Demi Lovato OD'd on Heroin

[IronSnake]

Stop pouting, get out of bed, go for a hike, get your endorphins/adrenaline going or go do something you like with people you like. DO NOT continue to make poor choices and make the situation worse.

Also, absolutely do not put anything into your body that can kill you with a small dose.

And I do realize that some people are way screwed up from issues that are not their fault and those people will have more trouble than most breaking out of the cycle

I can understand where you get that thought from, and partially my life turned around because of this. BUT and it's a very big but, imagine you are you, and suddenly all of those things that get you moving, your endorphins up, your heart racing, and your drive back, suddenly dull. Imagine that while you're madly in love with this woman, it's muted. Your car time of wrenching in the garage feels familiar and calming, but somehow remote and distant. You walk away from doing all of those things you listed feeling unfulfilled because they didn't quench that thirst of completion you need to not feel depressed.

It's a battle, and it's not won by simply "stop pouting". You clearly have never suffered from major depression issues.

 

[Zemedici]

I can understand where you get that thought from, and partially my life turned around because of this. BUT and it's a very big but, imagine you are you, and suddenly all of those things that get you moving, your endorphins up, your heart racing, and your drive back, suddenly dull. Imagine that while you're madly in love with this woman, it's muted. Your car time of wrenching in the garage feels familiar and calming, but somehow remote and distant. You walk away from doing all of those things you listed feeling unfulfilled because they didn't quench that thirst of completion you need to not feel depressed.

It's a battle, and it's not won by simply "stop pouting". You clearly have never suffered from major depression issues.

From my experience, there’s two kinds of people. Those that truly understand the pain and suffering associated with mental illness, due to first hand experience, and there’s those that don’t, because they’ve never experienced it.

 

[OETKB]

I lived 60 years before I knew someone who was a hard core relapsing addict, who came from good family, good upbringing, lots of opportunity.

You know his greatest fear? Life after opioids.
For anyone here who doesn't understand that, you need to listen to others who have seen it first hand, or worse, experienced it themselves. It's a ****ing demon.

 

[Revvv]

A LOT of Disney child stars are messed up. A lot of it stems from them being sexually molested by studio executives and/or the executives' friends as underage children. The media always tried to paint Corey Feldman as crazy when he was trying to tell the world about the pedophilia that goes on in Hollywood. When you look at the child stars that are now adults, the majority of them have psychological issues. A few of them were smart enough to quit the business altogether. (When's the last time you saw the Jurassic Park girl in anything? She quit Hollywood.) Why a parent would push their child into that world is beyond me.

It's not just Hollywood, either. Look at sports. It finally started coming to light that many underage female athletes were being molested by their coaches and team doctors. Many Russian female athletes are turned to porn when their sports careers end. Remember the American gymnast Sean Johnson? She was being turned down a seedy path after her Olympic debut, but she was smart enough to bail before things got too far out of hand. With this #METOO movement going on, I'm just waiting for the flood gates to open and female gymnasts from way back when start coming forward.

Anyways... I'm of the opinion that media fame is no place for children.

Something we can agree on.

Sent from my SM-G930V using the svtperformance.com mobile app

 

[black4vcobra]

You are entitled to your opinion, but in my opinion you are greatly oversimplifying this. While you worded your response very nicely, it is obvious that you don’t have personal experience with these issues. I was the same way until I experienced these issues with loved ones and friends. None of these issues made sense to me. I felt everyone should just “not be depressed because they have so much to live for”....or “they should stop taking those awful drugs”....but it is not that simple. There are other factors that are beyond the afflicted’s control that come into play. Using drugs is wrong - I completely get that - just don’t be so quick to judge those who have problems that stem from using...you have not walked in their shoes.

I can understand where you get that thought from, and partially my life turned around because of this. BUT and it's a very big but, imagine you are you, and suddenly all of those things that get you moving, your endorphins up, your heart racing, and your drive back, suddenly dull. Imagine that while you're madly in love with this woman, it's muted. Your car time of wrenching in the garage feels familiar and calming, but somehow remote and distant. You walk away from doing all of those things you listed feeling unfulfilled because they didn't quench that thirst of completion you need to not feel depressed.

It's a battle, and it's not won by simply "stop pouting". You clearly have never suffered from major depression issues.

Well written responses guys. I've had some pretty rough times in the past and there are depression/bi-polar disorder issues on both sides of my family, however, i have never had that "I can't get out of bed to face the world" type of feeling. Unless there has been some unspeakable tragedy that a person has lived through, i just don't understand how someone with a roof over there head, air in their lungs, food in their stomach, decent health and a few people that care about them can be so afflicted by a mental disorder.

Then again, the old adage goes that you never know what a person is dealing with until you walk a mile in their shoes.

 

[Revvv]

Until someone openly admits they were addicted to heroin, got off of it, and it was easy, I won't make an assumption that it's "just a decision" and that it's as simple as "deciding" to stop and "be happy". Everything I've ever read or seen, it's not that easy.

I've wrestled with depression, and while it's very near and dear to my heart when someone struggles with it, it's not a cut and dry fix to just decide to be happy. I can not offer any earthly context to what it's like to wrestle with hardcore drug addiction and if someone can just decide to stop. From what I've seen, it's a hell of a lot more difficult than that, and you're chemically bonded to using. Much like you're chemically bonded to the feelings of depression and that cliff you fall off of..

My dad is an opioid addict. The addiction begins making choices for you. At this point you can choose to try and fight your way out, go to rehab, find yourself in jail, or dead. Those are the choices, and they all suck. Addiction is a terrible thing. Add in a chemical dependance and you have a recipe for an epic disaster.

His sister began taking opioids after a car accident left her with a bone structure replaced largely by metal rods and screws. Over the course of 30 years pain meds no longer did the job. As of right now my uncle left her (it was a necessity), she is a full blown drug addict that uses anything she can get her hands on. This is me painting a pretty picture. The reality is much more bleak an ugly.

My aunt doesn't even know that her brother passed away. She has no idea there is a funeral today.

It is easy to judge others from a distance.

Sent from my SM-G930V using the svtperformance.com mobile app

 

[IronSnake]

...Unless there has been some unspeakable tragedy that a person has lived through, i just don't understand how someone with a roof over there head, air in their lungs, food in their stomach, decent health and a few people that care about them can be so afflicted by a mental disorder.

Then again, the old adage goes that you never know what a person is dealing with until you walk a mile in their shoes.

Ironically, that's what works for me to keep me going and not slip again. I see what I have, and put things behind me.

But depression sees no worldly possessions, or knows nothing of family or how good/bad they have it. It's all bad, it's all negative, and it's weight. Despite the value all of those things have in your life.

What's sad is you become addicted to the feeling of melancholic behavior. You're life revolves around sadness and despair, despite the happiness within it. Case in point, go listen to Death Cab for Cutie. It's inevitably the walking memorial of every depressed person ever, and throughout their many albums, Ben Gibbard struggles with depression. His earlier stuff was very much painful sadness, and his later stuff has changed in tempo and become more positive. Same goes for Laura Marling.

It's truly amazing what a Manic Depressive can do artistically though. I'll never understand how they do it.

 

[Voltwings]

Until someone openly admits they were addicted to heroin, got off of it, and it was easy, I won't make an assumption that it's "just a decision" and that it's as simple as "deciding" to stop and "be happy". Everything I've ever read or seen, it's not that easy.

Maybe I lack perspective, so I'll happily preface this comment by saying that. That being said however, choosing to quit may be hard, but no one made you (being second person, no you directly) start to begin with... The fact that drugs and alcohol are known and proven to ruin lives over and over again and people STILL turn to them kind of makes it your own damn fault in my eyes. But again, I lack perspective...

 

[Revvv]

Maybe I lack perspective, so I'll happily preface this comment by saying that. That being said however, choosing to quit may be hard, but no one made you (being second person, no you directly) start to begin with... The fact that drugs and alcohol are known and proven to ruin lives over and over again and people STILL turn to them kind of makes it your own damn fault in my eyes. But again, I lack perspective...

The best course of action is to avoid them altogether.

Sent from my SM-G930V using the svtperformance.com mobile app

 

[RedVenom48]

My wife says the latest craze she's seeing in the ICU is called Crocodil. Apparently, they mix gasoline with heroin before shooting and it eats them from the inside.

what in the actual ****? nah, let em go to the otherside if that's what they are doing nowdays

 

[Stanley]

Maybe I lack perspective, so I'll happily preface this comment by saying that. That being said however, choosing to quit may be hard, but no one made you (being second person, no you directly) start to begin with... The fact that drugs and alcohol are known and proven to ruin lives over and over again and people STILL turn to them kind of makes it your own damn fault in my eyes. But again, I lack perspective...

That's why I don't suffer from drug addiction....I don't do drugs.

 

[RedVenom48]

That's why I don't suffer from drug addiction....I don't do drugs.

Im a drug addict. With as much money as my car makes me spend on it, its got to be an addiction right?

 

[IronSnake]

Maybe I lack perspective, so I'll happily preface this comment by saying that. That being said however, choosing to quit may be hard, but no one made you (being second person, no you directly) start to begin with... The fact that drugs and alcohol are known and proven to ruin lives over and over again and people STILL turn to them kind of makes it your own damn fault in my eyes. But again, I lack perspective...

Unfortunately I truly believe every single person is one series of unfortunate events from falling into depression/addiction.

Most of those that suffer it have a reason it all begin. Whether it's benign or severe. It didn't start because someone said "Yo want some opium?" while shopping with grandma. They tried to escape something. But the reality is you can't escape anything, and you just crippled yourself starting a bad habit

 

[GT Premi]

Maybe I lack perspective, so I'll happily preface this comment by saying that. That being said however, choosing to quit may be hard, but no one made you (being second person, no you directly) start to begin with... The fact that drugs and alcohol are known and proven to ruin lives over and over again and people STILL turn to them kind of makes it your own damn fault in my eyes. But again, I lack perspective...

Agreed. It is no secret what drug [ab]use can lead to. If a person makes a conscious decision to try drugs, get addicted, and their life goes to shit, I have no sympathy for them. Mind you, I don't condemn them, but I just don't feel sorry for them. They knew the risks, gambled anyway, and lost. What's that saying people love to say? "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes." Speaking from firsthand experience, how is it that a person can WITNESS with their own eyes what happens from alcoholism and drug abuse and still make a conscious choice to go down the same path??

Anyway, I hope she gets the help she needs and can kick the habit for good.

 

[o2gt]

I think issues like these are hard to understand for many people to
Understand and many people have hostile feelings towards those who suffer. Sure everyone gets depressed or has some anxiety at some point in life and they move on. But you can't equate that to someone who clearly has a chemical imbalance in the brain. You can't think your way out of all these issues as much as some would like to think they can.

Sure an addict in almost every case decided to take or use the first time. I never thought as a teenager that drinking would turn into alcoholism I'm guessing few people do. Most people who take meds that doctors give them likely did not either. Your brain changes when you become addicted to something they way it functions is not the same those preprogrammed that you don't control change. I'm not going to excuse people for what they do but understanding why is important
. Addiction is a powerful thing and to anyone who thinks it can't happen to you your dead wrong if you ever put something addictive in your body.

 

[Revvv]

Unfortunately I truly believe every single person is one series of unfortunate events from falling into depression/addiction.

Most of those that suffer it have a reason it all begin. Whether it's benign or severe. It didn't start because someone said "Yo want some opium?" while shopping with grandma. They tried to escape something. But the reality is you can't escape anything, and you just crippled yourself starting a bad habit

All true.

Sent from my SM-G930V using the svtperformance.com mobile app

 

[Revvv]

I think issues like these are hard to understand for many people to
Understand and many people have hostile feelings towards those who suffer. Sure everyone gets depressed or has some anxiety at some point in life and they move on. But you can't equate that to someone who clearly has a chemical imbalance in the brain. You can't think your way out of all these issues as much as some would like to think they can.

Sure an addict in almost every case decided to take or use the first time. I never thought as a teenager that drinking would turn into alcoholism I'm guessing few people do. Most people who take meds that doctors give them likely did not either. Your brain changes when you become addicted to something they way it functions is not the same those preprogrammed that you don't control change. I'm not going to excuse people for what they do but understanding why is important
. Addiction is a powerful thing and to anyone who thinks it can't happen to you your dead wrong if you ever put something addictive in your body.

Again, all true and factual.

Sent from my SM-G930V using the svtperformance.com mobile app

 

[jeffh81]

what in the actual ****? nah, let em go to the otherside if that's what they are doing nowdays

krokodil is the spelling. Look it up

 

[CompOrange04GT]

For all those claiming you dont know who she is... if you have kids.. Yes you do know.

Let It Go - Frozen.

Also, there's no excuse for her drugs... but shes a huge advocate for bullying and has helped a lot of people.. Just sucks she has turned to this

 

[lOOKnGO]

For all those claiming you dont know who she is... if you have kids.. Yes you do know.

Let It Go - Frozen.

Also, there's no excuse for her drugs... but shes a huge advocate for bullying and has helped a lot of people.. Just sucks she has turned to this

I have 5 kids 5 to 33 years of age. I don't know who she is and I asked my kids. We are not ingrained in Hollyweird. Tough to hear about any youth life ending this way. Terminate the suppliers!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk