OK, so am am about as unbiased as you can get because I own an '03 Cobra and an '05 STI for my "winter" car. I always wondered which was faster (pre-Whipple) between a fairly stock Termy and my lightly modded STI (turbo back, dynotuned 280awhp & 325 ftlbs). My seat of the ass answer was that the STI was quicker from a dig up to about 60 - 70 mph due to the superior grip with awd, and then the Termy would eventually take over on motor. I was in my STI the other day and came upon what turned out to be a fairly stock (catback at most) Termy and we had a go from about 30ish up to well over three digits (closed course, of course! ;-) and to be honest it wasn't even close.... I pulled about 10 lengths on him and it basically never changed from there. I slowed down and we talked briefly....he said he started to close the gap a bit at about 100 or so (I didn't see that from my end, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt). So my lingering questions are: was he just lacking skill on his end? or does my old estimate of AWD grip advantage from 0 to 60ish need to be revamped to 0-100? Do any of you guys have experience good or bad with STI encounters????
Stock Termy dusted by an STI ???
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He was in the wrong gear most likely. I stayed even with an 03 from 70ish to 110 when I had 315 whp. I stayed in 4th gear the entire time. Ct also, nice.
either
A: The driver cant drive for nothing
B: It was a FOBRA (my assumption)
or
C: He was gay
STI's are fast, but the cobra and the STI are almost exactly the same in performance at the track, according to a BIASED magazine HOTROD, who did the test between a 04 cobra vs 04 sti
However, ive seen STI's dip into the 14's at the track and ive seen cobras dip into the lower 12's with a exhaust only...so its hard to tell...
Being that SVT hand asembles the Cobra engines...someone could have been sleeping on the job
good kill
Everytime I hear the word "termy" I want to punt a baby.
At a roll traction shouldnt of been that big of an issue, atleast not enough to get 10 lengths put on you. So i dont think it was the AWD that did that to him
When i had my 03 in stockish form (catted midpipe, catack, intake), i raced my buddy in his 06 STI (full exhaust, COBB access port) and it was pretty close from 40-60, and then i was gone (we went from a dig for him, then from a 40ish roll for me).
We did one race where I spun hard at the line and it did take me until about 100 to catch him, but I had one hell of a head of steam when i went by, haha.
We did one race where I spun hard at the line and it did take me until about 100 to catch him, but I had one hell of a head of steam when i went by, haha.
too many variables to tell here... But 10 car lengths from 30-100?? Thats not just pulling on him, thats destroying him. Stock cobras are a mid-mid high 12 second car... I don't know STI's at all, but I would guess yours is a high 12?
I've never been to the track with the STI, so I can't say for sure. I am a Ford guy at heart and a part of me wanted the Termy......excuse me.......03 Cobra (sorry colsGT) to eek it out, but the competitive bastard in me wants to win even if it is a tricycle race against a toddler. I'm thinking the other guy started in the WRONG gear (?)....
I lost to a S197 in my car ...by buses when we raced from 45 to 80(I stopped racing)...I am a not the greatest driver but I started in 4th at 2800 RPM's(Big mistake). We redid the race this time in 3rd and I walked him hard...... In 2nd it was even worse for him because I pulled to 6500 RPM's and just kept walking.
So point is .......I would suspect the 03 driver lost not the car...
So point is .......I would suspect the 03 driver lost not the car...
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10 cars from 30-100+? Are you sure he was racing? Lol.
I feel double bad for the guy because his girlfriend was in the passenger seat....maybe therein lies the true answer ....hmmmmmm...
Nice errrr slaughter.
Driver issues I would say....Wrong gear would be my best guess...
The 05 Sti I had was 323whp and a 12.7 car... at 280, you should be a 13 flat or so...
The 05 Sti I had was 323whp and a 12.7 car... at 280, you should be a 13 flat or so...
+1, probably wrong gear.
was she fat? :shrug: only way i see this happening lol besides the fact the owner cant drive
lmao..
I've raced 5 different sti set-ups in my 05 gto with 400 rwhp. An 06 with tune, fmic, ported head, and exhaust I won by about 5 cars. The 06 with a 20g I could beat him by 2 cars from a 20 roll and we would be even from a high roll. An 06 with e-85 and full bolt ons we were even until 90 then I would pull away had about 2 cars at the end. An 07 with exhaust, fmic, and tune this one was faster than I expected he could hang til about 90 then I would pull away.
Considering my gto weighs close to 03-04 cobras if the cobra has exhaust and a cai, it should pretty much run even with my gto.
Considering my gto weighs close to 03-04 cobras if the cobra has exhaust and a cai, it should pretty much run even with my gto.
I raced my buddies 06 sti when he had an axle back and an intake. I was bone stock (5spd Mach) did a roll from 15mph and up until 2nd gear we were even, then I just walked on him abit, stopped around 115 (stopping while shifting to 4th gear) and I was atleast 3 cars ahead of him by the time I let off, if not a length more. I love the STIs and would like to have one someday, My bet is that he didnt really know what he was doing. Driver Mod can be a big advantage. Good kill though!
I think shifting has a lot to do with it.. if you granny shift, it really kills your time.. (but if you can't get traction that matters a lot as well) I did some part throttle power shifting yesterday and 1st to 2nd, 2nd to 3rd it would spin.. wasn't till I was 3rd to 4th that I could power shift at WOT and not worry about spinning.. (bounced twice off the rev limiter though) but I don't see a basically stock STI beating a stock well driven Terminator by 10 lengths to 100...
but anyhow.. good kill
but anyhow.. good kill
haha anything can happen on the street, for example, I was out last weekend and some guy in a dodge dakota wanted to race me.. lol right before the light turned green the girl I had with me in the passenger seat decided to grab me to make out. But I made up for it at the next light, even though I shouldn't be racing a dakota... :|
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