paxton or set of twins

[Force Induced]

I slept it over last night. I will go with the BEEFCAKE Special !! I have a budget of 20k I still need to build a motor :rockon:

I would recommend changing out the valve springs & retainers, head studs. Either having a local shop drop a forged bottom end into the block or get the MMR 1000, depending on your power goals.

 

[Ultrakla$$ic]

How much is needed to run 9's with a paxton in a A6? In terms of power and supporting mods.

Beefcake Special and a driver mod! LOL!!

 

[CPRsm]

Beef definitely nothing against paxtons I even wanted one at one time but in the grand scheme of things how much price difference is there really when you have all the supporting mods ( fuel system , engine , tranny, suspension ) when your attempting go 8's ? When you get that far in it seems that the 3 -4 k difference doesn't weigh in as much as which power adder you prefer.

That's a good point and something many forget when adding up the total. Initial cost for some stuff is cheaper and appealing. When you start wanting to go faster some of the other options you'll end up wanting, but ours already has all the things you'llbe buying anyway. Kmember, tubular core support, headers, aluminum expansion tank, mid pipe, (and in some cases intercoolers have to be upgraded) all included in our kit will add up. It's not as apples and oranges as you'd think by only looking at your initial investment. Not including the intercooler you'll spend about additional 2k on a paxton to match the parts list we provide. If you want to go 8's, some kits will REQUIRE a cooler upgrade. Some loooong before a goal of 8's lol. Some you need their stage three race kit to get the same intercooler core we use in our base kit. Idk how much that costs, but just a little more to add. So it really depends how far down the line you look.

 

[StevenStarke]

TWINS or STAY HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What he said :banana:

 

[beefcake]

That's a good point and something many forget when adding up the total. Initial cost for some stuff is cheaper and appealing. When you start wanting to go faster some of the other options you'll end up wanting, but ours already has all the things you'llbe buying anyway. Kmember, tubular core support, headers, aluminum expansion tank, mid pipe, (and in some cases intercoolers have to be upgraded) all included in our kit will add up. It's not as apples and oranges as you'd think by only looking at your initial investment. Not including the intercooler you'll spend about additional 2k on a paxton to match the parts list we provide. If you want to go 8's, some kits will REQUIRE a cooler upgrade. Some loooong before a goal of 8's lol. Some you need their stage three race kit to get the same intercooler core we use in our base kit. Idk how much that costs, but just a little more to add. So it really depends how far down the line you look.

the Paxton intercooler doesn't need any upgrading. The procharger without a doubt.

headers always help power, a k member isn't needed. that's just a choice if you want to pull weight.

 

[CPRsm]

the Paxton intercooler doesn't need any upgrading. The procharger without a doubt.

I'd say it's debatable. Didn't you add a meth kit to get into the 8's? And nitrous for 8.70's? Again it depends on how you look at it. I'm not OK with 140 deg inlets, even if the tune's not having to pull timing. At your power level, an 80 deg rise in inlets will cost you over 100hp. So whatever you see on the dyno is not what the car makes going down the track. That holds true even before the tune pulls timing.

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headers always help power, a k member isn't needed. that's just a choice if you want to pull weight.

I didn't say that any of it was really needed, but anyone trying to go that fast would end up with those parts. I haven't seen anyone in, or attempt those times with stock headers and kmember. It's just stuff that will knowingly get replaced when you target fast times.

 

[beefcake]

I'd say it's debatable. Didn't you add a meth kit to get into the 8's? And nitrous for 8.70's? Again it depends on how you look at it. I'm not OK with 140 deg inlets, even if the tune's not having to pull timing. At your power level, an 80 deg rise in inlets will cost you over 100hp. So whatever you see on the dyno is not what the car makes going down the track. That holds true even before the tune pulls timing.

I didn't say that any of it was really needed, but anyone trying to go that fast would end up with those parts. I haven't seen anyone in, or attempt those times with stock headers and kmember. It's just stuff that will knowingly get replaced when you target fast times.

I believe sean Kelly's car is on stock suspension, k member, etc.. still. He does have headers.

He's been 9.4's or 9.3's unaltered.

 

[kingnut]

so OP had boost and got tired of it. so he got rid of boost and now wants to buy boost.

anything im missing?

 

[CPRsm]

I believe sean Kelly's car is on stock suspension, k member, etc.. still. He does have headers.

He's been 9.4's or 9.3's unaltered.

But we're were talking about going 8's. He still has the worm gear clamps, stock bov and expansion tank, too? I'm curious of his inlet temps though.
You didn't answer my question though:-D
Did you get into the 8's without meth or nitrous? No other changes to the kit? I honestly don't know. I remember you saying the inlets were getting up there. But don't know what times you were running then.

 

[beefcake]

But we're were talking about going 8's. He still has the worm gear clamps, stock bov and expansion tank, too? I'm curious of his inlet temps though.
You didn't answer my question though:-D
Did you get into the 8's without meth or nitrous? No other changes to the kit? I honestly don't know. I remember you saying the inlets were getting up there. But don't know what times you were running then.

I drove to and from the track in 100% street trim, 3850lbs, and went 8.74@159.

at 9.2's in the dead heat, my iat's were 150's with the jt (same as Paxton)

with the ysi, @ higher boost, iat's were higher.

the Paxton / vortech setups are "proven" combo's that have been consistent 9 second / 8 second 100% streetable cars.

me, Kelley, jpc, and many more in 9.4 to 9.5 range

I still don't think I've seen a turbo setup in the 8's yet...

So, we don't even know what it takes to run 8's with a turbo, because no one has been able to do it yet, lol

I know, I know, it's coming. I've been hearing that for a year....

 

[Deespeed99]

JPC's running turbo now....

 

[poof100]

I drove to and from the track in 100% street trim, 3850lbs, and went 8.74@159.

at 9.2's in the dead heat, my iat's were 150's with the jt (same as Paxton)

with the ysi, @ higher boost, iat's were higher.

the Paxton / vortech setups are "proven" combo's that have been consistent 9 second / 8 second 100% streetable cars.

me, Kelley, jpc, and many more in 9.4 to 9.5 range

I still don't think I've seen a turbo setup in the 8's yet...

So, we don't even know what it takes to run 8's with a turbo, because no one has been able to do it yet, lol

I know, I know, it's coming. I've been hearing that for a year....

Didn't Kelley switch to a JPC Turbo? :lol:

 

[blacknlte]

So what's the ball park price on building a car the way yours is beefcake? I'm in the market to build one and would like to buy the right parts the first time.

Thanks

 

[CPRsm]

I drove to and from the track in 100% street trim, 3850lbs, and went 8.74@159.

at 9.2's in the dead heat, my iat's were 150's with the jt (same as Paxton)

with the ysi, @ higher boost, iat's were higher.

the Paxton / vortech setups are "proven" combo's that have been consistent 9 second / 8 second 100% streetable cars.

me, Kelley, jpc, and many more in 9.4 to 9.5 range

I still don't think I've seen a turbo setup in the 8's yet...

So, we don't even know what it takes to run 8's with a turbo, because no one has been able to do it yet, lol

I know, I know, it's coming. I've been hearing that for a year....

So to get into the 8's like were talking about, u switched head units, sprayed meth and nitrous? Because we were talking about 8's and you said the cooler didn't need to be upgraded.
So Kelley hasn't changed any tubing or anything else I mentioned? I'm sure the stuff isn't incapable. I think the point was a base 4200 kit doesn't run 8's or low 9's. And the gap between initial purchase prices aren't as far apart as they are advertised.

Not sure yet what it will take to get into the 8's with a turbo either, but I do know from an engineering stand point, mine is better to do it off the shelf than anything out there. No nitrous, meth, tubing changes, expansion tank, kmember, headers, h pipe or tbolt upgrades need be purchased after initial purchase. Question is, what will you cling to when turbos DO run 8's? :rockon: :beer:

 

[beefcake]

Didn't Kelley switch to a JPC Turbo? :lol:

I believe he's doing a custom turbo setup. Not sure what that has to do with anything, doesn't mean the car will be quicker.

it may be, it may not be.

So what's the ball park price on building a car the way yours is beefcake? I'm in the market to build one and would like to buy the right parts the first time.

Thanks

give me a ring and we can talk about a build.

So to get into the 8's like were talking about, u switched head units, sprayed meth and nitrous? Because we were talking about 8's and you said the cooler didn't need to be upgraded.
So Kelley hasn't changed any tubing or anything else I mentioned? I'm sure the stuff isn't incapable. I think the point was a base 4200 kit doesn't run 8's or low 9's. And the gap between initial purchase prices aren't as far apart as they are advertised.

Not sure yet what it will take to get into the 8's with a turbo either, but I do know from an engineering stand point, mine is better to do it off the shelf than anything out there. No nitrous, meth, tubing changes, expansion tank, kmember, headers, h pipe or tbolt upgrades need be purchased after initial purchase. Question is, what will you cling to when turbos DO run 8's? :rockon: :beer:

I went 9.03 with the jt head unit, stock intercooler, no meth, no nitrous, full weight. and that was at our local track driving it in, making 2 hits and driving home.

we swapped for the following season, but the kit would be capable of 8's

seans kit was an off the shelf kit. he had other mods too, I don't know every mod he had though.

again, you don't know the $$ to get a car in the 8's, because it hasn't been done. what is the quickest one of your kits has run?

the Paxton's have been running circles around the turbo's for over 3 years now.

at the end of the day, for lots of power, for the least inexpensive investment, nothing beats the Paxton kit.

once your going for 8's consistently, there is going to be a lot more involved. As far as saying your kit is better off to do it. If it's that easy, then do it!

We'll be at bowling green for match races....

 

[3 oh 2]

so OP had boost and got tired of it. so he got rid of boost and now wants to buy boost.

anything im missing?

The thing is that im going for 1000+ hp and i know the roush would hold me back

 

[stretchb]

I loved my paxton but the seat of the pants feel of a turbo is hard to beat. I have 8k in my tt kit, Fore fuel system, circle d converter, tune, etc.

 

[Ultrakla$$ic]

so OP had boost and got tired of it. so he got rid of boost and now wants to buy boost.

anything im missing?

That's Joe. LOL!! Ima buy this Paxton from him to go with the Boss IM I bought from him!!

Hurry and get it Joe so I can buy it from you in a month!!!!oke::beer:

 

[Deespeed99]

The thing is that im going for 1000+ hp and i know the roush would hold me back

If you're looking for 1000hp id go turbo for sure...

 

[Ultrakla$$ic]

Oh lawd!!! Here we go!!

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