Mach 1 vs. S2000

[ralvarez]

There are a handful that managed 13.6's out of their stock S2000's. I used to be a member at S2KI.com

interesting how no one in this thread was able to break into the 13's
S2KI - S2000 Forums -> Official S2000 0-60/ 1/4 mile times

the best time i found for a stock s2000 was a 13.98
here's the link
2002 s2000, stock- 13.98

Stock 2002 Honda S2000 1/4 mile Drag Racing timeslip specs 0-60 - DragTimes.com

2005 honda s2000, exhaust- 13.96

2005 Honda S2000 w/ exhaust 1/4 mile trap speeds 0-60 - DragTimes.com

 

[carrrnuttt]

interesting how no one in this thread was able to break into the 13's
S2KI - S2000 Forums -> Official S2000 0-60/ 1/4 mile times

the best time i found for a stock s2000 was a 13.98
here's the link
2002 s2000, stock- 13.98

Stock 2002 Honda S2000 1/4 mile Drag Racing timeslip specs 0-60 - DragTimes.com

2005 honda s2000, exhaust- 13.96

2005 Honda S2000 w/ exhaust 1/4 mile trap speeds 0-60 - DragTimes.com

Jesus H. Christmas. The lengths people go to, to justify their ignorance. :rollseyes

You looked in the wrong places, kemo-sabe:

First, here's the timeslip thread:
S2KI - S2000 Forums -> stock/near stock 1/4 mile times

Then here's the list you missed:
Honda S2000 1/4 Mile Drag Racing Timeslips - DragTimes.com

Here's the top four:
13.648
13.720
13.750
13.808

 

[SVTullio]

S2k was probably running a very basic turbo kit, low boosting on pump gas. I have run into a few turbo hondas and some of them are no joke whatsoever.

I recently ran a 440whp (mustang dyno) Acura RSX. He has a stock motor, with a GT35R turbo, fuel system, hondata engine management, boosting around 17psi on 91 octane. It was quite close, I managed to pull about a car length by 130. He is expecting over 550whp on a c16 tune with 22psi.

I posted a thread and videos from that run, but dont want to hijack this thread.

Turbo Hondas can be deadly.

 

[bigjohnson4.6gt]

this topic kind of exploded haha. I'd give the guy props cause it looked really good, id consider rocking it, it did move out pretty good and the turbo sounded mint. I believe that I could have had him if my governor didnt kick in, but i'll never know for sure.

 

[01fordcobra]

I think they are around 10.5-11:1 compression. My buddy has a S2000 cr. Still with my stock 01 Cobra I could beat him. Was kinda hard, it really is a drivers race between them. They just weigh so much less. With my mods I have now there is no way he can beat me. I've got a stronger high end than he does.

 

[exdeath]

That's why you get thicker headgaskets--to lower the compression.

And add free detonation from lack of quench.

 

[exdeath]

Turbo Hondas can be deadly.

So are turbo Terminators and rocket propelled shopping carts :bash:

Running 30 psi and needing C16, nitrous, and methanol to make 550 WHP it isn't exactly a daily driven street car, I don't care if the engine is stock or not.

Boost and pump gas if you want to be considered in the street car class IMO.

When you start adding race gas and needing a day to prep the damn car for a spontaneous race that's only good for 4 10 second runs before detuning back to 14s, you might as well give the other guy time to build and trailer a top fuel funny car. Hey it's a stock Hemi block after all.

Anything that needs more than 91 octane *street gas* isn't a *street car* and at that point anything you want to bring, be it solid rocket boosters, is game. Or just egg them on until their bottles are empty and they are back to their street tune with 1/4 the power and see what they can do the other 99% of the time you're likely to run into them when they don't have 3 weeks to prep

On average most true street drivable pump gas 4 cyls are typically in the 400 WHP range before things start getting out of hand. Nothing against 4 bangers, I'm particularly fond the 3SGTE myself, but when you consider anyone else going through those lengths on anything but a 4 cyl they would be rolling around with 1500+ RWHP... turbo Honda not so deadly anymore.

Though from what I've been seeing the Hondata stuff is fun and easy to tune. Real time ROM emulator FTW.

 

[exdeath]

Not sure where I was going with my little rant there, it's just something that bugs me when people list everything short of solid rocket boosters on *ANY* car and say "watch out they *can* be fast". Makes me want to slap myself in the face and scream "DUHHHH".

 

[Red Poison]

S2k was probably running a very basic turbo kit, low boosting on pump gas. I have run into a few turbo hondas and some of them are no joke whatsoever.

I recently ran a 440whp (mustang dyno) Acura RSX. He has a stock motor, with a GT35R turbo, fuel system, hondata engine management, boosting around 17psi on 91 octane. It was quite close, I managed to pull about a car length by 130. He is expecting over 550whp on a c16 tune with 22psi.

I posted a thread and videos from that run, but dont want to hijack this thread.

Turbo Hondas can be deadly.

+1

I ran a s2000 up from 50-130 and I put 1.5 cars on him and from there he hung all the way to 130. Convertible, with rag top removed, gutted, race seats, carbon fiber hood and trunk, gt35 turbo pushing 426hp to the ground.

They can be fast. Funny story though... we were returning from a local spot and it started pouring! Poor kid had to drive 20+ miles in the rain with his girl in the passenger seat! They were soaked.

 

[97desertCobra]

+1

I ran a s2000 up from 50-130 and I put 1.5 cars on him and from there he hung all the way to 130. Convertible, with rag top removed, gutted, race seats, carbon fiber hood and trunk, gt35 turbo pushing 426hp to the ground.

They can be fast. Funny story though... we were returning from a local spot and it started pouring! Poor kid had to drive 20+ miles in the rain with his girl in the passenger seat! They were soaked.

Wow all that to still lose to a bolt on and ported 03 Cobra. Plus he has a gutted car, spent more $$$, interior soaked, girl soaked(worse really because now shes pissed!)..........all this = EPIC FAIL.

 

[Red Poison]

Wow all that to still lose to a bolt on and ported 03 Cobra. Plus he has a gutted car, spent more $$$, interior soaked, girl soaked(worse really because now shes pissed!)..........all this = EPIC FAIL.

:lol: :thumbsup: sucks for him

Agreed. I just hate losing... especially to a "lower" (yall know what the hell I mean) grade car. I don't get into "You spent $xxxx...", "You removed (diet)...", "if I had...(this mod/that mod)" or "if we start from...(roll/dig)" if I lose. Personally, if I take participate in a race and lose, I LOST! You'll never hear anything else about it but acknowledgement of said outcome.

Thats why whom ever I'm up against, from a dig, roll, around turns... whatever, they get full capability of my go pedal.

 

[SVTullio]

So are turbo Terminators and rocket propelled shopping carts :bash:

Running 30 psi and needing C16, nitrous, and methanol to make 550 WHP it isn't exactly a daily driven street car, I don't care if the engine is stock or not.

Boost and pump gas if you want to be considered in the street car class IMO.

When you start adding race gas and needing a day to prep the damn car for a spontaneous race that's only good for 4 10 second runs before detuning back to 14s, you might as well give the other guy time to build and trailer a top fuel funny car. Hey it's a stock Hemi block after all.

Anything that needs more than 91 octane *street gas* isn't a *street car* and at that point anything you want to bring, be it solid rocket boosters, is game. Or just egg them on until their bottles are empty and they are back to their street tune with 1/4 the power and see what they can do the other 99% of the time you're likely to run into them when they don't have 3 weeks to prep

On average most true street drivable pump gas 4 cyls are typically in the 400 WHP range before things start getting out of hand. Nothing against 4 bangers, I'm particularly fond the 3SGTE myself, but when you consider anyone else going through those lengths on anything but a 4 cyl they would be rolling around with 1500+ RWHP... turbo Honda not so deadly anymore.

Though from what I've been seeing the Hondata stuff is fun and easy to tune. Real time ROM emulator FTW.

I was merely responding to the guys saying that they are never gonna worry about a 4cyl honda.

I could pick apart your post and say that 93, and 100 octane are available readily at the pump and street cars use them all the time. Hell when I had a stage 2 SRT4, I only used 100 octane. That was a daily driven, street car. Took me to work everyday, to the store when I needed stuff, on road trips, etc.

I should also mention the honda I was talking about is daily driven on 91 gas running 17 psi making 440whp on a mustang dyno. He isnt running the rocket boosters, nitrous, or methanol you mentioned. Just a nice sized GT35R turbo, a proper fuel system, and a great tune with good engine management. Daily driven.

His best time to date is 11.8 @ 123mph. Not a crazy fast time, especially for the terminator, corvette, forced induction crowd here. Just realize our track here is a 5000 DA, our dry desert air isnt friendly to performance cars.

No one mentioned a car that needed a week to prep, or that was only good for a couple runs until it needed a rebuild. But since you mention it, I have seen way more domestics that fit this category.

Your argument that anything can be made fast is valid, but your making it seem like we're talking about fully prepped race cars here.

 

[exdeath]

I was merely responding to the guys saying that they are never gonna worry about a 4cyl honda.

I could pick apart your post and say that 93, and 100 octane are available readily at the pump and street cars use them all the time. Hell when I had a stage 2 SRT4, I only used 100 octane. That was a daily driven, street car. Took me to work everyday, to the store when I needed stuff, on road trips, etc.

I should also mention the honda I was talking about is daily driven on 91 gas running 17 psi making 440whp on a mustang dyno. He isnt running the rocket boosters, nitrous, or methanol you mentioned. Just a nice sized GT35R turbo, a proper fuel system, and a great tune with good engine management. Daily driven.

His best time to date is 11.8 @ 123mph. Not a crazy fast time, especially for the terminator, corvette, forced induction crowd here. Just realize our track here is a 5000 DA, our dry desert air isnt friendly to performance cars.

No one mentioned a car that needed a week to prep, or that was only good for a couple runs until it needed a rebuild. But since you mention it, I have seen way more domestics that fit this category.

Your argument that anything can be made fast is valid, but your making it seem like we're talking about fully prepped race cars here.

Yeah I went off on some sort of retarded rant there...

11.8 and 440 WHP on pump gas is cool. But there are lots of nice cars that can be made to run high 11s so I wouldn't consider that out of the ordinary, Honda or not.

What I get tired of people playing the extreme and exaggerating. "Not all Hondas are slouches" and post some ridiculous drag build running 60 psi or something that happens to have a stock unibody and not a tubular frame. Like the 8 second Supra's on "stock 2JZ" which are in actuality fully built $20,000 Titan 3.4 stroker bottom ends

Really though I have some kind of pet peeve with "street cars" that requires that the vehicle be a daily driver that can run on common pump gas. Having to truck in fuel from out of state or drive 15 miles out of the way every other day to the only place that sells 100 octane or refills nitrous or meth bottles isn't really a "street car" imo.

It's the same thing as liquid nitrogen or dry ice on a overclocked PC that only lasts a few minutes and with extreme glitches; you might impress somebody with big numbers or beat them in a benchmark by technicality but nobody actually *uses* their PC like that.

100 octane is not universally available, you are extremely lucky. If you were to roll through Tucson you'd be caught with your pants down with your low boost 91 octane tune, and that's what I don't like. I like the performance to be there all the time and not contingent on logistics or the phase of the moon. A "600 HP" car that is sometimes a 650 HP car but sometimes a 350 HP car just pisses me off for some reason. What is it? :bash:

My comment about prepping was a snark about another road kill post where someone tried to organize a race for two people wanting to run him, and the other two would be participants held out and said they weren't ready and were doing something with their meth or nitrous. Screw that. Get in your car, turn the key, and press the accelerator, or it's not a street car.

 

[ponygt65]

'Eh....whatever. I put S2000's in with Civic's and Accord's under the: "If I see a guy driving it, I'm shocked because it's a total 'girl' car" catagory.

:shrug: I'm sure they can be quick, but so can Pinto's. Gotta draw the line somewhere and my line gets drawn when people take a road course built car and use it for drag racing only thinking their shit don't stink. :nonono:

 

[ponygt65]

Yes. They also have carbon-fiber reinforced cylinder walls. All somewhat necessary when designing a motor that is rated to rev to 9000 on a daily basis.

Tell that to the designers of the K-code Hipo 289 motor. That was a race intended built short bock to race at 8+k rpms from teh factory.

No forged internals. :shrug:

 

[C5Convertible]

To each their own, but I think S2000's are girls cars :bored:

Turbo'd and can't beat a bolt on AUTO mustang? :lol:

 

[carrrnuttt]

Tell that to the designers of the K-code Hipo 289 motor. That was a race intended built short bock to race at 8+k rpms from teh factory.

No forged internals. :shrug:

It's not just about RPM. The S2000 has the fastest piston speed of ANY mass-produced, production motor. That list also includes supercars AND superbikes.

Imagine trying to achieve that, while preserving the reliability your company's known for. So you try and make the motor as bulletproof as you can afford to.

Here's the list, of you're interested:

1. Honda S2000:
Engine Code: F20C1
Bore/Stroke: 3.43" X 3.31"
Redline: 9000rpm
Piston Speed: 4965 Ft/min

2. Lamborghini Gallardo
Engine Code: N/A
Bore/Stroke: 3.25" X 3.65"
Redline: 8000rpm
Piston Speed: 4866.67 Ft/min

3. Acura Integra Type R
Engine Code: B18C5
Bore/Stroke: 3.19" X 3.43"
Redline: 8400rpm
Piston Speed: 4802 Ft/min

4. BMW M3 (Germany)
Engine Code: S54
Bore/Stroke: 3.43" X 3.58"
Redline: 8000rpm
Piston Speed: 4773.33 Ft/min

5. Honda S2000 2004
Engine Code: F22C
Bore/Stroke: 3.43" X 3.57"
Redline: 8000rpm
Piston Speed: 4760 Ft/min

6. Honda Integra Type R (JDM)
Engine Code: K20A
Bore/Stroke: 3.39" X 3.39"
Redline: 8400rpm
Piston Speed: 4746 Ft/min

7. Acura Integra GSR 2001
Engine Code: B18C
Bore/Stroke: 3.19" X 3.43"
Redline: 8200rpm
Piston Speed: 4687.67 Ft/min

8. Saleen S7
Engine Code: N/A
Bore/Stroke: 4.13" X 4.00"
Redline: 7000rpm
Piston Speed: 4666.67 Ft/min

9. Acura TSX
Engine Code: K24A2
Bore/Stroke: 3.43" X 3.90"
Redline: 7100rpm
Piston Speed: 4615 Ft/min

10. Suzuki Hayabusa Sport Prototype
Engine Code: W701
Bore/Stroke: 3.19" X 2.48"
Redline: 11000rpm
Piston Speed: 4546.67 Ft/min

11. Honda Civic Type R
Engine Code: B16B
Bore/Stroke: 3.19" X 3.03"
Redline: 9000rpm
Piston Speed: 4545 Ft/min

12. Toyota Celica GTS / Matrix XRS 2001
Engine Code: 2ZZ-GE
Bore/Stroke: 3.23" X 3.35"
Redline: 8100rpm
Piston Speed: 4522.5 Ft/min

13. Honda Prelude Type S (JDM)
Engine Code: H22A
Bore/Stroke: 3.43" X 3.57"
Redline: 7500rpm
Piston Speed: 4462.5 Ft/min

14. Acura RSX Type S
Engine Code: K20A2
Bore/Stroke: 3.38" X 3.38"
Redline: 7900rpm
Piston Speed: 4450.33 Ft/min

15. Ferrari 360 Modena (incl. Challenge, Stradale, etc)
Engine Code: N/A
Bore/Stroke: 3.35" X 3.11"
Redline: 8500rpm
Piston Speed: 4405.83 Ft/min

16. Lamborghini Murcielago
Engine Code: N/A
Bore/Stroke: 3.43" X 3.42"
Redline: 7600rpm
Piston Speed: 4332 Ft/min

17. McLaren F1
Engine Code: N/A (BMW V12)
Bore/Stroke: 3.39" X 3.43"
Redline: 7500rpm
Piston Speed: 4287.5 Ft/min

18. Renault Clio 2.0 RS 2003
Engine Code: F4R
Bore/Stroke: 3.26" X 3.66"
Redline: 7000rpm
Piston Speed: 4270 Ft/min

19. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 2004
Engine Code: N/A
Bore/Stroke: 3.94" X 3.01"
Redline: 8500rpm
Piston Speed: 4264.17 Ft/min

20. Pagani Zonda C12S
Engine Code: M120 7.3 AMG
Bore/Stroke: 3.6" X 3.64"
Redline: 7000rpm
Piston Speed: 4246.67 Ft/min

21. Peugeot 206RC 2004
Engine Code: EW10 J4 S
Bore/Stroke: 3.35" X 3.46"
Redline: 7300rpm
Piston Speed: 4209.67 Ft/min

22. Porsche Carrera GT
Engine Code: N/A
Bore/Stroke: 3.86" X 2.99"
Redline: 8400rpm
Piston Speed: 4186 Ft/min

23. Acura NSX-T
Engine Code: C32B
Bore/Stroke: 3.66" X 3.07"
Redline: 8000rpm
Piston Speed: 4093.33 Ft/min

24. BMW M5 2002
Engine Code: S62
Bore/Stroke: 3.70" X 3.50"
Redline: 7000rpm
Piston Speed: 4083.33 Ft/min

25. BMW M5 E60
Engine Code: S65 (?)
Bore/Stroke: 3.62" X 2.96"
Redline: 8250rpm
Piston Speed: 4070 Ft/min

26. Nissan Primera W20V
Engine Code: N/A
Bore/Stroke: 3.39" X 3.39"
Redline: 7200rpm
Piston Speed: 4068 Ft/min

27. Ferrari Enzo
Engine Code: F140
Bore/Stroke: 3.62" X 2.96"
Redline: 8000rpm
Piston Speed: 3946.67 Ft/min

28. Ferrari 575 Maranello
Engine Code: 650 V21
Bore/Stroke: 3.50" X 3.03"
Redline: 7750rpm
Piston Speed: 3913.75 Ft/min

 

[exdeath]

If you let a car determine your masculinity, it's too late. You already have a vagina between your legs.

 

[Deuuuce]

It's not just about RPM. The S2000 has the fastest piston speed of ANY mass-produced, production motor. That list also includes supercars AND superbikes.

Imagine trying to achieve that, while preserving the reliability your company's known for. So you try and make the motor as bulletproof as you can afford to.

Here's the list, of you're interested:

A ZX-6R hp peak is at 13,890rpm. The bike you listed has a large motor for a sportbike. Does it still hold true?

 

[ponygt65]

It's not just about RPM. The S2000 has the fastest piston speed of ANY mass-produced, production motor. That list also includes supercars AND superbikes.

Imagine trying to achieve that, while preserving the reliability your company's known for. So you try and make the motor as bulletproof as you can afford to.

Here's the list, of you're interested:

I was merely refering to your comment of needed forged internals to last at that high of an rpm. That's all. It was accomplished without forged internals 40+ years ago.:shrug:

I take nothing away from Honda's design of that motor with the only exception of needing high RPMS to make any power with next to no torque. that's a norm for imports; generally speaking.