Illegal Immigration - SB 2611

Modular4vFox

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How do you all feel about the new Senate Bill... SB 2611 (Amnesty to Illegals)?

Personally, it makes me sick...
http://host-files.com//show.php/925_IllegalImmigrants.doc
Here's a paper I sent to several Senators & will soon send it to the Sun Times & Tribune.

If you don't want to download.... (Sorry, it lost it's paragraph format being copied & pasted)


After spending 4 years ensuring this countries’ freedom by participating in the Global
War on Terrorism. I am appalled by the situations at home.
This country was founded on the basis of immigration. But, never has immigration reached such epidemic proportions. In the past, many families came to America from all over Europe. The majority of these lower-middle class Europeans took a boat Ellis Island & became legal immigrants. They also had the decency to learn English, pay taxes, & contribute to their community in one way or another.
It has been established that the nationwide costs to states and localities for housing illegal criminal aliens is over $2 billion per year. The cost of immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was, (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay), a net $70 billion/year, [Professor Donald Huddle, Rice University]. The lic52 fetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a negative number. So, these illegal aliens are not only a huge threat to national security, but also a huge economic drain.
It is argued that a lot of the illegal immigrants are hard workers & are doing the job that no American citizen would want. This is the most narrow-minded argument that could possibly be put forward! In a study conducted by The Pew Hispanic Center concluded an estimated twelve million illegal immigrants in this nation, and broke down their numbers into these job fields: 299,000 landscapers, 167,000 painters, 75,000 machine operators, 49,000 brick masons, 93,000 roofers, 400,000 construction workers, 128,000 in food preparation, and 436,000 cooks. Do these jobs sound like the type of jobs that Americans despise holding? The answer is a clear and simple, no! There are plenty of “blue collar” legal workers in America that would be more than willing to fill any openings in many of these fields. There are plenty of Americans that would gladly take this job, but many workplaces would rather hire an illegal who’d be willing to work for $6 an hour versus a citizen of this country who would work for $9+ an hour. So, the job goes to the lowest bidder. Hiring these people who have no right to these jobs is despicable, greedy, & criminal! Meanwhile, the latest statistics available from the Bureau of Labor Statistics shows that 3.7% of our 23.4 million veterans were unemployed. Could there be any more perfect candidate than these brave American men?
And now, these same people are demanding “rights”. But, is it really rights they seek or is it another handout? Illegal aliens also say they are being discriminated against. Bingo, senor or senorita! They are being singled out because they came here illegally. And when they decided to do so, they accepted, whether they realized it or not, the likelihood that they wouldn't experience all the privileges enjoyed by native-born Americans, legal residents and naturalized U.S. citizens. That includes the right to drive legally on U.S. roadways, get free social services, etc. These rights they speak of are entitled to U.S. citizens & legal residents. So, the answer to this is actual very simple. If you want American rights, become an American citizen or legal resident! If you do not want to be an American citizen then either go home or enjoy your one and only right here: “You have the right to remain silent and refuse to answer questions. Do you understand? Anything you do say may be used against you in a court of law…” (Miranda Rights). If you are here illegally you are a criminal. You are entitled to the rights of the accused, & possible deportation.
Today, non-citizens loyalty to this great country is very questionable. Many Mexican immigrants refuse to learn english & insist that everything be written in spanish for them. Never before has a group of immigrants refused to speak english in such large numbers. And, we see more Mexican flags on cars & in windows than we do American ones. National pride is one thing, but ignorance is another. When I fly another flag the US flag is always above it, as it shows where my loyalty lies & is proper etiquette.
Also, it is events like the following that make me think twice: On February 15, 1998 , the U.S. and Mexican soccer teams met at the Los Angeles Coliseum. The crowd was overwhelmingly pro-Mexican even though most lived in this country. They booed during the National Anthem and U.S. flags were held upside down. As the match progressed, supporters of the U.S. team were insulted, pelted with projectiles, punched and spat upon. Beer and trash were thrown at the U.S. players before and after the match. The coach of the U.S. team, Steve Sampson said, "This was the most painful experience I have ever had in this profession."
The bottom line is, if you love to be in this country more so than your own. Then, you learn the language, become a legal resident, respect its laws, & legally work a job. If that’s too much to ask, then leave!
Something has to be done about this epidemic. Yet, when Americans express their opposition to illegal aliens, we then are called a racist, bigot, xenophobic, etc. Many politicians prefer not to even touch the subject of illegal immigration for that very reason & also for fear of losing the Mexican-American vote. As for the traitor US Senators who voted for SB 2611 (Amnesty to Illegals), they ought to be quarantined until next election. It’s time we express our opposition to illegal immigration before it’s too late.
In closing, I’d like to quote one of the great forefathers:
“We should welcome all, but take seriously the rules governing their entry and participation in American life. Anything less undercuts the sanctity of our laws and the value of being a citizen of the greatest nation on earth.” ( Thomas Jefferson)

Sincerely,
CPL Stevo (USMC)
 
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Enjoy America's final days as an empire. Thanks to the Clintons and Bush, they've made it clear that America will be parted out. Our borders are being eliminated and I fell bad for all Americans considering what kind of people will continue to flood our nation. I speak Spanish so I'm not worried about communication issues, but this is an invation without the gun powder. Its sad on every level. We really are living under a dictatorship if this bill passes because the vast majority of Americans do not support this. There is no debate there.
 

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All these senators are too afraid of being called racist / losing the Mexican if they don't support this ridiculous bill...

It's sad that this country is basically being given away...

Like you said, "an invasion minus the gunpowder."
 
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The Republicans are phaucking stupid to even think that by supporting this that the 'hispanic' population would vote for them. Minorities have overwhelmingly voted Democrat for the past 5 decades. This is a disaster for America. I don't think people realize what a financial crisis this is going to create. This is going to open up the flood gates to bringing in unprecedented numbers of illegals that you'll have to provide health care and education for. It really is a simple problem to fix. As Michael Savage has been saying and as Hannity, O'Reilley & Rush have been stealing from him...all you need to do is immediately cease all social services & public education to illegals. More importantly, you just need to end all these 'anchor baby' moves that are given the newborns instant citizenship.

The illegal immigration attack is a deliberate move to help cripple this nation. I'm just not sure many Americans realize this is what the purpose is.
 

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I agree 100%,everyone should call thier senators and tell them not to support this bill.
 

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Eliminate all the RDDB's. Close the border. Eliminate all social services. Abolish the IRS. Pull all our troops from the 130 different countries they are in. Control outsourcing. Do this and America will be on the path to rightousness. Its time for a revolution. Time for a change.
 
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ziggyspeez said:
Eliminate all the RDDB's. Close the border. Eliminate all social services. Abolish the IRS. Pull all our troops from the 130 different countries they are in. Control outsourcing. Do this and America will be on the path to rightousness. Its time for a revolution. Time for a change.


Amen brother :beer:

The country needs a radical change to save it or we will see this country completely collapse in our lifetime.
 

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ziggyspeez said:
Eliminate all the RDDB's. Close the border. Eliminate all social services. Abolish the IRS. Pull all our troops from the 130 different countries they are in. Control outsourcing. Do this and America will be on the path to rightousness. Its time for a revolution. Time for a change.
:beer: I agree.Lets end the war on the middle east and begin the war on illegals!
 

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Shrubya= a joke


For those who label all who oppose illegal immigrants as racist, you become a TOOL to your opposition.


Why you ask?


Simple, you pigeonhole those who oppose as racist, you give US a RIGHT to pigeonhole ALL illegals as criminal Gang Members.
 

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As annoying as this bill is, it passed the senate last year, so writing your senaters seems a little redundant.
 

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ziggyspeez said:
Eliminate all the RDDB's. Close the border. Eliminate all social services. Abolish the IRS. Pull all our troops from the 130 different countries they are in. Control outsourcing. Do this and America will be on the path to rightousness. Its time for a revolution. Time for a change.


:bowdown: :bowdown:

too bad it'll never happen, no one in politics has a backbone or a conscious anymore.
oh wait.... here comes Trace_In_Miami lets see what that un-american has to say on the subject:kaboom:
 

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jamz said:
Shrubya= a joke


For those who label all who oppose illegal immigrants as racist, you become a TOOL to your opposition.


Why you ask?


Simple, you pigeonhole those who oppose as racist, you give US a RIGHT to pigeonhole ALL illegals as criminal Gang Members.
Jamz - I agree in this agree the Bush Administration lacks big time! I don't forsee any of our elected officials standing up and doing what is right for the COUNTRY not the 12 million people DEMANDING we bend for them!
 

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All these senators are too afraid of being called racist / losing the Mexican if they don't support this ridiculous bill...

It's sad that this country is basically being given away...

Like you said, "an invasion minus the gunpowder."
+1billion
 

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And it's only going to get worse. Just wait until this 2nd amnesty (1986 was the first) is in full swing. There will be complete chaos at the border and within the amnesty BEAUROCRACY. The chaos at the border will happen when hundreds of thousands more illegals will try to cross the border to get in on the Socialist's gravy train. Then, when we discover that we have to do something with these new law breakers (Lord knows that we can't send them home and separate them from their families, how sad.) there will come the 3rd amnesty.

Then the 4th....oops, the 3rd or 4th amnesties probably won't be necessary because by that time the balance of power will have shifted totally to the Socialists and 20 million (or 25 or 30) illegals (now legal) who will simply vote to fling open the borders and that will be the end of the US as we know it. Heck, in a few years the illegals (now legal) may have enough clout to give the Southwest, or any other part of our country, back to Mexico.

This hypothesis is heavily dependent upon the supposition that we haven't had a nuke or other terrorist device delivered to several of our major cities through the swiss cheese border that we will have created. (If you think the border is porous now, just wait)

Get this……………………… Last year, National Review's John Derbyshire noted the enrollment statistics for his school district on suburban Long Island, 1,400 miles from the southern border:

High school: 17 percent Hispanic

Intermediate: 28 percent Hispanic

Elementary: 31 percent Hispanic

Those figures would have stunned any Long Island school superintendent of 40 years ago. Derbyshire's numbers suggest that at some point not far away, every school board in America will have to factor in bilingual education programs and ever swelling special ed budgets, making one of the highest cost-per-pupil/lowest scores-per-pupil education systems even more expensive and even less educational.
 

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Tomorrow, The Heritage Foundation’s Robert Rector will share the following analysis in testimony before the House Judiciary Committee. Virtually no attention has been paid to the enormous costs involved in legalizing millions of low-skilled illegal aliens. One problem is that immigration reform is being negotiated by Judiciary Committee lawyers who typically have little experience in budgetary issues. Some Members who might be expected to blanch at a potential price tag of $2.5 trillion on their handiwork are kidding themselves by naively expecting that government benefits will be denied to the newly-legalized. Some know so little about tax burdens and benefit costs that they wrongly believe low-skilled workers are a net benefit to the social security system.

Giving amnesty to illegal immigrants would increase the costs outlined in this testimony. Some 50 to 60 percent of illegal immigrants lack a high school degree. Granting amnesty or conditional amnesty to illegal immigrants would, overtime, increase their use of means-tested welfare, Social Security and Medicare. Fiscal costs would go up significantly in the short term but would go up dramatically after the amnesty recipient reached retirement. Based on my current research, I estimate that if all the current adult illegal immigrants in the U.S. were granted amnesty the net retirement costs to government (benefits minus taxes) could be over $2.5 trillion.





Concerning the accuracy of numbers in the immigration debate (Heritage Foundation etc): Regardless the SS will be bankrupt!!

Who needs numbers really? Just sketch out the big picture. We are confronted with a lack of resolve and social demise across the board. Most Western societies are suffering from rampant uncontrolled immigration as well as broken schools, family disintegration, rise of gender dysphoria, obeisty, breakdown in education, rise in "meds" usage, collapsing health crare systems (which will get worse as diabetes and such are ready to explode with aging baby boomers and other massive health/social security issues).

You had immigration amnesty in the 80's that was meant to fix things and immigration got worse. Since then you have had millions of illegals crashing borders with hardly any opposition. There are epidemics of bed bugs, tuberculosis, hepetitis and other diseases - along with rise in foreign criminals, narcotics smuggling and terrorists passing over border. 52% of US citizens already get a government check in some way and adding millions of low skilled workers and their extended familes won't help anything in the slightest.

This situation isn't hard to figure out. After 60 years of sex, drugs and rock and roll we have degenerate society of fatties, psychotics, bums, whiners, pervs, reverse racists, neurotics and dopes. This added immigration ruse is just another step down the rung to disintegration. All the bad guys like Al Qeada, Ahmadinejad, Chavez etc see it. We have few men anymore after liberalism feminsiation. Even the Republicans are just like democrats from the 70's. It often happens that when cowards give in to bullies they dont see it as cowadice but as a higher form of understanding and "love". That's the conditioned liberal deathset right there. :nonono:
 

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The US Government is giving away the United State's of America, it culture, it's values, it's power, and it very identity away hand over fist.

Watch California... it is the window of tomorrow for the rest of the Country.

In CA you now have in place an essentially Hispanic controlled government that are overwhelming sympathetic to those south of the border. As a result it is almost impossible to pass any laws or measures even at the state level that is negative immigration be it legal or illegal. This of course has lead to them having the highest illegal immigrant population in the Country.

CA now has highest crimes rate in the nation, most over crowded jail systems in the nation, so bad they are forced to ship them out of state or grant early releases to criminals and tout the highest percentage of Hospital closures.

They can’t build schools fast enough so they ones they do have over crowded and students suffer academically because of it.... thus we have one of the highest drop out rates in the nation.

The States poverty rate is also now one of the highest in the nation, the middle class is disappearing and the rich are getting richer. What does that remind me of? Oh yea Mexico!

The State is billions in the red; they have raised taxes so much that businesses are forced to leave the state by the truckloads because they cannot afford it. In fact the State is so desperate for money they are proposing to sell off the California lottery system.

Looks at this article from 2004 in the Washington Post about illegal immigrants cost to California alone and this was in "2004". Nothing was ever done back then thus those number have no doubt risen sharply. Making the illegals legal will not solve this either, it really just, opens the door to more benefits, and heavier tax burden on businesses and the already dwindling middle class.

Illegal aliens cost California billions
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20041206-102115-6766r.htm

Just keep watching California and you can see the future of the United States of America unfold right before your eyes.



I'm done:cuss:
 
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I called my senators, even though they are both idiots and will most likely vote yes, I feel it my responsibility to do this. Please call your senators and tell them to vote NO on this amnesty bill. Already, many are being inundated with calls and faxes. Some senators have not yet declared a position on this yet.

The following is from an email I get from www.grassfire.org:

"The Bush-Kennedy spin machine is desperately trying to say this
is not an amnesty bill. We just received a copy of the actual
bill (all 326 pages) and amnesty wasn't hard to find because
it STARTED ON PAGE 1, LINE 1!

The very first line of the bill makes it clear that illegals
get "probationary status" before any border security triggers
are implemented. Once given this legal status, the bill expressly
states that a former illegal alien "may not be considered an
unauthorized alien." This is amnesty!"

May God help us that this bill does not pass!!!!!!!!
 

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Nuke Mexico and our problems are solved. That or put a ton of explosives at the border and brake it off. Make it float down next to South America.


Problem solved.
 

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