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  1. GodStang

    GodStang Well-Known Member Established Member

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    The coyote motor would be more reliable and better gas mileage and could make more power N/A than the old 4.6L.
     
  2. SuperMarauder

    SuperMarauder New Member Established Member

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    take you 15k and your cash from cobra sale and order the newest Coyote engine with a Californa street legal 2020 Mustang WRAPPED AROUND IT!
    then go do your track work.
    Retrofit of Old 99 chassis with Old crate coyote to build a Ca. emissions llegal racer? that can whoop some old vettes?
     
  3. NotsoFastFreddie

    NotsoFastFreddie Member Established Member

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    Lots of good idea.

    Looks like I am going Gen II or Gen III Coyote.

    Anyone have a Ford Performance Distributor they like better than the rest?
     
  4. slo984now

    slo984now AKA 01yellerCobra Established Member

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    I'd contact Tasca. I think they're a vendor here.
     
  5. SuperMarauder

    SuperMarauder New Member Established Member

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    your wasting your time and money on a coyote
    the top end is weak and will fail at the track. period.
    the block is also weak and cant compare to the teksid, not even even with the FP race block .
    or a sleeved block.
    A teksid block is the absolute strongest short deck modular block on the planet.

    coyote heads are weak and fail often in all venues.
    even with the vct cams removed or locked out.

    the Nemak heads found in the GT car / shelby gt500 / 2000 cobra R / fr500c are the best heads hands down. and they are not as popular as coyote and can be had for less than coyote stage 3 race heads! but they are better for any track or race engine. They out perform coyotes out of the box.

    these heads fit your engine and not the coyote.

    the coyotes need to be rebuilt to race, even the aluminator.

    only the xs is track worthy and thats why it lists at $19,000.

    the XR3Z cobra block with GT heads will even out perform the XS with matching components.

    then there is electronic controls

    another can of worms for the coyote racer.

    serious racers (coyote and mod) chuck the ford package for better control and a real throttle link.

    FAST, HOLLEY, MOTEC, BIG STUFF, MSD ETC.

    Pus you can have an emissions tune and street tune and track tunes to shred any bed.

    in the long run the coyote will cost you more to make the tractable day in / day out power you need. a lot more since you dont have a coyote car.

    otherwise your just playin games.

    Distributor? MSD, with a Fast Box Attached.

    how much do you want for your 99 cobra track car?

    lets see some pics...
     
  6. NotsoFastFreddie

    NotsoFastFreddie Member Established Member

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    Good points and ones I am considering. I dont "race" this car. I use it primarily for HPDE events as my instructor car. The 24 month warranty from Ford is appealing and the Coyote Gen 3 is a nice platform for my use.
     

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  7. SuperMarauder

    SuperMarauder New Member Established Member

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    fifteen grand for 100 lb ft ?

    you could do an aluminuum 5.4 for less and easy 200 lb-ft. no blower, eat coyotes for lunch, even flat planes...

    do something different, ever thought about a ttrans axle swap, with a 5.4 set back up front, tthen youd have something, supercar.

    put that on BaT, 50k sorted and street legal.

    ford wont warranty a track car anyway.
     
  8. NotsoFastFreddie

    NotsoFastFreddie Member Established Member

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    HPDE

    High Performance Driving Event

    Not racing.

    Gen 3 460HP w/o headers or tune. add E85 and I have a reliable 500HP+ NA. 20 Year newer engine development, street legal, passes CA SMOG.

    Looks like new parts build although I havent ruled out a take out package on a low mile car.

    Stay tuned and thank you for all the input.
     
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  9. shurur

    shurur Well-Known Member Established Member

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    The Ford 4.6 block in the 05-?10? is the 4.6 aluminator. It was built with the help of cosworth.
    Livernois considers it the best 4.6 block and it takes the 4v heads and all just fine.
    It is essentially a copy of the teksid with cosworth aluminum metal technology.

    The 01-03 ford WAP block built the bad rep for ford because it was weaker than the teksid that it replaced for a short time, but it is not a bad block either.
     
  10. SuperMarauder

    SuperMarauder New Member Established Member

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    Livernois considers it the best 4.6 block cuz it's the FOMOCO replacement block for all 4.6 hi-po svt/ford cars and its in stock, ie cheap. Nemak tookover Teksid years ago ending production of the "best blocks" abruptly, pissed off Fomoco. Cosworth has many success and failures under thier belts. and they dont mind doin stuff on the cheap. you get what you pay for. look at the complete history with ford. look at the new Aston Ford Cosworth v12.
    anywho i say the late teksid is the strongest and accufab is proof. l think they hold the record for
    highest specific power output
    of any automotive engine in history
    (production block) , HORSEPOWER PER CUBIC INCH.
    Was previously held by GM/OLDS/FEULING turbo 4 with over 1,270 hp from 121 cubic inches. at 281 ci that Accufab mustang must be making 2,800+ to run those numbers. (all year long same block!)

    Your car reads wicked, curious if you know lb-ft. at crank or tire?

    ps. Cosworth was involved with the Olds project.
     
  11. biminiLX

    biminiLX never stock Established Member

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    Just read this thread but sounds like just looking for a fun street HPDE Car.
    I’m assuming limited street miles?
    What fuel? You have a smaller high RPM V8 either Modular or Coyote, so octane needs to be your friend as a fun track NA engine should be minimum 12:1 on E85 or unleaded race fuel.
    Hard to discount the Gen 3 Coyote or Aluminator, both at 12:1. Car probably would have better resale with the Coyote swap and keeping the stock motor.
    I would think the TiVCT would help midrange torque on the road course.
    But so could a stroker 5.3 modular.
    Other than VCT and ease of new parts, peak power will likely be similar, but the whole Ford aftermarket is now Coyote.
    400rwhp NA sounds like your goal for a fun track motor you could still drive on the street.
    -J
     
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    shurur Well-Known Member Established Member

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    Are there any direct comparative tests between the aluminator and the and teksid holding more power? I have a teksid in mine..but want to "someday" go BB stroker with another block.

    https://www.svtperformance.com/threads/what-block-is-stronger-then-a-teksid.1092483/
    Castings
     
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  13. NotsoFastFreddie

    NotsoFastFreddie Member Established Member

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    2/3s plus of the miles are logged driving to the track. HPDE are 20-30 minute tops sessions. It is not racing. Car handling is fantastic just underpowered for the weight for a road course car.
     
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    biminiLX never stock Established Member

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    So does that mean you don’t drive it on the street much?
    Your biggest goal is just more power right?
    Are you willing to run E85 or higher octane unleaded race fuel?
    -J
     
  15. NotsoFastFreddie

    NotsoFastFreddie Member Established Member

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    Only street miles are to and from socal tracks.

    Yes, plan is to run E85 if we go Gen 3. As of today Gen 3 is the leading option. If I score a great deal on a Gen 2 package (trans/engine/controlpack) I may go Gen 2.

    Yes, more power.
     
  16. SuperMarauder

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    just remembered Jim Feuling(sp) also designed the 05 + mustang GT 3 valve head and sold to fomoco,
    the plug idea was fords, go figure? and yes that is the "aluminator" block in 05+ GT's designed to take all heads, the over the dealer counter replacement block, FPP not needed
     
  17. SuperMarauder

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    just wondering how a stock 2000 R with only the block switched to aluminum and an e85 tune, might compare to your genlll and genll builds with 85 and tune, on the track? all three on the pole...
     
  18. biminiLX

    biminiLX never stock Established Member

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    It would be taking about 100# off the front going from iron to aluminum block 5.4
    -J
     
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  19. NotsoFastFreddie

    NotsoFastFreddie Member Established Member

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    Anyone have a complete parts list from a recent new edge gen 2 swap they care to share?
     
  20. gimmie11s

    gimmie11s Dont be a Hybred Established Member

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    With Gen 3 you get a lighter motor (no sleeves), dual injection, factory "ported" gt350 heads, stronger block than gen 1-2, more compression (12:1), and 12mm studs vs. 11mm in Gen 2.

    Gen 3 is the future. There are guys who have made 500whp spinning to 8k rpm with easy bolt ons. They make power so easy its ridiculous.

    Someone said the coyote has "no top end" and i laughed out loud. What an idiotic statement that is.
     
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