Billet oil pump gears

[GeorgeInNePa]

It's not the horsepower that is being made that causes the gears to fail. It's the rpm's the motor is turning. The oil pump doesn't know if it's in a motor making 375 hp or 750 hp. It does know if the motor is spinning 7500 rpm's. So if your still running the stock rev limiter there shouldn't be a need for the billet gears on a street driven car. BUT if your at the track a lot and are seeing some high rpm's, I'm sure it would be a worthwhile upgrade. My .02

This.

Livernois broke a set of OEM gears on an N/A Coyote engine, in 2010. It's an RPM thing...

 

[truebluedevil02]

its not a HP thing, its all about the RPM, most people that boost there cars also raise the rev limiter to 7300-7500rpm. 800rpm is A LOT, and the factory pieces can only hold on for so long.

 

[bull3441]

Most of the time a oil pump fails, it's from bouncing the rev limiter. L&M prefers to set the limiter out of the way. They rather over spin the motor than hit the limiter and cause an oil pump failure. Search GT500's and oil pump failures, they're all from hitting the limiter. Oil does play a role as well.

 

[RFM50]

Thanks for all the helpful info guys. I feel a lot better now about not putting billet gears in right away. I will probably hold off until I step up the intake manifold and boost.

 

[twistedneck]

Most of the time a oil pump fails, it's from bouncing the rev limiter. L&M prefers to set the limiter out of the way. They rather over spin the motor than hit the limiter and cause an oil pump failure. Search GT500's and oil pump failures, they're all from hitting the limiter. Oil does play a role as well.

excellent information i'm not as worried now about taking my stock coyote to 7500 here and there.. no bouncing of the 7600 bama rpm limit

so does anyone know if they make a billet back plate for it like the gt500? wouldn't it be best to swap both for a pure racing application? maybe the cobra jet doesn't need it but a road race car might (or a nascar type).

 

[bcolenj]

RPM and oil weight are the two factors. Oil is a liquid and not compressible. When the pump turns it pushes the oil. Think of it like two objects hitting each other. The two things that determine damage are speed and mass of the objects. With this relation the speed or rpm of the pump directly relates to the speed of the objects. Oil weight and mass are related indirectly. With the two objects hitting each other, their mass determines their resistance to change in speed so heavier objects have more resistance to change and do more damage. Oil weight is similar. A heavy weight is oil is thicker and harder for the pump to move which means there is more stress on the pump gear.

TLDR: RPM and oil weight are the two factors that determine damage.

 

[cidsamuth]

RPM and oil weight are the two factors. Oil is a liquid and not compressible. When the pump turns it pushes the oil. Think of it like two objects hitting each other. The two things that determine damage are speed and mass of the objects. With this relation the speed or rpm of the pump directly relates to the speed of the objects. Oil weight and mass are related indirectly. With the two objects hitting each other, their mass determines their resistance to change in speed so heavier objects have more resistance to change and do more damage. Oil weight is similar. A heavy weight is oil is thicker and harder for the pump to move which means there is more stress on the pump gear.

TLDR: RPM and oil weight are the two factors that determine damage.

Finally, an argument for 5w-20 oil. Wooohooo!!:banana:

 

[RFM50]

Thats a great point! My question to you is, what oil viscosity do you recommend both na and with a power adder? I have always been told that u should run a thicker viscosity oil with a sc or some sort of power adder.

 

[bcolenj]

Thats a great point! My question to you is, what oil viscosity do you recommend both na and with a power adder? I have always been told that u should run a thicker viscosity oil with a sc or some sort of power adder.

Theres no real concrete answer. That being said, I have a 2.3 whipple on my 5.0 and I run RP HPS 5w30 (SVTP did a front page about this oil) but its a street car/daily and it barely sees track time.

 

[RFM50]

Theres no real concrete answer. That being said, I have a 2.3 whipple on my 5.0 and I run RP HPS 5w30 (SVTP did a front page about this oil) but its a street car/daily and it barely sees track time.

Ok thanks. I just swapped to 5w-30 and to me it seems like the right oil for our cars. I planned on sticking to that and think my motor will last longer.

 

[RFM50]

Has anybody seen or purchased the ford racing oil pump with billet gears? It says it was designed for the cobra jet and forced induction aplications.

5.0L TI-VCT BILLET STEEL GERATOR OIL PUMP -- M-6600-50CJ

 

[jymboslice]

Has anybody seen or purchased the ford racing oil pump with billet gears? It says it was designed for the cobra jet and forced induction aplications.

5.0L TI-VCT BILLET STEEL GERATOR OIL PUMP -- M-6600-50CJ

That seems pretty expensive for just the oil pump gears and oil pump.

I'm going with MMR's set for $300.

 

[RFM50]

I read some where that the new gt500 pump comes with a billet backing plate as well. I would say its a safe bet to say this is the same pump

 

[Modular Racing]

That seems pretty expensive for just the oil pump gears and oil pump.

I'm going with MMR's set for $300.

The MMR oil pump is also guaranteed for life to the original owner, each pump undergoes a strict pressure and spin test on our pump dyno, as we are aware of MMR and Roush are the only company that has the ability to spin and pressure test these pumps. :beer:

 

[RFM50]

The MMR oil pump is also guaranteed for life to the original owner, each pump undergoes a strict pressure and spin test on our pump dyno, as we are aware of MMR and Roush are the only company that has the ability to spin and pressure test these pumps. :beer:

Ok thats sound great except all I can find is the billet gears on your sight. Whats the cost of the pump? I would gladley purchase one from you when I am ready if I could find one on your sight.

 

[Modular Racing]

The MMR Hurricane pump is what you are after, it is part# 460600, here is a link to purchase the complete pump:

Products » 2011 Mustang Parts » MMR » PN#460600 2011-2013 5.0 MMR Hurricane Billet Geared Oil Pump

 

[RFM50]

The MMR Hurricane pump is what you are after, it is part# 460600, here is a link to purchase the complete pump:

Products » 2011 Mustang Parts » MMR » PN#460600 2011-2013 5.0 MMR Hurricane Billet Geared Oil Pump

Thanks! Thats a lot better price then what ford racing wants! I will be purchasing one as soon as I get a couple other things I want first and some of th paxton paid off. Thanks again

 

[Modular Racing]

Thank you! We look forward to helping!

 

[Modular Racing]

ttt

 

[RI_2011_GT]

I'm running Motul 5w40 since the GT500 and Boss run that weight. I don't see any track use, but do have a 2.3 TVS. You can get TSS Billet Oil Pump gears also. I will say the whole install is a pain in the ass..... you have to take the whole front cover off to get to the oil pump. I haven't done it yet, but is on my list of mods for the fall.