DO you have any links on where we can find lap times?
Ford GT Disappointing Finish at 12 Hours of Sebring
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IMSA final race result doesn't have any lap times on it but if I recall the 488 had the fastest overall lap at about 1:22.7, the winning GT was 1:23.00, and then everyone else was about 1:23.2 and up.
Yepper, at this BOP level the Ferraris are fast. Sadly, this whole BoP deal is a strategy in its self in any GT series these days. Does the Ford GT actually have a fuel efficiency advantage they can tap at Le Mans. Seemed like it based on Westie's win despite foregoing a "splash". I suspect after Le Mans - you know... after the Ford GT takes the podium - the gloves will come off across the field for the remainder the season. No more bagging.
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You called it right, I'm afraid...at least up to qualifying at Spa so far. FGTs are lagging back. Hopefully, it's a faint....but we shall see tomorrow. Damn, that BoP. I wonder if there is a hidden conspiracy to ensure the FGT won't take Le Mans...at least on the 50th anniversary of its dominance at the race.
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http://www.racer.com/wec-le-mans/item/129234-wec-no-66-ford-gt-in-hard-crash-at-spa
The 66 car had a pretty big shunt at the top of Eau Rouge, looks and sounds like besides some bruising, the driver is ok. That was a hard hit into the tyre barrier that left the car back on the circuit. The 67 car took 2nd in class.
I absolutely love the Spa circuit. They showed a lap around it in Mark Webber's car that was just incredible.
The 66 car had a pretty big shunt at the top of Eau Rouge, looks and sounds like besides some bruising, the driver is ok. That was a hard hit into the tyre barrier that left the car back on the circuit. The 67 car took 2nd in class.
I absolutely love the Spa circuit. They showed a lap around it in Mark Webber's car that was just incredible.
I didn't actually see why he lost it. Any word? Spa is one of nicest circuits anywhere. Great vistas, elevation changes and first rate layout. Considering how crazy this race was Le Mans will be a very interesting race this year. So much breakage in 6 hours...now quadruple it. Can't wait.
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Blown tire is the initial diagnosis.
Today was absolutely crazy. We're so used to watching everyone run flawless the last several years and LMP1 was a total nightmare today. Just crazy. I don't expect a repeat at Le Mans.
If nothing else today proved how ridiculously favored the Ferraris are. They had a lap on the field amongst the cars that avoided incident. Consistently ran 1.5-2.5 seconds a lap faster, and at times busted off laps 3-4 seconds a lap faster. It's a joke.
Ford GT is the lightest production car, but gets made the heaviest GTE car in WEC. Ford GT has the least cylinders and displacement, but has the lowest boost pressure ceiling. Hard to explain the incentive to engineer a better base to work from to the casual fan.
I expect major, major bitching pre-Le Mans to fix this. But no matter, awesome to manage a P2 out of that circumstance.
Today was absolutely crazy. We're so used to watching everyone run flawless the last several years and LMP1 was a total nightmare today. Just crazy. I don't expect a repeat at Le Mans.
If nothing else today proved how ridiculously favored the Ferraris are. They had a lap on the field amongst the cars that avoided incident. Consistently ran 1.5-2.5 seconds a lap faster, and at times busted off laps 3-4 seconds a lap faster. It's a joke.
Ford GT is the lightest production car, but gets made the heaviest GTE car in WEC. Ford GT has the least cylinders and displacement, but has the lowest boost pressure ceiling. Hard to explain the incentive to engineer a better base to work from to the casual fan.
I expect major, major bitching pre-Le Mans to fix this. But no matter, awesome to manage a P2 out of that circumstance.
Mucke's crash could have been a lot worse without the wide runoffs. Remember the Allan Simonson fatal crash at Tetre Rouge during Le Mans 2013. Similar situation...a hard off approaching the apex. Simonson had a tree. Mucke had a runoff and tires. Lucky for Mucke. Considering the 66's recent pit visit...something might of gone wrong then...something that cut the tire?
The Ferraris, and it appears the Astons, need to be reined in before Le Mans. The forces of power politics will be working overtime between now and Le Mans. I am wondering if the BoP will remain against the Ford GT because they are viewed as coming late to the party while Ferrari (and Corvette) have been in it forever. Kinda like..."Who the Hell does Ford think it is?" 50th anniversary be damned. You just never know. Ford is there in 4orce so they should be able to make this work. It is going to be fun to watch to see how this plays out.
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The Ferraris, and it appears the Astons, need to be reined in before Le Mans. The forces of power politics will be working overtime between now and Le Mans. I am wondering if the BoP will remain against the Ford GT because they are viewed as coming late to the party while Ferrari (and Corvette) have been in it forever. Kinda like..."Who the Hell does Ford think it is?" 50th anniversary be damned. You just never know. Ford is there in 4orce so they should be able to make this work. It is going to be fun to watch to see how this plays out.
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It's really just the Ferraris, although it's hard to say since Corvette doesn't field a WEC team. If Corvette wins, it's because P&M is super polished and knows exactly the strategy required for LM.
My understanding of the situation is that the FIA is completely unmoved by the difference in BoP between WTSC and WEC. They don't even want to hear about IMSA, despite the fact the current WEC BoP is obviously wildly out of whack.
Raj and GHC have already done some public lobbying, but apparently BoP adjustments will be made all the way past the LM test dates. Way too much politics for my taste, and very hard to say what the end result will be. I can live with the 45 lbs, but the power differential right now is just dumb. I was talking to some race team people on Thursday and they said flat out "oh yeah, we have zero chance to win on Saturday." What a sport.
My understanding of the situation is that the FIA is completely unmoved by the difference in BoP between WTSC and WEC. They don't even want to hear about IMSA, despite the fact the current WEC BoP is obviously wildly out of whack.
Raj and GHC have already done some public lobbying, but apparently BoP adjustments will be made all the way past the LM test dates. Way too much politics for my taste, and very hard to say what the end result will be. I can live with the 45 lbs, but the power differential right now is just dumb. I was talking to some race team people on Thursday and they said flat out "oh yeah, we have zero chance to win on Saturday." What a sport.
Hey, DB...have you and your FGT buds seen this one yet? Only on EBay...
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The Matech FGT1 is pretty much the most awesome second-generation racing FGT ever. Funny, the Lambo Huracan has a similar look...low and wide. Now where did I leave my checkbook?
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http://m.ebay.com/itm/Ford-GT-Matec...only-1-of-4-Must-see-/222099919324?nav=SEARCH
The Matech FGT1 is pretty much the most awesome second-generation racing FGT ever. Funny, the Lambo Huracan has a similar look...low and wide. Now where did I leave my checkbook?
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925k actually seems reasonable... that car is so bad! Lol
Yeah, I know the car and the owner well. Before Matech blew up I was pretty involved with them. 4 of the cars ended up with Marc VDS, all of which are now here, and the early GT1 development car is in Texas.
It's a beautiful race car.
The Matech FGT1 and FGT3...were the only reason I watched the SRO GT races back then. A blast...and frustrating sometimes. Now that the new FGT is in WEC... it's good all over again.
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And there you have it, DBK.
Ford wanted to win so bad at Le Mans that they deceived and sandbagged all season to get the one win that mattered most, after Corvette was penalized so bad that they went from a quarter second ahead of pace to nearly 6 seconds off the pace.
Congratulations. GT got the win they coveted so dearly. Not through superior design, engineering, dynamics, or innovation, but through BoP deceit to penalize the better car.
Are you saying Ford had superior BoP? Because last I saw they were biggest to be penalized.
Quit crying
Hate the game not the player.
Hey, They got penalized more than anyone after winning the pole. Wanna try again? Or would you rather just whine some more?
This is so, so, so comically wrong. Literally the exact opposite of what you said is true. The final BoP from Friday night had the GT running a hilariously low amount of horsepower, but the GT is so low drag yet high downforce that it was mowing down the much, much higher HP 488 on the Mulsanne. It shouldn't take a genius to figure out that looking at the field, the GT has tiny frontal area and could fit inside the rest of the class while inherently making way more downforce.
People clearly do not understand BoP. If they just let everyone run the same weight and power, the rest of the pansies in the class wouldn't be bitching about the Ford GT beating them, they'd be bitching about it beating LMP2 cars. Oh wait, they already are....
Not to mention FOUR entries into the GTE class to ensure a podium. A giant marketing ploy.
If Ford was really serious about changing the racing world like they did in the mid to late 60's, they would have built an all-out LMP1 car with no expense spared, and then made a McLaren P1-beating street variant of it:
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