Anyone else frustrated with Ford over the next GT500?

Bmac hasn't been away from ford long, while it's true he isn't in management, knowing exactly what' s happening step for step, I wouldn' t say he hasn't had legit info at the time or another. Anyone who puts their name on info spread before ford wants it spread is gonna lose their job quick so therefore all we have to go on is speculation until it' s finally unveiled.
Hopefully soon enough we can find out just how much has been true.

Tob said:

Bullitt spotted...

View attachment 1448861

Click to expand...

That looks good. Thanks for the pic!!

Looks somewhat like Lower Wacker Drive in Chicago. Steel column reinforcements/baseplates look very alike. A member from another forum mentioned the photo as having come from Chicago.




Makes me wonder if Ford was taking photos/videos for the upcoming Bullitt announcement back when they took photos of the '18 GT PP cars...




Or was the above shot taken in Detroit?

Tob said:

Bullitt spotted...

View attachment 1448861

Click to expand...

I hope that's not legitimate, the Bullitts are nothing but a bland looking money grab.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

THE_EVIL_TW1N said:

I hope that's not legitimate, the Bullitts are nothing but a bland looking money grab.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

Click to expand...

Bland? They’re beautiful cars and are simple in design, which is needed sometimes now days with cars looking like the new zr1 coming out.


Sent from my iPhone using the svtperformance.com mobile app

Less is more, ive always liked the look of the bullitt over their equivalent mustang gt.
The 08 variant were tested with the 5.4 n/a power plant as well. This one could give the perf pack 2 and GT350 a very tight race on track.

THE_EVIL_TW1N said:

I hope that's not legitimate...

Click to expand...

Me, too, but it looks like the real deal. I don't think I can take another round of "check out the new Bullitt torque thrust wheels I put on my S550 just like everybody else!" or "Oo! I put some torque thrust wheels on my S550 but in a different color!" trends. That happened so much with the '05 - '09 S197 that I wished Ford had never done that Bullitt, even though it was a nice car.

so still waiting for Ford to announce the next GT500....but wait here comes the bullitt(yawn). Still a Ford guy, but this is becoming ridiculous.

black99lightnin said:

so still waiting for Ford to announce the next GT500....but wait here comes the bullitt(yawn). Still a Ford guy, but this is becoming ridiculous.

Click to expand...

There have been many more sightings and rumors of the GT500 than the Bullitt. And Ford knows the GT500 is the mustang that will compete on all fronts. No worries.

ON D BIT said:

There have been many more sightings and rumors of the GT500 than the Bullitt. And Ford knows the GT500 is the mustang that will compete on all fronts. No worries.

Click to expand...

Just hoping it arrives before my social security kicks in.

black99lightnin said:

Just hoping it arrives before my social security kicks in.

Click to expand...

So your 62nd birthday is coming up soon? Happy Birthday.

Dodge will have a Helldemon out before the next GT500. 7.0 v12 twin turbo.

black99lightnin said:

Dodge will have a Helldemon out before the next GT500. 7.0 v12 twin turbo.

Click to expand...

Of course it’s easy just to add more power. Whipple and Kenne Bell do it all the time.

Unfortunately Ford is taking a little more time with the GT350 and GT500
6/10 - 8/12 13 GT500 2+ years
8/12 - 10/15 15/16 GT350 3+ years
10/15 - 8/18(hopefully) a little under 3 years.

Speaking of adding power, does anybody here follow Whipple's Instagram? They posted up a video yesterday of a GT350R with a Gen 2 (not Gen 3) 2.9 putting down 1,002WHP on the dyno. Revved it out to 8300. The thing was just nasty. Judging solely from how it sounded, that thing will be deadly on the street.

ON D BIT said:

Of course it’s easy just to add more power. Whipple and Kenne Bell do it all the time.

Unfortunately Ford is taking a little more time with the GT350 and GT500
6/10 - 8/12 13 GT500 2+ years
8/12 - 10/15 15/16 GT350 3+ years
10/15 - 8/18(hopefully) a little under 3 years.

Click to expand...

Kenne Bell and Whipple don't have to worry about a customer blowing-up their engine using their product and are in the business of selling superchargers. Ford has to honor a Warrantee and were having a hard time qualifying their current crop of V8 for FI which is why there is a good chance we will not see a GT500 that can compete with Chrysler and GM. Ford is putting all their development resources into electric and autonomous vehicles which is where the money is and where the industry is headed (GM is doing the same). From a marketing perspective dumping may millions of dollars to develop and support just a few thousand GT500's that few will be able to afford doesn't make any sense other than to the few who want one and will not help sell hybrid cars.

Right now the only place the 20XX GT500 exist is in people minds meanwhile all we are hearing out of Ford are crickets! Rumors of a Bullitt are a joke, it's just an attempt to boost sales on what's likely to be a Mustang GT painted green with badges. My understanding is Ford has stopped all development of V8 engines, something tells me when the S650 is released all models will be hybrid using ecoboost engines and multi-speed slushbox transmission which will bolster Fords image as an eco-friendly car company for the changing demographic of car buyers.

I have mixed feeling about the crop of new cars with their level of sophistication which are increasingly "hands-off" with regard to engine mods. A friend of mine reflashed the ECU on his motorcycle and was astounded to find the computer reverted back to it's original tune which would effectively smother any attempt to mod. All Ford engines now employ linerless blocks which will discourage modding even further. The industry is going through a transformation, in 10 years cars will be quite different than what we are accustom to. Hold onto your Terminators and GT500's boys they are among the last of a breed.

ok @SlowSVT i gotta know what brand bike did that?! crazy

i'm just here to read the guessing, i won't be able to afford the ADM on this puppy if it ever does arrive

In the video with the powertrain manager they said there was "probably" going to be a 5.0 with an electric motor in the future.

The no V8 development is kinda BS.

jvandy50 said:

ok @SlowSVT i gotta know what brand bike did that?! crazy

i'm just here to read the guessing, i won't be able to afford the ADM on this puppy if it ever does arrive

Click to expand...

I believe it was on a KTM but I don't know for sure we were discussing lots of stuff and may have missed exactly what bike he was referring to. I would not be surprised if Ford incorporated this feature on the newer performance cars it's easy to do and will spare them the expense having to fix something an overzealous owner caused.

Ford got burned pretty badly with warrantee repairs in the early days of their supercharged engine offerings. Guys would mod the hell out of the engine then blow it up. They brought it back to stock and re-flashed the ECU with the factory tune and brought it in for the warrantee repairs. Any dealer who was keen on this would look the engine over especially the blower pulley bolt and the mounting bolts, any tool marks on the fasteners was a big red flag. I think they could also see if the ECU was re-flashed but those systems were not as sophisticated as they are now and was easier to get away with.

AustinJ427 said:

In the video with the powertrain manager they said there was "probably" going to be a 5.0 with an electric motor in the future.

The no V8 development is kinda BS.

Click to expand...

That powertrain manager was deliberately being rather vague in that assessment. To be honest I'm not sure why Ford would put an electric motor behind a V8 especially in a performance car it would complicate packaging a large V8 along with the motor, batteries and gas tank making for a very heavy car. Makes a lot more sense using a smaller 4 cylinder charge motor and using high output electric motors in a 4WD configuration would make that car launch faster than a greased rabbit out of a Teflon hat.

I think the days of the V8 use in passengers cars at Ford are numbered. The fact they have equipped the Mustang with a 2.3 liter 4 is very telling. The S650 will change everything. Kalifornia is trying to pass legislation outlawing internal combustion engines by 2040 along with France and China. No car company wants to be caught napping when that happens. Only time will tell but the trend is not our friend.

SlowSVT said:

That powertrain manager was deliberately being rather vague in that assessment. To be honest I'm not sure why Ford would put an electric motor behind a V8 especially in a performance car it would complicate packaging a large V8 along with the motor, batteries and gas tank making for a very heavy car. Makes a lot more sense using a smaller 4 cylinder charge motor and using high output electric motors in a 4WD configuration would make that car launch faster than a greased rabbit out of a Teflon hat.

I think the days of the V8 use in passengers cars at Ford are numbered. The fact they have equipped the Mustang with a 2.3 liter 4 is very telling. The S650 will change everything. Kalifornia is trying to pass legislation outlawing internal combustion engines by 2040 along with France and China. No car company wants to be caught napping when that happens. Only time will tell but the trend is not our friend.

Click to expand...

Of course they are vague, we are talking about a car that's 5 years out.

The tech keeps improving and weights keep dropping off of components like that. The difference in weight between the P1 and the 675LT is around 400lbs. Ford is pushing towards composite cars. You could feasibly get a Mustang down 400lbs from it's current weight with composite and aluminum. Not to mention by the time the hybrid Mustang rolls out, that tech in the P1 will be 7 years old at least. Tech increases fast when companies invest in them, especially when it comes to these astronomical dollar amounts.

Also, the reason I know the V8 isn't dead is because they just put a ton of money into the current 5.0 and are building a 7L for the trucks.

And another food for thought is the P1 makes like 175hp on it's electric motor, a Mustang won't need that much motor with an engine already making 460. Smaller motors, smaller batteries, smaller weights.

I highly doubt the S650 comes without a V8, but who knows, that might be the last one. The next Mustang is probably going to be the stepping stone car.

AustinJ427 said:

Of course they are vague, we are talking about a car that's 5 years out.

The tech keeps improving and weights keep dropping off of components like that. The difference in weight between the P1 and the 675LT is around 400lbs. Ford is pushing towards composite cars. You could feasibly get a Mustang down 400lbs from it's current weight with composite and aluminum. Not to mention by the time the hybrid Mustang rolls out, that tech in the P1 will be 7 years old at least. Tech increases fast when companies invest in them, especially when it comes to these astronomical dollar amounts.

Also, the reason I know the V8 isn't dead is because they just put a ton of money into the current 5.0 and are building a 7L for the trucks.

And another food for thought is the P1 makes like 175hp on it's electric motor, a Mustang won't need that much motor with an engine already making 460. Smaller motors, smaller batteries, smaller weights.

I highly doubt the S650 comes without a V8, but who knows, that might be the last one. The next Mustang is probably going to be the stepping stone car.

Click to expand...

At this stage I think Ford is going to run the clock out on the Coyote and the Voodoo engine which will be replaced by a hybrid system. The production numbers on the Mustang have been declining with only 74K cars being built in the 2017 model year compared to nearly 200K units in 2004. I don't think the bean counters at Ford will allow big investment in engines sold in cars with such low production volume and most likely at a loss. On the other hand it won't take much investment equipping the car with a stump pulling electric motor which are much easier to develop, produce and makes for great PR with the environmentalist including the one sitting in the corner office at Ford.

Time will tell but my gut tells me this is where we are headed not what you or I wish for. Besides, millennials love electric vehicles as much as their iPhones