are west point cadets considered higher ranking than enlisted?
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Now THAT is getting printed and posted at work! It's ok, I work with mostly 0-4 and 0-5 pilots with good senses of humor!
why the hell would he not listen and just keep saying yes sir yes sir idiot
I didn't take crap from anyone didn't matter the rank...i didn't let anyone push me around regardless of rank.
worked out for me, I never backed down on somthing i knew was right.
Or they had balls to stand up for whats right...If your doing it to be a douche then you get whats coming to you.
Ran into this amny a time, finally got sick of it got into a lets see who can yell louder. You don't screw with me or my family i will own your soul. had an E9 not pay me for 3 months...my senator won happens to be the chairman of the arms committee.
Did he work at finance? Just curious how an E-9 can not pay you?
Exactly. Because a E9 canNOT take pay from you. Matter of fact it has to be a Officer (commander) and depending on the offenders' rank, will determine what rank the Officer has to be. And normally a Commander ONLY takes rank, pay, assigns additional duty, etc...under the advicement of the Legal Office. Commanders are NOT required to listen to the Legal Office, but they would be morons if they did.
And it you lost 3 months base pay, you had to of been charged with some kind of crime under the UCMJ and probably offered a suspended bust...normally you are charged with a Crime and given a Article 15 for this. So did you receive a Article 15?
I would like to know why and how you thought a E9 took your pay. A E9 can of course recommend it to the Commander, but he has ZERO authority in taking your pay.
Of course, I am talking from the AF side of the house.
I am pretty sure there is more to this story that we don't know...
Even if the E9 worked in Finance, he wouldn't of been the decision factor in just randomly taking his pay.
Because a E9 canNOT take pay from you. Matter of fact it has to be a Officer (commander) and depending on the offenders' rank, will determine what rank the Officer has to be. And normally a Commander ONLY takes rank, pay, assigns additional duty, etc...under the advicement of the Legal Office. Commanders are NOT required to listen to the Legal Office, but they would be morons if they did.
And it you lost 3 months base pay, you had to of been charged with some kind of crime under the UCMJ and probably offered a suspended bust...normally you are charged with a Crime and given a Article 15 for this. So did you receive a Article 15?
I would like to know why and how you thought a E9 took your pay. A E9 can of course recommend it to the Commander, but he has ZERO authority in taking your pay.
Of course, I am talking from the AF side of the house.
I am pretty sure there is more to this story that we don't know...
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I know an enlisted member can't take pay.
I know of one instance where an Airman in my squadron was overpaid for about 2 years on BAS and he kept it on the down low. One day he went to finance and the NCO helping him discovered the error, so they took action to re-coupe his indebtedness...all at once, so he didn't get paid anything for over a month. He was flaming mad at finance and how an NCO garnished his pay (or so he thought). So I could see how certain pay issues may make someone think another enlisted member yields power over their pay as far as taking it.
If it was NJP for an Article-15 the most a commissioned officer who must have administrative control over the member and be on G-series orders can actually take is 1/2 base pay for 2 months. The UCMJ doesn't allow for more in terms of pay forfeiture and it would not pass legal review at any DoD JAG.
A lot of enlisted also think that any commissioned officer can impose NJP, most can only recommend just like enlisted. If a certain commander doesn't have the grade required to impose the punishment on a member that is needed, it is elevated to the next level of leadership that has the authority an is on G-series orders. Had to coordinate a few Article 15s this way when our acting commander (a Captain) on G-series orders didn't have enough bite to correct the member, so an O-6 at the Group did.
Typo E8 and admin...did not submit request for pay for 3 months. So it wasn't really a taking of pay but never even submitting the request.
^^^^^^^This is correct. As a retired Master sergeant and Master Medical Technician in the USAF, I took and did not take crap from anyone except my Chief Nurse. She was God! Cadets of any branch do not have authority or rank over an enlisted NCO. But respect is a two way street. Had any of my NCO's showed disrespect to any cadet in the line of duty, then there would be hell to pay and vis versa.
If it was in conjunction with a promotion to E-4 or below I could see this happening. It has happened to Air Force people as well where a promotion roster gets jacked up and they are not added during their promotion month and they have to wait until a subsequent month or so to get their pay increase (although when they do receive it, they eventually get back pay.) In that case I can see how an enlisted admin guy can affect your pay.
Thats better. Figured there was a little more to the story.
Ditto. You technically get categorized as an E-5 when dealing with pay, but you hold no command over anyone.
However, I have seen drill sergeants make privates salute cadets if that cadet is shadowing an officer at DCLT.
It works both ways though. I've seen cadets who thought they were better than lower enlisted and I've seen lower enlisted who thought they were better than cadets.
In hindsight I guess it's like arguing over who finished 9th out of a 10 man race.
Also, at any training, a cadet is tyically treated as lower enlisted. Airborne, air assault, mountain warfare, etc...You don't get the perks of being an O until you raise that right hand.
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cadets are nothing but cadets.. they have no authority and hold no rank, therfore are not higher than enlisted personel.
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