Not near as bad as everyone makes it out to be.
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Not near as bad as everyone makes it out to be.
@13COBRA can tell you about the viper, but its handling characteristics are vastly different (and improved) over that of a charger / challenger.
There is markup on any new vehicle. Its the name of the game. Think of it this way, if you were a business, and you could sell your product for 15% more than you are selling it for now, why wouldnt you?
Its confusing to me that people berate the auto industry for ADMs, when its clearly an aspect of every business. Its basic supply and demand...econ 101....
If you want the overdeveloped motor AND an overdeveloped suspension, but are wanting it to be sub 100k? So where do you expect all the money for R&D to come from....if not from the price of the car? The manufacturer should solely eat all those costs?
And to me, having driven countless GT350s and an R, the cars just dont do it for me. Different strokes different folks.
And its not the big 3 doing it, its the dealerships which are independent franchises and not part of the manufacturer.
I hate how ADMs get added into spec comparisons. Once a new car comes out, the ADM drops on the last need to have car and ADM is really just an idiot tax more than anything.
Never driven a stock GT500 I can see. lol
And not to start another mini war in here, but balanced all around car is the ZL1. Straight line power and can handle just as well.
I never said it had to be under 100K. I'd be happier with a car selling for 80K that runs faster than a Vetter in both 1/4 mile and a road course. than i'd be more interested.
For all the hype when you boil it down all I see is "Hyped up Hellcat with 20K premium to slap on a better blower and suspension" I'd have enjoyed it more if they made a car that was a corner carver equivalent of the Hellcat.
I would not say that I was "berating" them. I'm stating that I'm betting the markup is going to be ridiculous. I understand markup. But the markup you see on certain cars is astonishing. A car they make extremely limited quantities of I can understand a large markup of $20k+ over MSRP. Which MSRP already gives them some cushion. A car that has thousands of them made? That is where I do not understand. Such is capitalism though. Supply and demand. I only wonder how the value of these vehicles will hold on the used market? Will we end up seeing many of them returned because people do not want to cough up the money for maintenance or the nature of the beast? Rather will many of them sit in garages and be meticulously maintained? I'm curious to see
I don't think so.
Margins have dropped significantly in the last 15 years. The manufacturers set MSRP to compete in the market, even if it means less of a difference between invoice and MSRP. Dealerships are FORCED to upgrade their facilities by the manufacturers, then they are given product to sell at less of a margin than they had in the past.
If the market will support an ADM, dealers have every right to charge it in my eyes.
I didn't say dealers couldn't, I just said the big 3 don't charge it. And using ADMs isn't a fair comparison when talking specs either.
The Big 3 more or less pushes dealers to.
Lincoln is one of the worst selling new vehicle brands in the country, and they forced dealers to renovate their facilities a couple years ago for a tune of over $2mil.... good luck recouping that.
The small margins force dealers to make their money from the consumer on vehicles that the market allows. I sell 100 Fiestas making $12 a car, to every specialty car/truck I sell making $4k.
I can tell you one thing is that the mustang is harder to drive fast than my Viper. I absolutely hate the media hype of Viper's being out to kill you. They are super easy to drive and hook like you wouldn't believe. It's people being stupid that get in trouble. Basically just don't floor it going around a curve and you are fine (just like any other performance car).
Demon looks awesome but for the price I think I'd actually rather go with a HC but I'm also not a drag racer so this car is really not marketed towards me.
100% agree. My Viper is confidence inspiring if anything.
I think I just put 2 and 2 together. You're on the VOA forum now too, right? I'm 98RedGTS over there.
Yes sir! I'm not as smart as the guys, like yourself, that use multiple screen names; I'd forget them overnight and never be able to log in. I've always used 13COBRA. I started getting active in the forums when I had my 2013 GT500.
Neither do I. When you have to wear DR to get a little traction the car itself becomes unusable. Fast drag cars are cool but full cages and parachute brakes are not.
I'd much rather have a lighter weight car that can turn along with running low 11 sec at mid 120.
*With a warranty. That's the point. You can buy anything and mod it to make it fast, but when shit breaks it's your problem.
meanwhile when a demon breaks you merely DRIVE it into dodge, and toss the writer the keys and go 'call me when its fixed'
positive displacement roots "blowers?" Sure, these are not compressors anyway so that's apples to oranges.
lsyholm (twin screw) compressors vs turbo the parasitic loss advantage isn't nearly as apparent.
centrifugal vs turbo on the same engine with equivalent boost the turbo will take the same are more drive hp via exhaust backpressure. There is simply no getting around the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics
excellent post, man. +65000 to this
I don't think thats how its going to work. Pretty sure your going to need a tow truck.
sigh.
was an exaggeration, there Buzz Killington.
btw many manufacturer warranties cover towing
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