I called the tuning representatives and the guy who answered said they typically see 60-80 hp gains from a 100 shot. WTF!! I am using a nitrous outlet plate. I told him I was hoping for 500whp with my intake, test pipes, and axle backs. He said he does not see this happening. Didn't nitrous outlet make over 500 with just a timing change? Also I asked if it would support a 150 shot. He said the FUEL PUMP wouldn't support it!!!! I don't even have the tune yet and I already feel like they're idiots.. What kinds I numbers can I expect elsewhere? I REALLY wanted an AED tune but it's just ridiculous expensive for an email tune!!
Bama 100 shot. Might ask for a refund.
- Thread starter Tommy Gavagnini
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100 shot should make 100hp more at the wheels when tuned up correctly. It's not our product but I can tell you it should make at least 100hp. Are you running e85 or regular fuel?
Thanks,
Garrett
Thanks,
Garrett
It's a 91 tune but I'll probably be running VP 100+ octane
Thanks for confirming that NX!
its really pretty cheap for an extra 20-40+whp.:burnout:
Certainly cheaper than a crap tune that'll blow your car up lol
I wouldn't trust Bama to tune my lawnmower. You need a person that is accountable and has a trusted reputation, not a "representative" of a Brand name.
AMWill
Active Member
Hey Tommy,
I just talked to the guys over at Bama and they asked me to relay this info over to you. I'm just a PM away if you would like to discuss it further.
"Thanks for providing feedback. If I had some additional information I would be more than happy to have a supervisor pull the call and figure out whom you spoke with and determine exactly what was said – DM me your name and phone number please.
With Nitrous, the HP gains are typically rated at the engine and not the wheels. We are not saying these results cannot be achieved at the wheels; however, these are not the gains that we typically see as we normally see about 80 RWHP from a 100 shot. - when calibrating these vehicles we are more interested in safe, reliable horsepower with perfect drive-ability than sending out overly aggressive calibrations via email (even with our free datalogging services).
Regarding the 150 shot there are a few issues - the information provided was correct
1. The fuel pump, without a BAP, cannot keep up with the demand required by the engine with the 150 shot (even a 100 shot is taxing on the system)
2. Every Wet nitrous kit that pulls fuel from the rail sucks the rail dry when the Nitrous hits and cylinders 1-4 have a lean spike – using a 150 shot only makes this worse and can cause severe engine failure, which is something we do not want to occur
We always suggest staging the Nitrous to delay this lean condition. You can do this very cheaply by relocating your Nitrous solenoid and running a longer Nitrous feed line, which is a simple and very cheap way to protect your engine.
I am sorry you feel we are idiots – I can assure you that this is not the case as our team is comprised of great calibrators with over 25+ years’ experience, including Nitrous tuning – If you still feel this way, there are no hard feelings if you give another competitor a shot, although I will say- If you compare the tunes, it will be tough to say they are better."
Once again, that came directly from Bama and we would love to get you squared away.
Looking forward to hearing back.
-Will
I used to run a BBR tune with my NX plate pilled for a 100 shot. I made three dyno pulls in a row. First pull was no nitrous, then two with nitrous. The car made 99hp, then 100hp over the baseline pull.
Those are the results I expected tuff nuts! A 100 shot is designed for 100 rwhp! Like I said before, nitrous outlet made 100rwhp with NO CHANGE to the fuel/VCT tables!!! They only retarded the timing for safety reasons THAT'S IT!! So why can't 100rwhp be had from a reputable company that has so many years of experience and know how?! I want 100 RWHP AMWill!!! I could PM you but seeing as everyone in this forum seems to prefer other tuners, and talks bad about BAMA, I don't see why you wouldn't want to prove your excellent customer service out in public where everyone can see? It could probably improve your reputation and possibly gain you ALOT of customers!! I'll let you in on something, I'm by no means trying to be rude or get on AM's bad side. I read all the rave reviews on your site and pulled the trigger. After doing so I searched GOOGLE for reviews on your tunes and almost instantly regretted my descision! Many say they don't produce, and another overwhelmingly common complaint is that the tunes are really lean! I am a member here at SVT and on a few other sites, but I find that svtp is full of VERY knowledgeable and experienced mustang owners. I'm sure other people google search too! Help me get a 100RWHP gain and I will post my dyno charts and data logs in return thus confirming both your company's expertise and great customer service?
Are we serioussly considering Bama to tune for nitrous? Wow.
If I'm BAMA, I refund you your money asap because you sound like an idiot customer stuck on a number.
Sounds like they gave you honest info and were up front and now you come on here and bash. You haven't even dynod or anything. Not every car is going to make the same power. Not every dyno reads the same. You sound like a problem customer that spends too much time Internet racing.
Sounds like they gave you honest info and were up front and now you come on here and bash. You haven't even dynod or anything. Not every car is going to make the same power. Not every dyno reads the same. You sound like a problem customer that spends too much time Internet racing.
^^^and that's why I am regretting my descision!! I think I just got the tunes.. I don't even know if I want to install them now. I'm kinda weary on this whole thing. If I data log does bama adjust the tune? How do they know how my DA is gonna affect my car, etc?
This is the thread I was talking about: http://www.svtperformance.com/forum...-2011-5-0-Coyote-Nitrous-Plate-System-Install. Is the dyno sheet lean at all?! If they can get these results without a tune then why can't bama deliver such results? 20lbbooster get out of here with that crap! Lmao I'm not an angry customer I'm trying to help them help me help them! Get it?! Probably not... I really wish to be satisfied and I will attend a dyno day pretty soon so I will definitely be able to provide dyno sheets, and data logs to prove and show my results for everyone in this forum and on google so everyone can see. I like AM and I believe that their very reputable service and expertise will come through! I just want to make sure that they get the recognition that they deserve when they provide the goods! I'm going to document this whole experience right here for you guys. I'm sure that a lot of people will appreciate that, and it could possibly bring more business to AM.
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Also 20lbdoodoo look at the second post in this thread. The post is by a representative of an actual nitrous oxide equipment manufacturer! A 100 shot should be an EASY 100+Hp gain in these cars!!! By 100 shot I mean .52N and .28F jets.
American Muscle and AMWill here on the site have excellent customer service as a PARTS vendor, just can't recommend their BAMA tuning services.
Lmao! Wow
AMWill
Active Member
Hey guys,
I appreciate the honest feedback and you guys are great customers of AmericanMuscle , I'm here to relay the message from Bama and make sure that you guys get the service that you deserve as AM customers. I spoke with Paul (Bama's lead calibrator) last night about this issue and re-visited it this morning.
Here is what Paul had to say,
"Thanks for everyone’s feedback and comments. It’s not that we cannot make 100rwhp but there are factors out of our control that could limit this – a big one being bottle pressure to actually provide adequate nitrous to make the power (it could make 100rwhp one hit, 85 another, etc).
Making power is easy (especially with Nitrous) – it’s timing and fuel. Making reliable power for multiple dyno runs, multiple track runs and countless hours on the street with exceptional drive-ability is a different beast. Our focus is on providing our customers with proven, reliable tunes with an unparalleled experience.
Every tuner, every manufacturer and every scenario is going to be different so we cannot respond to everyone’s dyno numbers. You mentioned the post so I will comment on it. Generally, the rule of thumb with Nitrous is 1* of timing retard for every 25HP when using pump fuel, so this would be 4 degrees retard with a 100 shot. In that post, the it mentions only pulling two degrees – I can assure you that the additional 2 degrees in this case would be worth 20-30 HP but is considered very aggressive for pump fuel in our opinion. Additionally, they are claiming no changes were made to fueling, which does not seem accurate. With the factory wideband sensors, if the fuel is added in via fuel jet, the PCM will detect a richer than commanded mixture and pull fuel to achieve the commanded fuel.
We are more than happy to work with you as we do all of our customers with all of the tunes we send out. After sending out tunes we always request and encourage a datalog to make sure your vehicles makes the most reliable power that it is capable of and operating within safe parameters (you don’t even have to ask to send one in – we expect and welcome them).
We can guarantee that you will have an exceptional experience and make great reliable power - If this is something you are interested in we would love to work with you. In an effort to serve you and our other customers as efficiently as possible, please contact us offline via phone or email about this and other tuning questions"
Once again, I am here to help all of our customers and will always do what I can to ensure that you are in contact with Bama to get the product that you paid for.
I'll definitely still be in this thread checking everything out, and if anyone needs me for anything, I'm just a PM away.
-Will
I appreciate the honest feedback and you guys are great customers of AmericanMuscle , I'm here to relay the message from Bama and make sure that you guys get the service that you deserve as AM customers. I spoke with Paul (Bama's lead calibrator) last night about this issue and re-visited it this morning.
Here is what Paul had to say,
"Thanks for everyone’s feedback and comments. It’s not that we cannot make 100rwhp but there are factors out of our control that could limit this – a big one being bottle pressure to actually provide adequate nitrous to make the power (it could make 100rwhp one hit, 85 another, etc).
Making power is easy (especially with Nitrous) – it’s timing and fuel. Making reliable power for multiple dyno runs, multiple track runs and countless hours on the street with exceptional drive-ability is a different beast. Our focus is on providing our customers with proven, reliable tunes with an unparalleled experience.
Every tuner, every manufacturer and every scenario is going to be different so we cannot respond to everyone’s dyno numbers. You mentioned the post so I will comment on it. Generally, the rule of thumb with Nitrous is 1* of timing retard for every 25HP when using pump fuel, so this would be 4 degrees retard with a 100 shot. In that post, the it mentions only pulling two degrees – I can assure you that the additional 2 degrees in this case would be worth 20-30 HP but is considered very aggressive for pump fuel in our opinion. Additionally, they are claiming no changes were made to fueling, which does not seem accurate. With the factory wideband sensors, if the fuel is added in via fuel jet, the PCM will detect a richer than commanded mixture and pull fuel to achieve the commanded fuel.
We are more than happy to work with you as we do all of our customers with all of the tunes we send out. After sending out tunes we always request and encourage a datalog to make sure your vehicles makes the most reliable power that it is capable of and operating within safe parameters (you don’t even have to ask to send one in – we expect and welcome them).
We can guarantee that you will have an exceptional experience and make great reliable power - If this is something you are interested in we would love to work with you. In an effort to serve you and our other customers as efficiently as possible, please contact us offline via phone or email about this and other tuning questions"
Once again, I am here to help all of our customers and will always do what I can to ensure that you are in contact with Bama to get the product that you paid for.
I'll definitely still be in this thread checking everything out, and if anyone needs me for anything, I'm just a PM away.
-Will
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Um... that's why your data logging newb... smh... I am in the same line of business. I don't give a guarantee on what a car will dyno. Every car is different, every dyno is different, results all vary. So I suggest you do this do a na pull, no nitrous but on same tune, than do a pull with nitrous.. and boom there is your results post them and your bashing or thoughts after ... not pre dyno or even before you spray... that just makes you look and sound like an ass.
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Lol...any tuner that can guarantee you a certain whp number based on your "research" I'd be leery of. Dynos can be manipulated. There's a lot more to it than numbers.
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