Your Death Can Reveal Only an Afterlife

[rubber duck]

Why does everybody care so much about the before/afterlife when what really matters is the impact you place on humanity while you are alive?

This is the one thing people to have seemingly learned through their near death experiences. I suggest everyone pick up a couple books, I recommend "Life after Life" for starters, there's no dogma attatched to the book either. No matter where you fall in the theistic spectrum it makes for an interesting read.

 

[01cobravortech]

Why does everybody care so much about the before/afterlife when what really matters is the impact you place on humanity while you are alive?

I have learned that the only religion that matters is love, nothing more, nothing less. Jesus Christ preached about love and compassion. I explicitly disagree with a lot of the things in the bible, it is a very violent book. However the actions of that one man is all I care about, treat others with love and kindness, like he did, and I promise you this world would be a much better place to live in.

You're like the gnostics of the 1st century who went around telling people that Jesus was a good man but not God himself and that there was no such thing as sin. Jesus preached that people needed a Savior and that He was it. You can't cherry pick what parts of the Bible you will believe and which you will. You apparently don't know who Jesus is but I know a lot of guys like yourself. Always trying to strip Jesus of His glory at the Cross. You talk about the noble things Jesus did but you refuse to accept that Jesus siad He is the only one to the Father. People liek yourself are very dangerous. You talk about Jesus a good deal and many things He said but you deny every aspect of Him that makes Him Lord of all. You can't have it both ways. Jesus is Lord and Savior to you or He is nothing to you.

 

[01cobravortech]

Sell all your worldly possessions yet?

Why would I sell anything unless the Lord has instructed me to? The Lord wants us blessed beyond our wildes t imaginations so we can BE A BLESSING to others. You can't bless people if you are broke or greedy or stingy. Jesus died to bring us the Blessing of Abraham. Maybe you should read all about it in the Bible. Apparently, you've been brainwashed by either Hollywood or very religious Christians who tell people that God wants them broke and suffering. The opposite is true.

 

[germeezy1]

If anyone thinks these threads are anything but bait threads they are mistaken. Personally God already tells many of us in his word not to sow our pearls among swine.

 

[TJSwoboda]

Why would I sell anything unless the Lord has instructed me to? The Lord wants us blessed beyond our wildes t imaginations so we can BE A BLESSING to others. You can't bless people if you are broke or greedy or stingy. Jesus died to bring us the Blessing of Abraham. Maybe you should read all about it in the Bible. Apparently, you've been brainwashed by either Hollywood or very religious Christians who tell people that God wants them broke and suffering. The opposite is true.

I'm only brainwashed by my own Bible reading:

Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

 

[rubber duck]

Personally God already tells many of us in his word not to sow our pearls among swine.

How condescending of you. How does he "personally" tell you this?

 

[01cobravortech]

I'm only brainwashed by my own Bible reading:

Every scripture has to be looked at in its context. You don't even understand why Jesus said what He did in Matthew 19. Also, Jesus lived under the OLD COVENANT. He was introducing grace under the OC.

Here's what my Bible states about God wanting all Christians wealthy and blessed, and all people for that matter.

Genesis 13:2 Amplified Bible (AMP)

2 Now Abram was extremely rich in livestock and in silver and in gold.



Genesis 24:1 Amplified Bible (AMP)
24 Now Abraham was old, well advanced in years, and the Lord had blessed Abraham in all things.



Deuteronomy 28:16-19 Amplified Bible (AMP)


16 Cursed shall you be in the city and cursed shall you be in the field.
17 Cursed shall be your basket and your kneading trough.
18 Cursed shall be the fruit of your body, of your land, of the increase of your cattle and the young of your sheep.
19 Cursed shall you be when you come in and cursed shall you be when you go out.


In fact, do yourself a big favor and read Deut 28:16-61 and read about all the curses that came with failing to obey the 10 commandments. No one but Jesus was ever able to keep those 10 commandments. In fact, the Lord knew that human could keep them and that's why he provided the Jewish people with 5 animal sacrifices to bring to the temple so the Lord could bless them despite their sins and faults, etc.



Now we move to the NC where Jesus has taken the penalty and curse of poverty, among so many other things, and has qualified the entire human race for every blessing, INCLUDING BEING WEALTHY!

<H3>Romans 4:13 Amplified Bible (AMP)


13 For the promise to Abraham or his posterity, that he should inherit the world, did not come through [observing the commands of] the Law but through the righteousness of faith.

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Galatians 3:13-14

Amplified Bible (AMP)

13 Christ purchased our freedom [redeeming us] from the curse (doom) of the Law [and its condemnation] by [Himself] becoming a curse for us, for it is written [in the Scriptures], Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree (is crucified);

14 To the end that through [their receiving] Christ Jesus, the blessing [promised] to Abraham might come upon the Gentiles, so that we through faith might [all] receive [the realization of] the promise of the [Holy] Spirit.


Galatians 3:29 Amplified Bible (AMP)


29 And if you belong to Christ [are in Him Who is Abraham’s Seed], then you are Abraham’s offspring and [spiritual] heirs according to promise.


That's right the blessing of Abraham belongs to every Christian but in order to see that blessing and everything that blessing provides (health, wealth, family blessings, favor, deliverance out of trouble, RENEWAL OF YOUTH) you need to believe that you are righteous by faith. Many Christians don't believe that though because they still think that they are under the Old Covenant where they think God blesses them based on their obedience or 'law keeping.' That is not New Covenant.

Clearly you are NOT Abraham's seed. I know I am. I am by faith and I declare all the time by faith. Because to be Abraham's seed and enjoy the promise that God made to him that HE AND HIS DESCENDANTS would be made heir of the world comes not through your law keeping but by believing you are RIGHT WITH GOD. Its by believing you are righteous in God's sight because Jesus gave you the gift of righteousness. But you can't just believe it in your heart, YOU NEED TO SPEAK IT OUT WITH YOUR MOUTH.

That's what the Bible teaches. Use your faith to believe that you are righteous by faith. That's the area you need to concentrate your faith in. It takes faith to declare that you are the righteousness of God in Christ when you fail or when you are sick or lacking money or just missing it. But many Christians today don't believe this. Its not taught in many churches, YET its right there in the Bible. And if you hold on to that confession long enough, that you are the righteousness of God in Christ, God has a legal obligation to bring that promise to pass. When you declare that you are righteous, you are HONORING what Jesus did at the Cross for you. He suffered severely to give you His robe of righteousness and every blessing that comes with that robe. And God has to make all those promises effectual in your life. Your part is just to believe it and declare it and act like so. But how many Christians do that or even understand what it means to be righteous BECAUSE OF WHAT JESUS DID?

You also know one of the major reasons why so many Christians have horrible conduct or speak and act and live like they were never saved to begin with? You know like live like godless people? Its because they don't believe they are righteous. They are constantly conscious of their failures and shortcomings and the more you are cosncious of your sins the more sinful you will be. That's the primary reason you have Christians acting like that. They don't even know how God sees them. They would straighten out real quick though if these truths became a reality and they understood the power of embracing this gift of righteousness. They would be changed people if they understood that God sees nothing wrong with them anymore the moment they receive Jesus as Lord.

You ever meet people who are always hard on others? You know the type that always goes around saying, "Oh they got what they deserve." You know the ones that show no mercy to others or that just have to repay an evil deed with evil? Those kind of people are under severe condemnation and guilt. That's why they are so hard on other people. If they only understood God's Grace. If they truly understood how much the Lord has forgiven them, they would be quick to forgive others. They wouldn't be so hard on people. But many people are not walking in these truths. If people really "got what they deserved" this planet would be wiped out. It would not be pretty down here. If people were honest and recorded every evil thought, deed, desire and spoken word from every day...they would stop talking about people "getting what they deserve." And yea that includes Christians. Need to keep this real. But we have Jesus and the world doesn't.

Many Christians are in bondage talking about the sweet by and by and they don't know what their identity in Christ truly is. Many Christians are still under the Law and that's why they get frustrated with God's promises when they don't see them manifest or end up believeing they are not for today.

Its no mystery why so many people are not seeing God's promises in the Bible. The church is trying to get Abraham's blessing through keeping laws rather than by believing that Jesus has made them righteous. Jesus even gave Christians His personal robe of righteousness.

And Abraham was anot a perfect man by any means. The guy twice lied and tried pimping out his wife to save his own tail. he is certainly not righteous by his performance. :lol: But Abraham had such a strong revelation of being righteous and blameless in God's sight BY FAITH. He believed that God justifies the ungodly.

Abraham never lacked anything. And he lived before jesus died. But we as Christians are to believe that God wants us worse off than Abraham? LOL I'm sorry but religious brainwashing has kept the church defeated for so long.

You know every time I hear a Christian say. "I'm just a lowly, dirty ole sinner saved by grace..." I swear I want to slap them silly. They think they are being so noble and humble when in fact they are insulting Jesus as if He never did anything for them when He was nailed to that Cross for them. He wasn't nailed to that Cross for devils or demons or Nephilim offspring, but for humans.

The people of the world are funny. All the godless people of the world live under the 10 commandments and they don't even realize it. They live under a system of Law. That's why karma is so popular with people. They believe if they do good they get good and if they do bad they get bad. Pure system of law. A system where you believe you are righteous until your next screw up and if you screw somebody over you expect judgement to come against you. Also, there are a lot of people who do many 'good things' with very selfish and evil motives behind them. But people just look at the surface of those supposed 'good deeds.' Not so in the Christian faith. The Lord looks at your heart. Jesus took our judgement and guilt and punishment at the Cross so we would not have to bear it.

And make no mistake. Someone has to pay for all the wrong things they've done in life, things they've spoken and desired towards others that isn't nice. God doesn't just say, "Well I'll just let boys be boys." Someone has to pay for your wrongs. That guy that you cursed out, because he cut you off in traffic, is someone who God loves. And someone has to pay for that because God doesn't see that as right. So either you pay for it or you find yourself a SUBSTITUTE. But someone must pay because our God is a righteous God.

 

[wurd2]

Personally God already tells many of us in his word not to sow our pearls among swine.

If I am to be considered swine because I refuse to have my conclusions handed to me then so be it!

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[svtfocus2cobra]

It sounds like you have little understanding of how powerful the human brain is. It can make one so addicted to substances that they will kill for their next high, create a placebo affect powerful enough to block out pain, and can be altered with "substances" (read: illegal) to see crazed and complex illusions and understandings/sights that can alter someone's outlook forever.

Many of the most intelligent human beings experimented with these mind altering drugs to unlock areas of the brain that mostly enact within the subconscious. Now other than your brain's understandings and realizations which eventually boils down to nuero-kinetics; how have you been battling these spiritual entities.

Go ahead and tell this to the Marine at my command who was hospitalized for physical wounds that were inflicted on him by a spirit. I'm sure he and the witnesses who heard his screams while he was being attacked will contribute it to just the DMT being triggered in his brain.

He remembers everything in detail until the point he saw the black figure run out of the darkneas of his room and attack him. From there he blacked out but the people living next to him and people outside heard his screams and rushed to get into his room. He was alone in his room and had just gotten off the phone with his gf when a few seconds later all the lights in his room shut off. He turned his lamp back on and then started hearing the sound of wallpaper being continuously torn off the walls but nothing was physically happening. The lights turned off again and that's when the spirit appeared and attacked him.

When they found him he was covered in blood and when they found the source of it he had perfect vertical cuts all down his back like it was done with a razor blade or knife. One of my friends who was his squad leader responded to it and said there was no way he could have done it on his own, that where the cuts were located and how perfect they were no person could physically do that to themself. Another friend of mine who is a combat veteran Sgt said it was one of the most disturbing and unexplainable things he's ever seen. With there being only one door and window into the barracks room it would have been impossible for there to be an intruder as the neighbours were beating on his door and trying to get in while he was screaming and being attacked.

That's just one story too. You can explain it away all you want but what you believe about the mind has absolutely nothing to do with occurences that happen outside our minds and produce physical evidence of their happening. You are only giving an educated guess of an explanation to something you clearly have no real understanding of.

 

[DaleM]

Oh the love from American X-ians! Or should I say America's Taliban?
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[Relaxed Chaos]

WARNING: Christians may find the following deeply offensive. Refer to Psalms 14:1-2, Proverbs 23:9, and Matthew 7:6 for consolation and escape.

The Christian proposition, as I have come to understand it, is that I have two choices before me as a consequence of being born: either I kneel before Jesus Christ and submit myself to His mercy so that I can enter a kingdom of eternal praise and everlasting worship -OR- I spend an eternity—not a year, or a million years, or even a billion or trillion years, but an eternity!—in abject misery and inescapable torment.

This is a wicked preachment. It is a command to love on pain of eternal torture. It is the essence of the master-slave relationship, the essence of sadomasochism.

This is a profound thought, and certainly echoes my thought processes I have been through as I start to think for myself and through the many wash cycles I have been through attempting to wash away the human religious brainwashing that was forced upon my youthful self.

However, I am not surprised that none of the local supernatural believers have even remotely addressed this idea.

 

[svtfocus2cobra]

This is a profound thought, and certainly echoes my thought processes I have been through as I start to think for myself and through the many wash cycles I have been through attempting to wash away the human religious brainwashing that was forced upon my youthful self.

However, I am not surprised that none of the local supernatural believers have even remotely addressed this idea.

Because your logic is so backwards from the truth, I don't even know where to start. You neglect everything that is right and focus only on what you perceive as negative, completely disregarding that you have every opportunity in a completely sensical matter to avoid any such judgement. I cannot help you because your mind is set. Someone along the way really screwed up your concept of who God is and from my perspective you have completely turned yourself off.

The believers on here can only do so much and we know how much weight our posts hold with you guys. If you want the truth you're all going to have to ask God about that since your issues seem to be with Him.

 

[Relaxed Chaos]

Because your logic is so backwards from the truth, I don't even know where to start. You neglect everything that is right and focus only on what you perceive as negative, completely disregarding that you have every opportunity in a completely sensical matter to avoid any such judgement. I cannot help you because your mind is set. Someone along the way really screwed up your concept of who God is and from my perspective you have completely turned yourself off.

The believers on here can only do so much and we know how much weight our posts hold with you guys. If you want the truth you're all going to have to ask God about that since your issues seem to be with Him.

So, you too will not be addressing the choice that is in front of us: forced love or eternal torment.

Funny thing is that I'm not sure if I believe in a god or not, but I certainly do not believe in human religions. One can not make a conclusion and then look for evidence to support the conclusion. I am/was confirmed in my parents religion of choice, so yes I have some background, have sang some little songs, listened to various church people talk, listened to them stumble over and deflect the most basic of questions, and have read the book multiple times. After a lot of thought, the human part of this, or any, religious experience doesn't make one bit of sense to me. I need some hard and reproducible evidence to support the conclusion. The funny thing is that any god knows this about me so why would he damn me to eternal torture for the being the skeptic that he made?

Please, provide some real evidence that can be reproduced and everyone will believe. Without supporting evidence, a faith based belief in the supernatural is an insane mental condition.

 

[suaveflooder]

You are asking for scientific evidence for a philosophical discussion. It just can't happen. I think the confusion I am seeing here is that WE (human beings) made the decision to sin and thus the consequence is separation from God. The really cool part is that God didn't want this! He loves us and he wanted us to be with him forever so he provided a path.....his son

No sure if you've read any of C.S Lewis' books other than the lion the witch and the wardrobe (I use this because it's the most popular), but he has a book out called "mere Christianity" that will answer some of your questions very well.

 

[germeezy1]

Does anyone in this thread that is not saved really want the truth?

 

[RDJ]

Does anyone in this thread that is not saved really want the truth?

based on your responses to the GZ/TM threads you wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you in the head. so no. hearing the "truth" from you would be a waste of time.

 

[germeezy1]

based on your responses to the GZ/TM threads you wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you in the head. so no. hearing the "truth" from you would be a waste of time.

I never said I would bring the truth, and truly only one can bring the truth to each and every one that doubts. You like killing innocent kids so perhaps you need God more than you know?

 

[RDJ]

I never said I would bring the truth, and truly only one can bring the truth to each and every one that doubts. You like killing innocent kids so perhaps you need God more than you know?

and you like to presume where there is nothing to base the presumption on but this conversation should be in the other thread LOL! innocent kids LOL too funny

 

[CBrowning84]

Please, provide some real evidence that can be reproduced and everyone will believe. Without supporting evidence, a faith based belief in the supernatural is an insane mental condition.

Seek and you will find. My personal evidence means nothing to you; you have to make it personal for you.

Have you ever tried asking God to reveal Himself to you? ;-)

 

[wurd2]

...the Lord knew that human could keep them and that's why he provided the Jewish people with 5 animal sacrifices to bring to the temple so the Lord could bless them despite their sins and faults...

Given the amazing intricacies of nature and the sheer scale of the cosmos, to say nothing at all of their breathtaking beauty, I fail to see how any free-thinking individual can believe that the creator of such a universe would meddle with sacrificed animals, let alone require itself to do so for the sake of the actions of its own creations.

In my experience, it is painfully obvious that this element of your story is manmade.

Clearly you are NOT Abraham's seed. I know I am. I am by faith and I declare all the time by faith. Because to be Abraham's seed and enjoy the promise that God made to him that HE AND HIS DESCENDANTS would be made heir of the world comes not through your law keeping but by believing you are RIGHT WITH GOD.

Does anyone find it curious that any time priesthoods claim a revelation from heaven, they immediately elevate themselves above all others and begin telling everyone what they can and cannot do?

Human beings invent this nonsense so that they can assume control and justify taking it by force if necessary.

Oh, the incessant hubris of the faithful.

But you can't just believe it in your heart, YOU NEED TO SPEAK IT OUT WITH YOUR MOUTH.

Oh, I shall. I shall.

Use your faith to believe that you are righteous by faith.

TRANSLATION: Use your [lack of reason/evidence] to believe that you are righteous by your [lack of reason/evidence].

Faith is, and will always be, downright dangerous and counterproductive to building a long-term civilization.

He wasn't nailed to that Cross for devils or demons or Nephilim offspring, but for humans.

Ah, the Nephilim! I will never ever forget these gems:

The people of the world are funny.

Indeed.

All the godless people of the world live under the 10 commandments...

I wouldn't bet on it.

So either you pay for it or you find yourself a SUBSTITUTE.

Vicarious morality, eh?

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