Question about dyno vs mail order tunes TVS

[Dynobrat]

Hello. This is my second post on the forum. I am a new member. I wanted to get some feedback regarding custom dyno tuning and a mail order tune.

I'm in Ontario, Canada and had a stock 10 Shelby until about less than a week ago.

I installed a 2014 new takeoff factory TVS with the 65mm dual cj throttle body and jlt 123mm intake along with magnaflow hi flow catted x pipe.

I got a "start up tune" via email from Steeda.ca so I could at least drive the car (staying out of boost ). I have trouble codes but I am not posting this to talk about those issues, in part because it is more than likely tune related.

So the point of this thread is to ask how many people have slapped the TVS on their cars and run the car solely with an email tune? Is it really wise to just get a dynotune? Can I rely on an email tune?

The reason I ask is because I learned today that I'd be looking at a thousand dollars by the time I factor in the dyno, smoke test and exhaust fitting for the dyno and travel costs.

I am not trying to cheap out but I do hate giving money away. I don't know everything but these are not major component swaps these are bolt ons that should run consistenly the same with every other parts all things equal.

I was quoted 4 hours labour by a reputable speed shop to do the tvs swap and a guy from this forum helped and did it in under two. So these types of things irritate me. We work for our money why lie saying it takes four hours just because you're a business who needs to make money? Do more work and earn your money lol.

So yeah, I am considering a Lund or VMP email tune and scratch the dynotune if I can get enough feedback saying that I shouldn't worry. If I have to just eat sour candy and give my money away so I don't blow the car up I guess I'll have to. I just hate waiting for it to be tuned and safe. Not being able to get into the throttle is no fun.

 

[GT Premi]

This is a hotly contested area. Those that have custom dyno tunes will swear by them and insist that a custom dyno tune is practically mandatory. There are a LOT of us running "email" tunes. I'm running a canned tune with mine. I have the Ford Racing 750HP Whipple kit with the SCJ oval throttle body. I have not had any type of custom dyno tuning done. I'm running a tune from VMP. Haven't had a problem with it. This isn't the '90s. Reputable aftermarket tuners have pretty much nailed Mustang tuning. In the rare cases when you hear of an engine being blown, it's more often than not on a car with a bad "custom" dyno tune. I've not heard or read a single post about Lund, VMP, et al grenading someone's engine.

Also, unless you're racing for titles and prizes and need to get every last nth out of your engine, a custom dyno tune is pretty much superfluous for the average Joe. That's my opinion.

 

[MattR]

VMP for TVS, done.

 

[Kenneth]

VMP for TVS, done.

This right here, without a doubt.

 

[VNMOUS1]

I like my VMP tune a lot

 

[scotsam]

You will be fine with a vmp or Lund tune. You will leave a little on the table but it would be marginal. The11 and up cars are easier being that they have wide band o2 sensors. I believe vmp are the guys for tvs's. But no doubt you will be happy with either.

 

[ShelbyGT5HUN]

I started a thread just like this a few months ago.

The overwhelming response was that an email tune is very reliable, and a dyno tune is not a requirement. You are getting the experience of a shop's knowledge of tuning many many cars, and this information is added to their database. The way I thought about it is this way. All GT500s came with a "canned" tune from Ford! Every ECU was flashed with a general tune that applied to every car. Imagine if Ford had to dyno tune every new car before sending it out. So all that being said, I don't see any negatives in going with an emailed tune.

Another fact. The SCT Tuner has the ability to datalog. When you get an emailed tune, you can request them to look at datalogs from your specific car, and they can look for anomalies. I didn't know that a few months ago.

 

[scotsam]

I started a thread just like this a few months ago.

The overwhelming response was that an email tune is very reliable, and a dyno tune is not a requirement. You are getting the experience of a shop's knowledge of tuning many many cars, and this information is added to their database. The way I thought about it is this way. All GT500s came with a "canned" tune from Ford! Every ECU was flashed with a general tune that applied to every car. Imagine if Ford had to dyno tune every new car before sending it out. So all that being said, I don't see any negatives in going with an emailed tune.

Another fact. The SCT Tuner has the ability to datalog. When you get an emailed tune, you can request them to look at datalogs from your specific car, and they can look for anomalies. I didn't know that a few months ago.

That's the nice thing about the 2011+ cars they have widebands. That's what they use when they dyno tune. But like you said a canned tune is more than fine.

 

[CodyK7]

I run a VMP email tune and its flawless. Uploaded and took it out for and got into all kinds of boost.

 

[shelby2]

I hear VMP and Lund are great, had an email tune from another vendor first 2 tunes were great but when I upgraded to headers and JLT big air, the tune had problems and was never right. I had SWARR automotive do a DYNO tune when the installed my Whipple 2.9 and some other stuff such as engine lower mounts. The tune took almost an Hour and all parameters were corrected. Love it and drives AWSOME! I think if you start to go wild with mods, fuel system,headers and cats and exhaust,blower,CIA, injectors, rails, cooling so forth it would be wise to get a DYNO tune or a remote tune from A really good tuner such as VMP or Lund. In your case I would call VMP they seem to be the go to guys when it comes to TVS with the GT500's
Mark:read:

 

[brian98svtsnake]

If I read this two years ago when I went from a 98 Cobra to an 08 GT500 I would tell you to go with a dyno tune but I've learned a lot about these cars in the last two years and can tell you it's safe to trust an "email" tune. If your trying to squeeze every last horse out of her then yes I would say dyno tune but the vendors here can probably get you safely within 15 rwhp of what you'd get from a dyno tune at 1/4 of the price.

 

[slowbra1]

VMP for TVS, done.

Co-Sign Justin has the tuning down to an art like black magic or something.

 

[CodyK7]

Co-Sign Justin has the tuning down to an art like black magic or something.

It's witchcraft I tell you!!!!

 

[Dynobrat]

Haha, alright. Thanks. I think I will strongly consider VMP since my intent is a 2.4 pulley.

So many speed shops say different things, this is my first supercharged car so there is a learning curve. I was told I needed a bap, I was recommended to upgrade fuel pumps instead (I am going that route with Aeromotive 11165 because I trust the source) not dismissing the bap setup but think it would be more wise and cost effective.

But really at the end of the day all these specialists tell you different things and here I am not knowing what to do. I was told dyno is a must (today!) on the phone because ten different cars with the same setup all respond a different way etc. And all I want is a strong running safe car to have fun with while continuously making better. But thanks for the replies I appreciate it.

I am driving to Toronto tomorrow to buy some stock mufflers. Corsa Sport plus Magnaflow hi flow catted x-pipe sounds really good up until 3,000rpm but after that it is just awful. Haha. Way way way too raspy and obnoxiously loud. Hopefully the stockers will tone it down to normal civilization.

If anyone in Canada (or the US for my American friends) is looking for Corsa Sport axleback I will be selling them very soon for a good price. (Make an offer - fit 2010). May fit other years but I don't want to say for sure since I don't know 100%

 

[CodyK7]

Haha, alright. Thanks. I think I will strongly consider VMP since my intent is a 2.4 pulley.

So many speed shops say different things, this is my first supercharged car so there is a learning curve. I was told I needed a bap, I was recommended to upgrade fuel pumps instead (I am going that route with Aeromotive 11165 because I trust the source) not dismissing the bap setup but think it would be more wise and cost effective.

But really at the end of the day all these specialists tell you different things and here I am not knowing what to do. I was told dyno is a must (today!) on the phone because ten different cars with the same setup all respond a different way etc. And all I want is a strong running safe car to have fun with while continuously making better. But thanks for the replies I appreciate it.

I am driving to Toronto tomorrow to buy some stock mufflers. Corsa Sport plus Magnaflow hi flow catted x-pipe sounds really good up until 3,000rpm but after that it is just awful. Haha. Way way way too raspy and obnoxiously loud. Hopefully the stockers will tone it down to normal civilization.

If anyone in Canada (or the US for my American friends) is looking for Corsa Sport axleback I will be selling them very soon for a good price. (Make an offer - fit 2010). May fit other years but I don't want to say for sure since I don't know 100%

You might not need either. What setup are you planning on running?

 

[2006YellowGT]

Both my VMP mail ordered tune and my VMP dyno tune were perfect.