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Cliff Notes: SRT8 stock vs 04 terminator stock
SRT: 3 dig wins 1 car length by 1/4
Cobra: 1 roll win, 2-2.5 lengths (Couldn't buy traction with a credit card on stock tires)
Switched drivers, same result. Both of us have raced 10 second vehicles for a few years now so relatively experienced.
Also had a stock auto mach 1 with Weld in mufflers, Challenger and the Terminator beat it by several lengths from dig and roll on the way to cracker barrel
epper:.
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I was curious about this myself, and honestly felt the same way the guys below did, until a couple of days ago, when I lived this experiment live.
If you don't get bored by technical jargon, read on!
Once you get some miles on them, they get faster. I wasn't a believer until I looked at the logs i've been running on our new challenger. If you look at the timing curves from new, to a week ago, to today, it's crazy to see the difference. In the first 1000 miles they won't even spin the tires from a stop, but once you put some miles on them, that changes.
R/Ts I think are a different story. They have VVT and some other things that really make them more Torque motors, where as the SRT-8 behaves more like an LSX style motor (more peak HP).
Dad just got 1300 miles on his SRT8 challenger, and honestly it woke up alot. Seat of the pants told me it was a pretty close race from a dig. So a couple of days ago, I wrangled one of my neighbors to bring out his Screaming Yellow stocker and put it to the test. The guy is a pretty decent driver, and has been 12.90 with the ok air here in FL, so pretty decent for real life. This isn't MIR and Negative 2000DA where Terminators run 12.5@114 stock :lol1:.
From a dig took out the terminator 3 seperate times. Challenger would pull out of the hole due to Cobra tire spin and challenger would hook. 2nd race terminator went from an idle, Challenger went off of converter at about 2000ish, pulled out of the hole by about a car and each time the cobra would start spinning the challenger would start walking away. Cobra wasn't fast enough to reel it back in before the 1/4, but when it hooked up, it closed the distance pretty indicative of it's 5mph+ trap advantage.
However from the roll we did when we left the terminator pulled pretty decent from 40-100 by about 2-3 cars.
This really proves that autos are much better than sticks when it comes to drag racing (especially on street tires). More than it proves a challenger is faster from a dig. However, the two cars are close enough that it's a drivers race, and the Cobra will be the one who decides who wins based on it's launch.
From a roll, the cobra shows it nuts and advantage in trap speed and starts to pull away without issue. I would be interested in taking a 6 speed challenger with the factory 3.91 they started offering this year and see if the result is any different from a roll. Unfortunately I'm fresh out of SRT8s to drive in the garage.
From a dig or a roll even though it's a tank, it murdered my buddies auto mach with a weld in flows.
Relevant observations and opinions:
Mercedes has a better IRS and Launch Control than Ford could buy with all the bailout money in the world :bash: This in stock form is the only thing giving the challenger any advantage. This race will play out differently at a properly prepped I think.
The terminator is the faster car, and when you start modding it, it's all over for the SRT-8, but in stock form, especially against the Auto cars, in the 1/4 it's a drivers race.
The SRT-8 could probably fit several large bodies in the trunk...... While the mustang can't fit a bag of golf clubs in there, they instead decided to actually let you run a wide wheel instead :bowdown::bowdown: thank you ford.
Conclusion:
Drivers Race, Advantage Cobra, but a superior driver could pull out the win in the challenger if the cobra doesn't get out of the hole.
Hopefully people start modding the challengers some. At the track, these would add some variety to the mustang vs camaro, as the majority of street cars are 11-13 second cars. These fit in there nicely.
Interesting but unlikely to matter because most people who buy these will doom them to buying groceries or local car meets:
6.1L Cylinder heads flow like :uh oh: with a 1000 port job from Indy they will make ([email protected], [email protected]) They basically have all the advantages of the 4v heads on the 5.4, but they use a single cam, so you can actually run some lift in the cam.
Too bad it will probably never matter
Cliff Notes: SRT8 stock vs 04 terminator stock
SRT: 3 dig wins 1 car length by 1/4
Cobra: 1 roll win, 2-2.5 lengths (Couldn't buy traction with a credit card on stock tires)
Switched drivers, same result. Both of us have raced 10 second vehicles for a few years now so relatively experienced.
Also had a stock auto mach 1 with Weld in mufflers, Challenger and the Terminator beat it by several lengths from dig and roll on the way to cracker barrel
epper:. ---- End Cliff Notes
I was curious about this myself, and honestly felt the same way the guys below did, until a couple of days ago, when I lived this experiment live.
If you don't get bored by technical jargon, read on!
KWClutch said:
Once you get some miles on them, they get faster. I wasn't a believer until I looked at the logs i've been running on our new challenger. If you look at the timing curves from new, to a week ago, to today, it's crazy to see the difference. In the first 1000 miles they won't even spin the tires from a stop, but once you put some miles on them, that changes.
R/Ts I think are a different story. They have VVT and some other things that really make them more Torque motors, where as the SRT-8 behaves more like an LSX style motor (more peak HP).
Dad just got 1300 miles on his SRT8 challenger, and honestly it woke up alot. Seat of the pants told me it was a pretty close race from a dig. So a couple of days ago, I wrangled one of my neighbors to bring out his Screaming Yellow stocker and put it to the test. The guy is a pretty decent driver, and has been 12.90 with the ok air here in FL, so pretty decent for real life. This isn't MIR and Negative 2000DA where Terminators run 12.5@114 stock :lol1:.
From a dig took out the terminator 3 seperate times. Challenger would pull out of the hole due to Cobra tire spin and challenger would hook. 2nd race terminator went from an idle, Challenger went off of converter at about 2000ish, pulled out of the hole by about a car and each time the cobra would start spinning the challenger would start walking away. Cobra wasn't fast enough to reel it back in before the 1/4, but when it hooked up, it closed the distance pretty indicative of it's 5mph+ trap advantage.
However from the roll we did when we left the terminator pulled pretty decent from 40-100 by about 2-3 cars.
This really proves that autos are much better than sticks when it comes to drag racing (especially on street tires). More than it proves a challenger is faster from a dig. However, the two cars are close enough that it's a drivers race, and the Cobra will be the one who decides who wins based on it's launch.
From a roll, the cobra shows it nuts and advantage in trap speed and starts to pull away without issue. I would be interested in taking a 6 speed challenger with the factory 3.91 they started offering this year and see if the result is any different from a roll. Unfortunately I'm fresh out of SRT8s to drive in the garage.
From a dig or a roll even though it's a tank, it murdered my buddies auto mach with a weld in flows.
Relevant observations and opinions:
Mercedes has a better IRS and Launch Control than Ford could buy with all the bailout money in the world :bash: This in stock form is the only thing giving the challenger any advantage. This race will play out differently at a properly prepped I think.
The terminator is the faster car, and when you start modding it, it's all over for the SRT-8, but in stock form, especially against the Auto cars, in the 1/4 it's a drivers race.
The SRT-8 could probably fit several large bodies in the trunk...... While the mustang can't fit a bag of golf clubs in there, they instead decided to actually let you run a wide wheel instead :bowdown::bowdown: thank you ford.
Conclusion:
Drivers Race, Advantage Cobra, but a superior driver could pull out the win in the challenger if the cobra doesn't get out of the hole.
Hopefully people start modding the challengers some. At the track, these would add some variety to the mustang vs camaro, as the majority of street cars are 11-13 second cars. These fit in there nicely.
Interesting but unlikely to matter because most people who buy these will doom them to buying groceries or local car meets:
6.1L Cylinder heads flow like :uh oh: with a 1000 port job from Indy they will make ([email protected], [email protected]) They basically have all the advantages of the 4v heads on the 5.4, but they use a single cam, so you can actually run some lift in the cam.
Too bad it will probably never matter
