Can this shop be held accountable?

[Colt .45]

Or is my buddy ****ed?

My friend had a perfectly good running 04 Mach 1 with 46k miles. It had the usual bolt ons and was running low 13s@108-109 on street tires.
He then wanted more power so he bought everything for an eaton swap.
Took it to a shop to get installed and a custom tune.
When it was finally finished we picked it up and noticed the dyno was very low on power. The tuner said he had no idea why and he didn't seem interested in finding out why.
Took it to another shop where they did a compression test and 2 cylinders were half the psi of the others and there was oil in the spark plug valleys on the passenger side. There were no problems before this.
So now he is looking at a lot more money to fix this motor.


Is he ****ed?

 

[thepizz]

Good luck proving the shop caused those issues. I'd say he's SOL.

 

[Pumpkinator]

If he can prove that the shop did it then he might have a chance, if not he is ****ed.

 

[SonicBlueJ]

he's ****ed. it will cost more to even try and prove its the shops fault than it will cost to fix it.

 

[cobraman1024]

Personally I would think he might have a chance at proving the shop did the damage if there was a before/after dyno sheet.

 

[Machdup1]

So your friend is suprised when he adds boost to medium compression, used motor that he has been using for drag racing and something goes wrong.

 

[Boomer182]

I would have done a compression check prior, but whats done is done. I highly doubt he will have any luck proving or getting them to paying for it. Post said shop name

 

[Colt .45]

So your friend is suprised when he adds boost to medium compression, used motor that he has been using for drag racing and something goes wrong.

Yes and no.

Just didn't expect the engine to be dead immediately after install.

Is there not any info during a tune that would indicate a motor going south?


I guess we are just more surprised that the shop didn't mention any of this to us before we picked it up.

 

[LS2GTO]

There were no problems before this.

When you say this statement do you mean to tell us that he did a compression test before dropping the car off at the 1st shop and all cylinders came in close to eachother?

Because frankly to me the only reason you thought there might be a problem is due to the lower then expected power output. But how do you know that the car was running perfectly before that unless you had done a compression test and a dyno test and everything came up fine?

I think the problem existed before and only now did you find out about it because power was low. He was probably running on low comp on those two cylinders all along not knowing anything was wrong.

 

[Colt .45]

When you say this statement do you mean to tell us that he did a compression test before dropping the car off at the 1st shop and all cylinders came in close to eachother?

Because frankly to me the only reason you thought there might be a problem is due to the lower then expected power output. But how do you know that the car was running perfectly before that unless you had done a compression test and a dyno test and everything came up fine?

I think the problem existed before and only now did you find out about it because power was low. He was probably running on low comp on those two cylinders all along not knowing anything was wrong.

Well there was definitely no oil in the spark plug valleys. :coolman:

 

[Machdup1]

When you say this statement do you mean to tell us that he did a compression test before dropping the car off at the 1st shop and all cylinders came in close to eachother?

Because frankly to me the only reason you thought there might be a problem is due to the lower then expected power output. But how do you know that the car was running perfectly before that unless you had done a compression test and a dyno test and everything came up fine?

I think the problem existed before and only now did you find out about it because power was low. He was probably running on low comp on those two cylinders all along not knowing anything was wrong.

Exactly. So OP's friend put together a bunch of used parts, had someone else install them and something went bad. By the way, what waviers did he sign and what reassurance's did the shop provide.

OP, BTW, are you sure that all of the parts that he bought used were is perfect working order, I believe this in the parts list that he had to have installed:

2r3z6312baa - Crank pulley /Harmonic Balancer
f1az6378a - washer for balancer
f5rz6a340b - bolt for balancer
2r3z6312ba - Supercharger Crank drive pulley
2r3z10153ca - Bracket that replaces stk. alt. on 99-01 Cobra’s and 03/04 Mach 1’s (Comes w/ pulley below if bought used)
yw7z8678aa - pulley for above bracket
2r3z6b209bc - Pulley bridge assembly for S.C. (If bought new it comes with the bridge, 2 idlers and tensioner)
(8678B) Idler pulley,timing cover pass. side
yw7z8678aa - pulley on drivers side of timing cover
(6D080) Timing cover (if bought new, it comes w/ pulley on drivers side and tensioner)
s5az6700a - timing cover seal
(10A313) Upper alternator bracket
(10153) Lower alternator bracket
(10346) Alternator
1U2Z-14S411-TA Electrical connector (alt. to harmness )
(6B209A) Tensioner on timing cover
2r3z8260ab - Radiator hose
2r3z8a593ab - Radiator hose
2r3z8k576aa - Radiator hose
2r3z8548aa - Water cross over pipe
(6881) Cobra oil cooler adapter
(6A642) Cobra Oil cooler
2r3z9002aa - Cobra fuel tank (optional)
2r3z9h307ab - Cobra fuel pump (optional)
2r3z6f066aa - Eaton supercharger
2r3z9424bb - Lower intake
(6K775) Garrett factory intercooler
3U2Z-14S411-SSA IAT2 sensor connector
2r3z9n491ca - Intercooler hard lines that hug the block (If bought new, it comes w/ part # 9l443c)
(9N491A) Intercooler hard lines that come from the h/e
3r3z9l443aa - Intercooler line that goes from the i/c adapter to i/c res.
2r3z9l443ba - Intercooler line that goes from the i/c adapter to the hard lines that hug the block
2r3z9l443ca - Intercooler line that goes from the hard line against the block to i/c pump(included w/ the hard line that hugs the block if purchased new)
2r3z9l443da - Intercooler line that goes from hard line to hard line
2r3z9l443ea - Intercooler line that goes from hard line from h/e to i/c pump
2r3z9l443fa - Intercooler line that goes from hard line and connects to h/e
2r3z9l443ga - Intercooler line that goes from hard line and connects to h/e
f8yz8501aa - Ford / Bosche water pump for intercooler
2r3z8n500ac - Intercooler pump bracket
2r3z8k226aa - Factory heat exchanger
2r3z8a193aa - Heat exchanger mounting bracket
2r3z8c386aa - 2each bracket clamps for h/e
(9N491B) Lower manifold to intercooler water adapter
2r3z9a589ca - Plenum
(9B659) Intake tube from maf to t/b.
(9F715) IAC valve
2r3z9f593ba - Injectors
(6F089) Boost bypass actuator
2r3z9a825aa - Cruise control cable
2r3z9a758aa - Throttle cable
(9728) Throttle and cruise control cable mounting bracket
1l3z12b579aa - MAF
xw4z9d475ab - EGR valve
2r3z9d477ad - EGR tube
(6C324) PCV tubing
(9F479) Sensor on the back of the S/C
(9J432) Bracket for vacuum stuff on left side of the S/C
(9H465) Vacuum stuff
(9J459) Vacuum stuff
(9J460) Vacuum stuff
(9E498) Hose's or tube cluster of connectors for the vacuum parts above
e83z9f670a IAC gasket
2r3z6020aa - Timing cover gasket LH side
2r3z6020ba -Timing cover gasket middle
2r3z6020ca - Timing cover gasket RH side
2r3z9h486aa - Lower intake to S.C. gasket
2r3z9l437bb - Plenum to S/C gasket
e6az9d476b - EGR gasket
2r3z3490aa - Power steering resevoir bracket.
I/C resivoir tank
i/c pigtail
S/C 8 rib belt
inner acc. belt.
n804178s309 - (8) Nuts for plenum, coolant crossover and pulley bridge can be picked up at local auto parts store in help section.
n805164437 - (1) Bolt for pulley cage to timing cover.
n808102s437 - bolt that is used on the idlers and pulleys. Only need if you buy parts seperately. You will need a total of at least 6 of these.
n808920s437 - Pulley bridge bolts
n606677-s36 (4) Bolts to bolt the bracket clamps to the h/e bracket
N605909s437 - (4) bolts for the upper alt. bracket
n807274s437 (1) lower alt. bracket to alt bolt
n811313s431 (4) studs to bolt plenum to s/c
w506404s437 (10) i/c to s/c bolts


One bad fuel system part and it could easily explain the issue.

 

[megameGT500]

I would have done a compression check prior, but whats done is done. I highly doubt he will have any luck proving or getting them to paying for it. Post said shop name

+65,00
A simple, relatively cheap test could have told you a lot. Plus, if they did the test the shop might have had a difficult time explaining the aftermath.

 

[Colt .45]

+65,00
A simple, relatively cheap test could have told you a lot. Plus, if they did the test the shop might have had a difficult time explaining the aftermath.

Aight. Gotcha.

So he is SOL.

Thanks.

 

[tistan]

Well there was definitely no oil in the spark plug valleys. :coolman:

Oil in that area is usually due to seals on the valve covers leaking. The factory seals suck balls.

 

[PowerWheels]

Simple, do everything in your power to bankrupt the guy. That's what I'd do.

I'd give them one more chance to make it right.

 

[s_x_i]

Name the shop

 

[Boomer182]

+65,00
A simple, relatively cheap test could have told you a lot. Plus, if they did the test the shop might have had a difficult time explaining the aftermath.

Yep. Heck he could have done it himself. I understand a car that has 45k miles shouldn't have any issues, but If he already had bolt on's, and was racing it, there is not telling what issues that might have been on the verge of happening. I don't see the shop doing anything, because it could have already been hurt. Yes they should have ran a compression test before agreeing to install, and therefore the shop is in the wrong there, because they don't have proof that it wasn't there fault. Its 50/50.

 

[thomas91169]

Shouldve installed it himself.

 

[canibus]

i'd say "****ed" is a good term for this situation

 

[NasteeNate]

sometimes being a gearhead sucks when you dont have the experience to wrench on your own.