Lakers vs. Celtics

[svtsmo]

I have no issues with you and understand your point of view. I watched the same game you did. However, there were fouls that were not called on the Celtics that were fouls. Kobe did that same swing through on Ray Allen earlier. Contact was made by Allen and no call was made. Gasol went up for a shot and both Sheed and Kevin mugged him and no call was made. Sheed hooked Kobe while Kobe was driving the lane and instead of a foul the ball was called out of bounds on the Celtics.

I do agree with you that some controversial calls were made, but in the end it was balanced between the calls and no calls.

As to your MVP question it is the MVP of the finals, not the MVP of one game. Kobe did more throughout the finals than Artest or Gasol. Now, if the MVP was given for game 7 then your questioning makes sense.

I have read the majority of your posts in this thread and I'm not here to change your mind or point of view. I'm just providing you my point of view based on your comments. Your argument makes sense if you just look at the numbers 37-17, but those of us who watched the game know how those numbers came to be and it was not because the refs decided to call everything against Boston and let LA do whatever they wanted. Step back and look at what Boston did or failed to do and you will realize Boston had a chance to win and did not.

Do you have the same explanation for the 08 finals results? I mean Boston came back from a 24 point deficit in one game and beat LA by 39 in another to win the championship. Was it because the refs gave Boston that series? If so, I guess both teams are even now. If not then maybe LA played poorly in 08 and Boston played poorly last night. Just a thought.

fair points. most of this is based on the emotions of losing the game. unfortunetly there are always bad calls for both sides. what matters is their timing. the officiating suddenly changed in the end of the 3rd and it went to an officiating that helped fascilitate la's run. unfortunetly the numbers dont lie. the game was even until the style of officiating changed. i cant talk about what calls were made back in game 4 in 08, but what i will say is that game took place in la, not Boston. but in that game freethrows were almost even at 28 for Boston and 29 for la.

i'm sorry, but kobe was not as big a factor last night and they really only won due to artest's play. and if just one game isn't enough, gasol was the real key to them winning the series. the NBA clearly had kobe's name on that trophy before the series even started

 

[svtsmo]

LAKE SHOW!!!

So in the end the better team DID WIN. The Lakers finally showed the intensity, desire, and drive that they needed to beat a tough team like the Celtics.

They were already the better team, they just needed to come out and play like it. They sure did show it in game 6 and finally in game 7.


LAKE SHOW!!!!!!!!

congrats. yes the lakers proved to be the better team

 

[TripleBlack]

congrats. yes the lakers proved to be the better team

Thank you. :beer:

I believe this was the toughest series for this decade's Laker team. The Celtic's really made them earn it. I don't think any current Laker player played this tough to win any other game or series.

 

[ModMike1572]

Wow, talk about a sore loser svtsmo. Not even anyone from Boston agrees with you.

I'm not a fan of either team btw, but I watched the entire game. The Celtics came out with intensity in the first half, but then gassed out in the second half. It wasnt the refs fault that Ray Allen and company were throwing up bricks in the fourth quarter. The Lakers showed they wanted the game more. Look at the rebounding, the Lakers were all over the boards. When it came down to crunch time, the Celtics fell apart. Too bad.

All that talking about who the better TEAM is. It was clearly the Lakers, and home court advantage came up huge in this series.

 

[02ponyboy]

In the lakers defense i'll tell what happend with these so called bad calls of yours... If you were able to see the reply when Gasol traveled you should have been able to see the reply of the rest which showed they were obvious fouls...

btw youre saying the officials started calling the game against the Celtics toward the end of the 4th quarter... okay so whats the excuse for the Celtics having an 11 point lead in the middle of the 3rd quarter that got cut down to a 2 point lead at the very start of the 4th????
And the reason the lakers shot more free throws at the end of the game is becuase they were getting to the basket and drawing the fouls, unlike the Celtics who started shooting jump shots...

kobe lunging into Ray Allen who was a good 3 feet away while behind the arc and drawing a bullshit foul - if youre referring to the 3 Kobe got fouled on at the baseline, you might want to look at that shit again... Ray Allen has not given Kobe 3 feet of space all series long! if you actually even saw what happened you'll see on the reply Allen was practically chest to chest with Kobe and when Kobe went up for the shot Ray's right arm got caught in the wrong place and it held Kobe's left arm from going up clean for the shot...
gasol flailing the ball straight in the air while Garnett has his arms tucked in and getting called for a foul - If you look at this freaking play again Garnett obviously fouled Gasol why the hell else would Gasol just throw the ball up 20 feet in the air in a tight game for no reason but to gamble and hope the refs call a foul? Garnett didnt even try arguing the call or show any expression after the call cause he knew it was an obvious foul, take a look at the damn reply! Gasol was gona go up for the shot when he saw Garnett was already jumping towards and but Garnett wasnt able to slow himself down in time and his body hit the arm of Gasol which caused him to lose the ball...
kobe lunging his body into a vertical KG as he drives to the basket - This play could have gone either way it was just a good job of KObe going in and drawing foul (Paul Pierce did the same shit!)...
gasol going straight up with the ball, coming back down without releasing and not being called for the travel. - This play was way to close for any damn human to be able to see and call in live action... when they showed the reply in slow motion and paused it (yes it obviously was a travel) yes you can see it was a travel but theres no way in hell you can expect the refs to make that kind of call when watching it at a fast pace...


dont sit here and say "well gee, the lakers just SUDDENLY started playing more aggresive after 3 quarters of laid back play". is that really what your going to cling to? not the fact that they knew the officials were calling a different game and could get calls doing whatever they wanted. your telling me that these refs basically let them have rugby scrums for 3 quarters, but suddenly tighten up right at the same time la makes their run, and thats normal to you?

 

[svtsmo]

Wow, talk about a sore loser svtsmo. Not even anyone from Boston agrees with you.

I'm not a fan of either team btw, but I watched the entire game. The Celtics came out with intensity in the first half, but then gassed out in the second half. It wasnt the refs fault that Ray Allen and company were throwing up bricks in the fourth quarter. The Lakers showed they wanted the game more. Look at the rebounding, the Lakers were all over the boards. When it came down to crunch time, the Celtics fell apart. Too bad.

All that talking about who the better TEAM is. It was clearly the Lakers, and home court advantage came up huge in this series.

you should really stick to the mlb thread, this really isnt you scene. i'm not being a sore loser, i'm just pointing out the abnormalities and discrepencies. certain things seemed to change suddenly and favor one team and one team's style of play. thats all i'm saying. considering the nba's past and reputation, you really shouldn't swallow everything whole.

 

[svtsmo]

In the lakers defense i'll tell what happend with these so called bad calls of yours... If you were able to see the reply when Gasol traveled you should have been able to see the reply of the rest which showed they were obvious fouls...

btw youre saying the officials started calling the game against the Celtics toward the end of the 4th quarter... okay so whats the excuse for the Celtics having an 11 point lead in the middle of the 3rd quarter that got cut down to a 2 point lead at the very start of the 4th????
And the reason the lakers shot more free throws at the end of the game is becuase they were getting to the basket and drawing the fouls, unlike the Celtics who started shooting jump shots...

i'm just pointing out the obvious. you can disagree with me if you want. your wrong, but thats why your allowed to have an opinion

 

[ModMike1572]

you should really stick to the mlb thread, this really isnt you scene.

I should stick to the mlb thread? Haha. I can post wherever the hell I want.

certain things seemed to change suddenly and favor one team and one team's style of play.

LOL. The only thing that "changed" was the score when the Celtics blew that lead. At that point you started getting frustrated and blaming the refs. You cant handle the fact that the better team won. We call this being a sore loser.

 

[svtsmo]

I should stick to the mlb thread? Haha. I can post wherever the hell I want.



LOL. The only thing that "changed" was the score when the Celtics blew that lead. At that point you started getting frustrated and blaming the refs. You cant handle the fact that the better team won. We call this being a sore loser.

i just point out the obvious man. sometimes the truth hurts. i cant help being right.

 

[Coiled03]

2001, 2003, 2004, 2004, 2007, 2008. hows philly, the city your not from doing?


ok, i'll lay this out for the blind kobe fans. no there is no rule that foul shots have to be equal, if that were true, kobe wouldnt have any rings. the refs were calling a completely fair game up until it was obvious that la was not going to mount a comeback on their own. just a few instances that come to mind:

kobe lunging into Ray Allen who was a good 3 feet away while behind the arc and drawing a bullshit foul
gasol flailing the ball straight in the air while Garnett has his arms tucked in and getting called for a foul
kobe lunging his body into a vertical KG as he drives to the basket
gasol going straight up with the ball, coming back down without releasing and not being called for the travel.


dont sit here and say "well gee, the lakers just SUDDENLY started playing more aggresive after 3 quarters of laid back play". is that really what your going to cling to? not the fact that they knew the officials were calling a different game and could get calls doing whatever they wanted. your telling me that these refs basically let them have rugby scrums for 3 quarters, but suddenly tighten up right at the same time la makes their run, and thats normal to you?

37-17. the lakers scored 15+ points from the freethrow line in one ****ing quarter. ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME? YOU LAKER FAIRIES ARE REALLY GOING TO PRETEND LIKE THATS NORMAL? no team can hold a lead when a team gets 15 points without taking time off the clock.

the lakers scored 19 points in the final 6 minutes. THEY SCORED 12 OF THEM FROM THE FREETHROW LINE!! 12 of 14 compaired to the Celtics 2-2. EXPLAIN THAT BULLSHIT
like i said, unfortunetly, the lakers weren't going to win that on their own, its pretty sad that they had to alter the outcome to get what they wanted. want proof? answer me why gasol or artest didnt win the mvp?


regardless, congrats la on your 10th championship

If you knew a g-damn thing about b-ball you'd know that players change tactics during the game. They weren't hitting jump shots most of the game...neither team was. If you can't hit a J, you take it to the rim, and either make a layup, or get a foul call. The Lakers took the initiative to do this, while the Cetics continued to jack up 3s, and jumpshots. Jesus Christ, you're an idiot!!

Now, answer this question, and think really hard before you do....I know, that's difficult for you, sorry.

Isn't this game eerily similar to game 7 of the 2008 finals? What happened in that game? By your logic, the refs handed the Celtics the game because the FT discrepancy was so large it was ridiculous. A person with half an ounce of knowledge of the game knows that was really happened is Boston was the more physical team in the 4th quarter, and earned it.

So tell me, are you going to say the refs handed the Celtics that game so you can cling to your pathetic argument about this one? Or can you see through your nut swinging homerism, and admit the Lakers earned this?!

 

[svtsmo]

If you knew a g-damn thing about b-ball you'd know that players change tactics during the game. They weren't hitting jump shots most of the game...neither team was. If you can't hit a J, you take it to the rim, and either make a layup, or get a foul call. The Lakers took the initiative to do this, while the Cetics continued to jack up 3s, and jumpshots. Jesus Christ, you're an idiot!!

Now, answer this question, and think really hard before you do....I know, that's difficult for you, sorry.

Isn't this game eerily similar to game 7 of the 2008 finals? What happened in that game? By your logic, the refs handed the Celtics the game because the FT discrepancy was so large it was ridiculous. A person with half an ounce of knowledge of the game knows that was really happened is Boston was the more physical team in the 4th quarter, and earned it.

So tell me, are you going to say the refs handed the Celtics that game so you can cling to your pathetic argument about this one? Or can you see through your nut swinging homerism, and admit the Lakers earned this?!

you know what, your right, i cant answer about what happened in game 7 of 08. tell you what, as soon as you can find out that stats for that game, you let me know.

dont sit there and tell me idk anything about the game when you cant even remember how many games in went to in 08. and just to shut down your stupid laker logic before it gets going:

game 6 08-lakers 38 freethrows to Boston's 37....suck it

the lakers earned it sure, but they had help. i cant help it if its the truth, im sorry, i know it hurts, but its what happened

 

[Black Gold 380R]

fair points. most of this is based on the emotions of losing the game. unfortunetly there are always bad calls for both sides. what matters is their timing. the officiating suddenly changed in the end of the 3rd and it went to an officiating that helped fascilitate la's run. unfortunetly the numbers dont lie. the game was even until the style of officiating changed. i cant talk about what calls were made back in game 4 in 08, but what i will say is that game took place in la, not Boston. but in that game freethrows were almost even at 28 for Boston and 29 for la.

i'm sorry, but kobe was not as big a factor last night and they really only won due to artest's play. and if just one game isn't enough, gasol was the real key to them winning the series. the NBA clearly had kobe's name on that trophy before the series even started

As far as game 4 in 08 I will agree with you, but what about the 39 point thrashing in Boston? I would have to go back and look at statistics, but in the end I attribute LA's 08 loss due to their overall poor play. I do not think either team played poorly overall in this series. I just think one team was able to execute better than the other.

I also agree with you on the point about Kobe for last night’s game. I was VERY upset with his play as a fan. From his poor shooting, to him playing too far off Rondo defensively, to him jumping in the air and making bad passes. However, in a move that surprised me, Phill commented on air that Kobe was trying to do too much and at the beginning of the 4th QTR Phill benched Kobe. Now that surprised me and gave me an even greater respect for Phill. Kobe was put back in and he adjusted. He made shots and started to drive to the basket. You are correct about Artest. I do not like Artest and feel he hindered the Lakers offensively all year, but he showed up when it counted.

All great players need a great supporting cast. Michael Jordan did not win his 6 championships by himself yet he was voted the MVP all 6 times. Kobe has won 5 championships now. Of those 5 he has only been voted MVP twice including last night. So, I'm not sure how cemented his name was on the trophy prior to it being presented.

You make a good argument, but in the end a championship is not won by one game. The Celtics were leading by 13 in the 3rd QTR. If the refs changed the way they were calling the game it was up to Boston and LA to adjust. Also, Rondo hit a 3 to bring the Celtics within 2 with a few seconds left. So, Boston had their chances and just like LA did not capitalize on their chances in 08, Boston did not capitalize last night. I know it sucks to lose. Hell LA has been to the finals way more than Boston, but Boston has more championships. So, we Lakers fans have experienced more finals losses than we care to remember. Sometimes it is just your time and for once it was not Boston’s turn...........

 

[Black Gold 380R]

you know what, your right, i cant answer about what happened in game 7 of 08. tell you what, as soon as you can find out that stats for that game, you let me know.

LMAO!!! Now that is funny.......

 

[svtsmo]

As far as game 4 in 08 I will agree with you, but what about the 39 point thrashing in Boston? I would have to go back and look at statistics, but in the end I attribute LA's 08 loss due to their overall poor play. I do not think either team played poorly overall in this series. I just think one team was able to execute better than the other.

I also agree with you on the point about Kobe for last night’s game. I was VERY upset with his play as a fan. From his poor shooting, to him playing too far off Rondo defensively, to him jumping in the air and making bad passes. However, in a move that surprised me, Phill commented on air that Kobe was trying to do too much and at the beginning of the 4th QTR Phill benched Kobe. Now that surprised me and gave me an even greater respect for Phill. Kobe was put back in and he adjusted. He made shots and started to drive to the basket. You are correct about Artest. I do not like Artest and feel he hindered the Lakers offensively all year, but he showed up when it counted.

All great players need a great supporting cast. Michael Jordan did not win his 6 championships by himself yet he was voted the MVP all 6 times. Kobe has won 5 championships now. Of those 5 he has only been voted MVP twice including last night. So, I'm not sure how cemented his name was on the trophy prior to it being presented.

You make a good argument, but in the end a championship is not won by one game. The Celtics were leading by 13 in the 3rd QTR. If the refs changed the way they were calling the game it was up to Boston and LA to adjust. Also, Rondo hit a 3 to bring the Celtics within 2 with a few seconds left. So, Boston had their chances and just like LA did not capitalize on their chances in 08, Boston did not capitalize last night. I know it sucks to lose. Hell LA has been to the finals way more than Boston, but Boston has more championships. So, we Lakers fans have experienced more finals losses than we care to remember. Sometimes it is just your time and for once it was not Boston’s turn...........

yea, like i said most of the posts are out of anger/spite for losing lol. but on the artest thing. OMG what was he on during those post game interviews? that has to be some of the funniest live tv i have ever seen. he didnt answer any of the questions he was asked, i was laughing my ass off

 

[Black Gold 380R]

yea, like i said most of the posts are out of anger/spite for losing lol. but on the artest thing. OMG what was he on during those post game interviews? that has to be some of the funniest live tv i have ever seen. he didnt answer any of the questions he was asked, i was laughing my ass off

Yea, that dude is out there. Had to thank his doctor and psychiatrist, first time I ever heard that after a finals win LOL!!! As a Lakers fan I am glad he did his part last night, but in the grand scheme of things I do not like him on the team because he shoots and misses too many three's for my liking and he does not use his strength to drive inside. Every good thing he does on defense he negates by screwing up on offense. However, he proved last night that if he goes inside and gets fouled he is pretty good at making free throws.

It looks like the coaching staff had the same issues I have with Artest as he played better towards the end of the season and turned down a couple three's he would normally not think twice about throwing up.

I think because he listened to his teammates and coaching staff he was able to have the game he had last night, but in the end he attributed his success to his psychiatrist :rolling:

 

[svtsmo]

Yea, that dude is out there. Had to thank his doctor and psychiatrist, first time I ever heard that after a finals win LOL!!! As a Lakers fan I am glad he did his part last night, but in the grand scheme of things I do not like him on the team because he shoots and misses too many three's for my liking and he does not use his strength to drive inside. Every good thing he does on defense he negates by screwing up on offense. However, he proved last night that if he goes inside and gets fouled he is pretty good at making free throws.

It looks like the coaching staff had the same issues I have with Artest as he played better towards the end of the season and turned down a couple three's he would normally not think twice about throwing up.

I think because he listened to his teammates and coaching staff he was able to have the game he had last night, but in the end he attributed his success to his psychiatrist :rolling:

ACKNOWLEDGE ME PLEASE!!! haha. that was unbelievably funny

 

[JYOO]

That was a sweet game 7. Go home Celtrics, there is nothing for you here in LA, that includes you Paula, quit trying to claim youre an LA guy, youre the only one who thinks so! I did not know K Perkins was such a difference maker, with him in I know for a fact Lakers would NOT have grabbed so many off boards and KOBE would NOT have had a ridiculous 15 boards! I used to really like KG so its a sad day to see him go by Gasol on a nice move but not be able to dunk on the move instead go for a layup with the wrong hand and get it blocked from behind...that almost brought a tear to my eye except he was wearing a gay ass jersey...sorry. Its also sad when KG can only grab 3 rebounds in 38 minutes, wow and Ray cant make even close to half his threes. Yeah the refs did that. Ah well Im happy with the result...Lake Show REPEAT, time for another 3 peat.

 

[JYOO]

cleveland or boston, cleveland or boston, glad we playin boston put their ass in a coffin. hahahaha Lakers vs Celtics game 7 victory does not get much better, one more ring to tie the all time record.

 

[Kobra Khan]

That was a very good game 7. After the game I was thinking to myself, perhaps this year LA will show some class this year and not blow up any cars or riot. I should have known better than to give them the benefit of the doubt. :lol1:

Jubilant celebration over Lakers' win turns rowdy - Yahoo! News

 

[BreBar21]

I find it beyond laughable that Boston fans are complaining about officiating.