Whipple 2.9 time....oh yesss!

[skaarew04SVT]

:/ watch it with those pumps. i know of 2 guys that luckily caught them going bad on them before something worst happened.

its funny how they look like gss340s with spray paint.




ps i just opened an gss340 that i have here brand new and they are identical. if they go bad please open them to see if they really use a different turbine

care to elaborate on the failures?

as for the GSS series pumps being identical, i dont think so. the GSS series are a gerator design (positive displacement pump) (i assume gss340 is similar to gss342)as opposed to the Aeromotives being a turbine design. if im wrong about the gss340s, excuse my ignorance.

u have pics of the inside of that gss340?? does it look like the gss342 pics we posted couple days ago?

 

[skaarew04SVT]

google is my friend. i see the gss340 is a positive displacement pump just like the 342, with the big center inlet.

so....i know the casing specs out to be the same. smart move actually for aeromotive to do this, make it plug and play where the GSS series pumps currently are. sounds like they did a turbine style pump, as opposed to what u see in the GSS pumps below:

 

[Teej281]

Pictures look SWEET! Nice pickup! How long is the car gonna be down this time?

 

[skaarew04SVT]

Pictures look SWEET! Nice pickup! How long is the car gonna be down this time?

how long will car be down? well im really not sure. prob a while....really is no rush.

things I gotta do / decide to do:

1.I am trying to decide if im going with an ID1000 or ID 1600 injector. ID1000 have USCAR connector, no harness required. ID 1600 have EV1 connector, requiring harnesses. I dont need the 1600s, the 1000s would be perfect.

2. Gotta finish my strut tower brace "modulation project". Cut up the MM STB and incorporated tube joints already, that way you dont have to remove the whole brace to pop blower out. Brace is cut and tube joints are in, just gotta weld and re-powdercoat

3. Still trying to decide if I am gonna risk installing the 340 fuel pumps, or just bite the bullet, sell my fore hat triple setup, and go sumped with a Weldon external pump. Been looking at the Weldon 2345, but it is pricey at over $1100. However, would be end all be all solution. Simple to maintain and easy to repair ($150 bucks to rebuild that pump).

So....pending on what route I go, will dictate what the down time will be.

 

[KINGCOBRA86]

^ i say you go return,sump etc... you have gone into some much detail with the car might as well do the the fuel system that way too

this guy might have allright stuff ?

1998-2004 Ford Mustang Fuel Systems - Glenn's Performance

 

[skaarew04SVT]

^ i say you go return,sump etc... you have gone into some much detail with the car might as well do the the fuel system that way too

this guy might have allright stuff ?

1998-2004 Ford Mustang Fuel Systems - Glenn's Performance

if i go that route, i will definently go with the glenns performance sumped tank, no doubt about it. i am still researching and trying to decide the right external pump options that are out there. will make a decision soon.

 

[DSG2NV03]

Hey Erik,
Hopefully the deal is still going on. There is a gentleman (who posted in the distillery) who got us a good deal at Groupe-S performance for ID1000s for 800 shipped, which is I believe 150 bucks off.
Good luck on the project. I will be following this that way I can not spend as much money as you and get all the good stuff the first time.

Alex

 

[skaarew04SVT]

Hey Erik,
Hopefully the deal is still going on. There is a gentleman (who posted in the distillery) who got us a good deal at Groupe-S performance for ID1000s for 800 shipped, which is I believe 150 bucks off.
Good luck on the project. I will be following this that way I can not spend as much money as you and get all the good stuff the first time.

Alex

i got the injectors covered.....local contact here gets them so cheap i dont even wanna tell you for how much ;-)

yeah, ive dropped some coin going back and forth back and forth on my setups......but the aeromotive 340s are still new in box, and can return them to summit no problem....if i can just make up my mind!

 

[04SilverSerpent]

JC says his external will be quiet as can be Erik. If those aeromotive's are fine for corn, I'll probably going that route once I go external.

 

[skaarew04SVT]

JC says his external will be quiet as can be Erik. If those aeromotive's are fine for corn, I'll probably going that route once I go external.

he had a loud Weldon 2345, but sold it. he is running twin bosch 044s now....which are quiet. i dont mind a loud pump, but the Weldon $$ is a bit too high.....doing more research on the aeromotive pro-series pump as well as adding in a fuel cooler (radiator style) as opposed to a pump controller

 

[04SilverSerpent]

he had a loud Weldon 2345, but sold it. he is running twin bosch 044s now....which are quiet. i dont mind a loud pump, but the Weldon $$ is a bit too high.....doing more research on the aeromotive pro-series pump as well as adding in a fuel cooler (radiator style) as opposed to a pump controller

Cool...I meant to say when I go return style with a hat obviously. I'm curious to know what all you find out.

 

[skaarew04SVT]

Cool...I meant to say when I go return style with a hat obviously. I'm curious to know what all you find out.

well once i decide what im gonna do, i might be selling my fore hat (only has 200 miles on it) and sticking the stock hat with only fuel level sending unit back in....that is, if i go sumped. just doing research on external single pumps setups now, really sounds like weldon is the sure fire way to go, but my rear puckers looking at the prices!

if i go sumped, def will go Glenns performance tank , of course, in stainless steel as opposed to their mild steel option. stainless goes well with the corn!

 

[rlongo]

Great info Erik. I still haven't installed my triple Walbro setup let, so I will be waiting to see what you determine. Thanks for all the good info.

 

[skaarew04SVT]

Great info Erik. I still haven't installed my triple Walbro setup let, so I will be waiting to see what you determine. Thanks for all the good info.

Well I honestly would rather you not wait on me. the GSS342s should be fine, as we never really concluded that the pumps were my problem. If you got the stuff I would go with it.

My logic is....I am tired of dealing with intank pumps. I'm ready to move on and have made my decision. Starting with returning my 3 aeromotive 340s to summit today.

I have decided to go with the Glenns performance sumped tanked (not sleeper tank) in their stainless steel version. As for an external pump....going to go with the weldon 2345. All the research online and talking with my friends that have experience with Aeromotive externals have definently steered me clear of going that route. Going to stick with the proven Weldon product, do it once, and do it right.

the Weldon is ideal because of the following:

1. It's a proven, robust performer
2. It can be mounted above the fuel tank (self priming) unlike the aeromotives
3. you cant beat the warranty
4. I will never need another pump, will be more than enough for my application.


Will it be loud , yes, but I will install it in such a manner to isolate it from the chassis and will run it on the Weldon "dial-a-flow" that is available locally from a member on this board.

So, going to take some time to do this however, must sell the following 1st: Anyone interested hit me up!
- My brand new Fore Triple hat with 200 miles on it
- My 80 lb injectors
- My Fore F2 regulator
- My stock Cobra gas tank

Soooo, if you wait on me to prove out this setup, it will be a while. Car is gonna be down for an undetermined amount of time. Call it my summer project. :beer:

 

[Teej281]

Really wish I was in the market right now for the tank, reg, and hat. Gonna be part of my summer build.

 

[skaarew04SVT]

Really wish I was in the market right now for the tank, reg, and hat. Gonna be part of my summer build.

They arent sold yet. We could talk offline if you have serious interest....I wouldnt be against holding them for you.


Other than that, I just had a great conversation with Glenn (the owner) of Glenns Performance. He talked about all the pumps with me, Aeromotive, Weldons, Walbros, etc etc.

Gave me many options to work with, and was very direct in telling me that Fuel Pump Controllers are a bunch of BS. He said let the pump run....and mechanically maintain the temp via their fuel cooler (radiator).

Will have to fill you guys in later......but definently some very informative information!

 

[98 Saleen Cobra]

^^ Yup that's why I'm not running a Conroller on my A1000... Just a bunch of BS to me lol.. If I ever need more pump though I'm going to look into the Weldons :beer: glad you got it all figured out bud

 

[04torchred]

Erik if you want to run a big single go with a Magnafuel they don't require a controller and work well. If I hadn't went with external GSL392 Walbros I would have used a magnafuel.

Now quick question, but what clutch is in the car? Any chance it might not be holding all the new power and that is why the numbers didn't jump like you thought?

My 3.4L is a bit softer on the bottom end also, but its sort of nice because you can put the power down better.

Everything looks awesome on the car.

EDIT: Hey I just noticed that JLT filter cover. Yank that shit and redyno it to see if its not letting the blower feed as much air. Its really covering off that one side of the filter. Its only an idea Erik, but I would try it since that is one of the only things you have changed that I could see holding it back.

 

[skaarew04SVT]

^^ Yup that's why I'm not running a Conroller on my A1000... Just a bunch of BS to me lol.. If I ever need more pump though I'm going to look into the Weldons :beer: glad you got it all figured out bud

All I have figured out is I'm going external.....pumps options still rattling round the old brain.

Erik if you want to run a big single go with a Magnafuel they don't require a controller and work well. If I hadn't went with external GSL392 Walbros I would have used a magnafuel.

Now quick question, but what clutch is in the car? Any chance it might not be holding all the new power and that is why the numbers didn't jump like you thought?

My 3.4L is a bit softer on the bottom end also, but its sort of nice because you can put the power down better.

Everything looks awesome on the car.

EDIT: Hey I just noticed that JLT filter cover. Yank that shit and redyno it to see if its not letting the blower feed as much air. Its really covering off that one side of the filter. Its only an idea Erik, but I would try it since that is one of the only things you have changed that I could see holding it back.

Schyler....thanks for throwing another pump option out there for me to dwell on :bash:

As for my clutch, I'm running a Zoom Factor 2 twin disk 920 lb/ft rating). It held fine on the dyno (except for the 1st pull as to be expected). No obvious signs that the clutch wasnt up to the job. I refreshed it after my engine swap last August.....only has 1400 miles on it as well.

As for the JLT cover, I just cant see it holding it back that much. It didnt prevent me from pegging my MAF out on 4th gear street pulls thats for sure. But will take that into consideration next time i hit the dyno, its gonna be a while though.

As for subpar dyno #s....I still suspect the dyno honestly. Car pulls much harder than the 2.3 at that same psi ever did....SOP its a whole new feel. I just gotta get it back together and go from there.

Trying to do a leak down check this weekend just for my piece of mind.

 

[04torchred]

All I have figured out is I'm going external.....pumps options still rattling round the old brain.



Schyler....thanks for throwing another pump option out there for me to dwell on :bash:

As for my clutch, I'm running a Zoom Factor 2 twin disk 920 lb/ft rating). It held fine on the dyno (except for the 1st pull as to be expected). No obvious signs that the clutch wasnt up to the job. I refreshed it after my engine swap last August.....only has 1400 miles on it as well.

As for the JLT cover, I just cant see it holding it back that much. It didnt prevent me from pegging my MAF out on 4th gear street pulls thats for sure. But will take that into consideration next time i hit the dyno, its gonna be a while though.

As for subpar dyno #s....I still suspect the dyno honestly. Car pulls much harder than the 2.3 at that same psi ever did....SOP its a whole new feel. I just gotta get it back together and go from there.

Trying to do a leak down check this weekend just for my piece of mind.

Probably not the clutch then. I am interested if that shield is holding it back though, how much clearance is there around it and the filter element?

Dyno doesn't mean everything. I bet this one will run quite a few mph faster and be able to repeat the power it puts down better over a 2.3L. I too dynoed my car hot and put up 3 pulls within 10hp of each other with only a 5 min cool down between 1 pull. The other one was back to back. This was after a 2.5 hour drive to the dyno so the big blowers don't seem to heat soak as bad at the more moderate boost levels vs a 2.3 sized blower.

Look into the magnafuel pump though, it will save you quite a bit of money over a Weldon and they perform well.

ProTuner In-Line Pump MP-4301 you want the 4301 at min I would opt for the 4303 pump due to the E85. Ask them what they think for a pump on your setup.