Weak. 2/10 effort. Guess i should expect that from a lazy Canadian.
And you better check again where your shit is made. I'd bet any Ford product you own is mostly from China.
There you go again with that impressive product knowledge.
After all the hype, who here is actually buying?
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Weak. 2/10 effort. Guess i should expect that from a lazy Canadian.
And you better check again where your shit is made. I'd bet any Ford product you own is mostly from China.
There you go again with that impressive product knowledge.
When I ordered my 2013 GT500, it sticker out at $68,710
I'm sure, even a base 2020 GT500 will cost more than my 2013.
And the carbon fiber package, expect that to be very expensive. My guess would be in the low 80s. At least 10K over the base package.
The CF wing on the 2020 is a nice piece.
I know the CF wheels on the Ford GT is a 15K option.
If I were to order a 2020 gt500, the DCT is the only way to go IMO, even if they offered a 6 speed.
Yes, Yes I will. Spring '20. Non CF pack car.
topic at hand was what it sells for no? so saying its $100k, like the 350s, is retarded, if you cant reference what people paid for them (350s), which some were at or under msrp, some well over. so "$100k" guess for the majority is a stupid statement.. unless of course you can prove me wrong.
The topic is of “who is buying”. From my perspective, the answer is “maybe” with one variable ( of more) to consider.....price. Price seems to be variable for many on this thread as well. We are guessing what the MSRP is going to be. I, for one, think the MSRP will not eclipse $80K. Others think higher.
What one is willing to pay from MSRP to a dealer (ADM) is another topic. This area seems to be clearcut for me:
1.) Buying below MSRP, your probably a good negotiator and the dealership may see you as a long term customer.
2.) Buying at MSRP, you stuck to your price point and the dealership wants you business as “no hassle”.
3.) Buying with an ADM means you really want that car at any price (emotionally desperate) and the dealership knows they can sell at any price they command to take advantage of you.
I have no problem buying at or under MSRP depending on the vehicle.....the GT500 at MSRP may be fine for me. I would not consider this as stupid.
For me, buying any vehicle above MSRP is stupid. Why? Two reasons:
1.) Your purchasing a vehicle above its MSRP that depreciates in value calculated from that MSRP. This to me is just dumb. I would rather wait for someone to sell a very low mileage super clean and babied GT500 a few years later than buy with ADM.
2.) The dealership that tried to sell the vehicle to me or anyone else with an ADM just lost me as a customer....permanently. This is a dealership that just rips customers off “big- time” and does not care about you as person. Your a walking “cash cow” to the dealership, knowing your weakness, and shaft you and anyone else up the a**. Thats how I really feel about ADM’s.
Buying with an ADM is just stupid.
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The whole ADM analysis confuses me. You guys are talking about MSRP as if that is the fundamental value of the vehicle. But it is not. Since your car does not generate cash flow there is no value to it. And there is a difference between "price" and "value" BTW. Auto makers and dealers make a profit on every vehicle they sell. Are you dumb for paying more than this? No. Are you dumb for paying more to get one when demand is high? No. You do this in every other purchase that you make, how is this different?
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topic at hand yes, but the post the guy made was in reference to 100k+ for all of them, so the topic of his POST, was 100k+, and not logical, unless he has sources to back that claim up. again, 80% of the internet thought gt350 msrp would be 80+
paying above msrp is only dumb if its not within your budget. making claims like that is based soley on your own experience and capabilities. I know people that have millions of dollars in their cars. 20k on top, and still under 100k for one of these isnt a blip on the radar. i know 22yr old kids that have youtube pages and 200k cars, generating 100k/year from 3 minute videos. I know 35 yr old guys making 100k/yr that are absolute about not payin $1. over msrp.
value is determined by the consumer/ end thread
* see lamborghini's why is that car worth 500k?
Im not referring to the ability of your car to generate cash flow. This MSRP is not the fundamental value of a car either....its a suggested selling PRICE. The VALUE of your car is subjective as to what you can sell your vehicle for at any time. So, there is value in the vehicle. I bet in a few years, the value of this car will be less than the MSRP. What will the value be in 20 years?......who knows.
For me, it is stupid to pay more for than MSRP on a vehicle knowing the vehicle will depreciate. Again, I would not purchase regardless of “high demand”.
So your OK with paying $20k ( like $100k if MSRP is $80K) over the manufacturers suggested selling price of a vehicle that may be valued for selling at $75k or $70k in a few years?
When your the purchaser, you determine the value ( value can mean current value or cash flow, future value or time worth) of an item. It’s your decision to buy or walk.
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You are correct. Ultimately, the consumer determines the value.
I, for one, am that person who will not not go over the MSRP regardless of income. I’m 55 and make well above $100K per year. Thats just me!
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It will be less than its purchase price adjusted for inflation. Care to wager?
When do you buy your xmas presents? December or January? Have you ever seen a movie in a theater? You pay a demand premium for literally everything you purchase. It is just that in every other case it is implicit, in this case it is explicit.
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I still owe you a beer if we ever meet
And I agree with everything you posted, I assume MSRP base GT500 will be highest 60s lowest 70s and fully optioned CF track package in low 80s.
Have you talked to your local dealer yet?
-J
I've been lurking on this forum for years watching all of the banter while waiting for this car to finally arrive.
Am I the only one who is disappointed that there will be no convertible version?
At this point I'm out and will look for a 13/14 vert.
Am I the only one who is disappointed that there will be no convertible version?
At this point I'm out and will look for a 13/14 vert.
Who said there wouldn’t be ?
You don’t remember from model years past the coupe is usually unveiled first and the convertible a few months later ?
I'm not that connected, but I heard from two independent sources at Ford that no convertible is planned.
What are you wagering about? I indicated, just as you are indicating, the value will most likely be less in the future than the MSRP or as you state....the purchase price. And yes, when you factor in inflation, will most likely be the same result. This sounds like you want me to make an sure-bet. I’m in!
Lets answer these crazy questions you pose:
I usually buy Xmas presents in November or December because I may find the best and lowest price possible on most plentiful items. Sometimes January may have a great deal.....implicitly. Im sure the 2020 GT500 will not be massively discounted at any time especially in December or January of 2019 or 2020....explicitly. I could be wrong on a GT500 massive discount, but I would wager there will not be a massive discount.
I don’t go to movie theaters because there are plenty of movies on satellite/cable or pay-per-view to choose from and a few months later, the movie you watched in the theatre is available to watch on my 80” HD/QLED TV. Factor in the overpriced food you ate at the theatre...thats another subject. So no, I don’t pay a demand premium...... especially for everything I purchase. I research and determine what a fair price should be on many items I purchase. Groceries may have some exceptions to this.
I’m more cost conscientious than you think. Some people are like I am, others may not.
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I'm itching to see the Grabber Lime with black roof. With the Track Pak and carbon fiber package.
I'll probably fall in love. lol I already love the Twister Orange with black roof. Those would be my only 2 choices for this car.
I'll probably fall in love. lol I already love the Twister Orange with black roof. Those would be my only 2 choices for this car.
Msrp is the “fundamental value” to other facets of vehicle ownership and how they are calculated
-what banks will let you borrow
-insurance/ gap etc
-excise tax
-depreciation
-sales tax
If people are ok paying ADM so be it. A better comparison would be a ticket scalper. Face value = msrp.
Never compared to a ticket scalper....very good analogy!
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