn’t leave wiggle room in the cars optimal performance. Then again it’s only people who don’t own a demon like you and I who are sitting here bantering about them. Apparently the owners all love them.
I’ve asked for examples of other stock warrantied cars the run equal for the same price point and you can’t deliver. It’s a niche car and it was a success for dodge even if you don’t like it which is obvious.
You still have yet to name a factory car in the under 100k bracket that comes close to the straight line performance the demon offers even at its seemingly ridiculous weight.
The buyers don’t care because the car is still stupid fast. Many of the newer cars are pigs, it’s not like everything else is weighing in at 3500 lbs and the demon is so much heavier.
From what I’m seeing the demon is 4200 lbs, the zl1 1le is 3820 the GTR 3929 the GT500 is supposed to be around 4K lbs as well so I fail to see what the demons weight is actually that big of a deal....pun intended.
I just did. And the reason OTHER cars are coming in heavier is vastly different from the Dodges.
The ZR1 and the new 500 are stressing the scales because they've added SERIOUS cooling capcity for hardcore extended track use. Strip off all the coolers and the MASSIVE brakes and rotors, put a "normal" sized wheel and tire on those cars (i.e. forget about turning and braking or track use) and all of a sudden those cars are back in the mid 3k lb range.
The fact that Chevy and Ford are trying to mitigate those additional lbs via lightweight materials and Dodge isn't is part of my overall point. Ford and Chevy are developing NEW and innovative products. The dodge camp is just a bunch of 30 year old technology slapped together with a big, inefficient motor that advertises high HP.
A part of me loves the unapologetic "muscle car" mentality, but Dodge takes that too far. I could get over the fact that they only make 840 CRANK HP on a 6.2 liter blown motor on RACE FUEL, but the rest of the car is a relic. I could get past the car weighing 2.5 tons IF it were a tradeoff for other performance issues (like coolers and massive brakes and the wheels to fit them, etc).
I could also get past all that if Dodge sold the Demon/Hellcat at a much lower price point (aka, you're buying a big fat car that doesn't turn or brake well and has a 30 year old motor in it making pretty sad numbers....but it's dirt cheap).
The fact that it's expensive just makes me laugh