I've Dragraced 7sec bikes but...

[FJohnny]

You’re eluding to common sense and right vs wrong.

In my opinion, the Isle of Mann situation is right. Everyone knows what they are doing and risking.

Conversely, with the ********** lawyers and courts in the US, a thief can sue you for getting hurt while breaking into your house. Waivers hardly mean anything here and regardless, a lawyer will take your money to sue XYZ knowing you won’t win. The defending lawyer will charge the shit out of the corporation/business/whoever but is likely getting paid by the liability insurance policy.

I'm with you on this. Personal responsibility is becoming an endangered species. You watch those street racing vids where people crowd the sides of the road at about the halfway mark while pro-mods thunder by. You take your chances.

But, like you say, even the burglar of your home now thinks you owe him a safe and happy break in. Go figure! I don't get it at all. You are probably okay in court if you shoot him dead but God forbid he slips in some spilled milk on your kitchen floor!

Lesson: If you find an injured thief in your home it may be the smart move to just finish him off and then plead the fifth when questioned.

 

[Revvv]

There are very few things I would put my life at risk for. Racing at Isle is not one of them. I’m not saying it isn’t cool...because it is amazing...but I hate to watch something when there is such a high likelihood of someone’s life coming to an end. To me, racing there is as crazy as running with the bulls. No thanks.

No one ever said I was not a little off. Add in that every risk must be weighed and calculated. I don't gamble unless I am fairly certain I know the outcome.

My worst fear running the TT would be someone falling into the road in front of me. You can train for the course, but people and animals are not predictable.

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[Revvv]

Are you forgetting the poor bastard who has to hook a couple of garden hoses together so it can reach the rock wall in front of his house? Someone has to clean up the mess when a guy hits.

What is amazing is how loosely the whole event is run. Bystanders, marshals and you name it are wandering around in easy strike distance. The people watching seem to not even be able to see the bikes approaching they are coming so fast. And yet like someone said, you could reach out and touch one.

One article online said over 270 racers killed so far. Speeds in excess of 200 mph. Imagine the lawsuits and awards that would result in an America. The court only wants the complainant to prove that the danger was reasonably foreseeable. How could you look at that and not foresee some danger? They can get the racer to sign a waiver but the spectators would make a fortune for their survivors.

Now I really want to go see it as well. But I might stand a few feet farther back than some...

Good leathers and a helmet keep everything contained. Sick thought, but true.

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[CobraBob]

Too old to be that stupid, but not smart enough to avoid it.

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LOL! So hard to be in the middle there. I watched the video again and I'm just amazed at the steel balls and skillz needed.

 

[Revvv]

Ha ha. You're right. The guy with the wall could rent it out and actually make a cool profit. Agree. I have to laugh, though. It's like arguing with my wife. Any random example gets taken apart and an unlikely exception is offered up to prove once again that I'm an idiot. I'm pretty used to it, so no offense taken.

To clarify, I was simply trying to point out that there is always someone who is affected by every event. It never affects ONLY the participants. From the small effects like the guy who wanted to move that day but couldn't use the only access road because of the race (no sympathy for him, good of many outweighs good of the 1) to the larger effects like how the wife and 6 kids will cope when the sole earner father is killed as a spectator (much sympathy for them). And if he paid for admittance and was recommended that spot (blind spot on outside of corner, riders airborne) as a good viewing location by the organizers who are taking his money then you better believe a US court would be even more sympathetic. The organizers, with their greater knowledge of what a race is all about and the potential dangers involved owe a duty of care to the spectator.

Not debating the right or wrong of the game. Just that it couldn't happen in the US because these duties of care tend to be much more vehemently enforced.


Lol. I chose a poor example and paid the price. Hope this one slides by.

I live in Augusta, GA. Home of the Masters (large billiard game played on grass if you ask me). One week a year the traffic sucks more than usual, and we have streets filled with visitors. It is great for the economy, but sucks for the residents.

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[Revvv]

I'm with you on this. Personal responsibility is becoming an endangered species. You watch those street racing vids where people crowd the sides of the road at about the halfway mark while pro-mods thunder by. You take your chances.

But, like you say, even the burglar of your home now thinks you owe him a safe and happy break in. Go figure! I don't get it at all. You are probably okay in court if you shoot him dead but God forbid he slips in some spilled milk on your kitchen floor!

Lesson: If you find an injured thief in your home it may be the smart move to just finish him off and then plead the fifth when questioned.

I was told by an officer and a judge once that a dead thief can't testify.

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[Revvv]

LOL! So hard to be in the middle there. I watched the video again and I'm just amazed at the steel balls and skillz needed.
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My 18 and 15 year old kids think I'm nuts at times. I am a speed junky. If it can be raced, I think it needs to be.

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[PaxtonShelby]

I live in Augusta, GA. Home of the Masters (large billiard game played on grass if you ask me). One week a year the traffic sucks more than usual, and we have streets filled with visitors. It is great for the economy, but sucks for the residents.

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I’d much rather play Augusta than race the Isle. . Not 100% sure I’d survive either though!

 

[oldmachguy]

Just watched. Jesus.

That chick at the beginning, “That is insane. That is insane. That’s mental.” (And I’m not sure, but I thought a couple of off-camera voices near the beginning had American accents.)

The change in engine note as they get light over even a slight crest, or going through that slight dog leg compression for that matter.

The 180 mph 3- and 4-bike caravans.

Even though the turns aren’t blind at posted speeds, they are at race speed. Like someone just posted, they’re obviously pitching their bikes into many of the corners solely by memory.

Somehow the grandfather in me doesn’t like the idea of one of those kids seeing a rider bounce off a brick or stone wall.

And the sidecars. F that. Those guys all need to be committed for a few years.

Definitely the craziest race on the planet.

 

[Revvv]

I’d much rather play Augusta than race the Isle. . Not 100% sure I’d survive either though!

I'm not a golfer. My idea of golf is finding someone with a pitching wedge. If they can give a good arc to the ball, it makes a great shotgun target.

Golf balls on a tee a 100 yards is the perfect 22 target.

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[Revvv]

Just watched. Jesus.

That chick at the beginning, “That is insane. That is insane. That’s mental.” (And I’m not sure, but I thought a couple of off-camera voices near the beginning had American accents.)

The change in engine note as they get light over even a slight crest, or going through that slight dog leg compression for that matter.

The 180 mph 3- and 4-bike caravans.

Even though the turns aren’t blind at posted speeds, they are at race speed. Like someone just posted, they’re obviously pitching their bikes into many of the corners solely by memory.

Somehow the grandfather in me doesn’t like the idea of one of those kids seeing a rider bounce off a brick or stone wall.

And the sidecars. F that. Those guys all need to be committed for a few years.

Definitely the craziest race on the planet.

Are you saying you want to ride in one of the cars? Hahaha. Joking.

I have no issues on a bike, but I'm not going to be a ballast on a side car. No thanks.

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[jeffh81]

Id run it on a 250. They have all different classes to run. Even the electric bikes get a taste

 

[Revvv]

Id run it on a 250. They have all different classes to run. Even the electric bikes get a taste

Come on, you have to run a liter bike.

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[jeffh81]

Come on, you have to run a liter bike.

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Never even been on a liter bike.

 

[jeffh81]

Supposedly when they go from sunlight to the shade there is a significant drop in temps in some areas that screws with the tire heat.

 

[Revvv]

Never even been on a liter bike.

They are a lot of fun.

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[jeffh81]

They are a lot of fun.

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Yeah all the guy i rode with either had them before or currently did. SOB are stupid fast. My 600 was fast by my standards. I rode a couple of piped and tuned harleys. They were a blast with all that torque

 

[MG0h3]

Never even been on a liter bike.

Rode dirt my whole life. Decided I was gonna get a crotch rocket so I got a ride 2 hrs to San Diego and was dropped off out front hahah. They carried the big 4 and tried to sell me a 600 as a starter bike. No thanks. Rattled off the details of each bike and said the 10R was the most violent and should be my last choice. I’ll take it!

Did some work on my buddies 6R and took it for a spin after. Felt like a damn moped. Was so happy I got the litre.

Thing would hit 165 by the end of a long on ramp.

Tune, pipe, -1 up front. They do @100mph in first gear with the stock sprocket setup.


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[jeffh81]

Rode dirt my whole life. Decided I was gonna get a crotch rocket so I got a ride 2 hrs to San Diego and was dropped off out front hahah. They carried the big 4 and tried to sell me a 600 as a starter bike. No thanks. Rattled off the details of each bike and said the 10R was the most violent and should be my last choice. I’ll take it!

Did some work on my buddies 6R and took it for a spin after. Felt like a damn moped. Was so happy I got the litre.

Thing would hit 165 by the end of a long on ramp.

Tune, pipe, -1 up front. They do @100mph in first gear with the stock sprocket setup.


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Truth is very few people can fully exploit a 600 to its full potential.

 

[MG0h3]

Truth is very few people can fully exploit a 600 to its full potential.

Well ya if you’re hauling ass around corners and stuff it’s better. But I never tracked mine and riding like that on the street is probably the most dangerous in my opinion. Rocks, oil/debris on the toad etc.


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