Anyone else frustrated with Ford over the next GT500?
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1/14/19 maybe better than Christmas!?
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Just wondering about how many years we might see this car what with the next chassis on the way. I keep coming back to two years as much as that makes a terrible business case. Amortizing costs in that short of a duration only serves to bump everything up a notch. A third year, if they were able to have squeezed in 2019, may very well have helped (or could it be 2020/2021 and then a short run in 2022?).
Based on recent Mustangs from SVT/FR/whatever the **** they are called now, I'd guess an annual production run of 5,000 to 7,500 units. What I am concerned about is if Ford once again chooses to limit R/KR/whatever the **** they decide to call it production in each model year. As an enthusiast that has witnessed their strategies throughout the years I really hope they simply meet the demand for each iteration they choose to offer.
If all versions of this car use the same engine/drivetrain, the choice Ford makes as to the percentage mix of regular GT500 vs full gonzo GT500 is one of ego IMHO. At such low volume they would or will sell each and every one. Artificially limiting the mix to promote and celebrate demand for reasons that may be beyond those of pure economics is nothing more than a gut punch to prospective buyers. I'd like for this to not be the case but after witnessing what has taken place with the GT350 I suspect that version 2.0 may be even more annoying. Please Ford, prove me wrong and give the people what they want.
Based on recent Mustangs from SVT/FR/whatever the **** they are called now, I'd guess an annual production run of 5,000 to 7,500 units. What I am concerned about is if Ford once again chooses to limit R/KR/whatever the **** they decide to call it production in each model year. As an enthusiast that has witnessed their strategies throughout the years I really hope they simply meet the demand for each iteration they choose to offer.
If all versions of this car use the same engine/drivetrain, the choice Ford makes as to the percentage mix of regular GT500 vs full gonzo GT500 is one of ego IMHO. At such low volume they would or will sell each and every one. Artificially limiting the mix to promote and celebrate demand for reasons that may be beyond those of pure economics is nothing more than a gut punch to prospective buyers. I'd like for this to not be the case but after witnessing what has taken place with the GT350 I suspect that version 2.0 may be even more annoying. Please Ford, prove me wrong and give the people what they want.
I see ford having the s550 available until late 2021/22.
20/21/22 gt500 is my bet, but I don’t think it’s a guarantee the s550 will die in 2022. The electric thing is a risky step. I think we might have an electric mustang and an s550 variant simultaneous. The probe and mustang sold simultaneous as did the rwd escort in foreign markets.
The mustang is a ford staple, they won’t fix (castrate) what isn’t broke, but they will seek to build from it.
F150/f series case in point. The vans went euro, truck has yet to do so. Vans aren’t selling as well, changes in the works.
(Joking about the van)
If I’m wrong and they kill the mustang for an electric suv, I’m done with new ford cars for a while
20/21/22 gt500 is my bet, but I don’t think it’s a guarantee the s550 will die in 2022. The electric thing is a risky step. I think we might have an electric mustang and an s550 variant simultaneous. The probe and mustang sold simultaneous as did the rwd escort in foreign markets.
The mustang is a ford staple, they won’t fix (castrate) what isn’t broke, but they will seek to build from it.
F150/f series case in point. The vans went euro, truck has yet to do so. Vans aren’t selling as well, changes in the works.
(Joking about the van)
If I’m wrong and they kill the mustang for an electric suv, I’m done with new ford cars for a while
Damn I started this thread in June 2017 after being frustrated at a Cars and Coffee.
Now here we are 20 days away from seeing the next 500 and still a lot to learn.
Tob I’d agree this is a 3 year run of 500 and I’m guessing a 2 year run of 500R.
What that hinges on is what year will S650 chassis debut?
Another good question is will they continue the 350 other than ‘19 or ‘19-20.
2019 GT350 already a definite and that puts 2020 GT500 in showrooms late 2019, meaning both will be sold together in calendar year ‘19 even though different MY.
I still say there’s room for a DCT GT350 along side 500 in 2020 MY, but that’s just me wanting to see a DCT 350R decimate competition on the road course due to DCT.
Still can’t wait to hear the full scoop on GT500/500R and all the tricks we haven’t seen yet. I’m still hoping for 750+ and sub 4000#, even if we only hear 500 specs and need to wait on 500R (which I also is called KR, but what do I know about this cars historical precedents).
Here’s to 2020 fellas, let’s enjoy the HP wars while we can!
-J
Now here we are 20 days away from seeing the next 500 and still a lot to learn.
Tob I’d agree this is a 3 year run of 500 and I’m guessing a 2 year run of 500R.
What that hinges on is what year will S650 chassis debut?
Another good question is will they continue the 350 other than ‘19 or ‘19-20.
2019 GT350 already a definite and that puts 2020 GT500 in showrooms late 2019, meaning both will be sold together in calendar year ‘19 even though different MY.
I still say there’s room for a DCT GT350 along side 500 in 2020 MY, but that’s just me wanting to see a DCT 350R decimate competition on the road course due to DCT.
Still can’t wait to hear the full scoop on GT500/500R and all the tricks we haven’t seen yet. I’m still hoping for 750+ and sub 4000#, even if we only hear 500 specs and need to wait on 500R (which I also is called KR, but what do I know about this cars historical precedents).
Here’s to 2020 fellas, let’s enjoy the HP wars while we can!
-J
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I'd buy that van, just sayin.
Just wondering about how many years we might see this car what with the next chassis on the way. I keep coming back to two years as much as that makes a terrible business case. Amortizing costs in that short of a duration only serves to bump everything up a notch. A third year, if they were able to have squeezed in 2019, may very well have helped (or could it be 2020/2021 and then a short run in 2022?).
Based on recent Mustangs from SVT/FR/whatever the **** they are called now, I'd guess an annual production run of 5,000 to 7,500 units. What I am concerned about is if Ford once again chooses to limit R/KR/whatever the **** they decide to call it production in each model year. As an enthusiast that has witnessed their strategies throughout the years I really hope they simply meet the demand for each iteration they choose to offer.
If all versions of this car use the same engine/drivetrain, the choice Ford makes as to the percentage mix of regular GT500 vs full gonzo GT500 is one of ego IMHO. At such low volume they would or will sell each and every one. Artificially limiting the mix to promote and celebrate demand for reasons that may be beyond those of pure economics is nothing more than a gut punch to prospective buyers. I'd like for this to not be the case but after witnessing what has taken place with the GT350 I suspect that version 2.0 may be even more annoying. Please Ford, prove me wrong and give the people what they want.
This post is spot-on.
To add just a bit, I'm concerned that with the absence of a 700+HP beast GT500 since 2014, that the demand for this new GT500 will be so strong that it will drive ADMs to insane heights. Couple that with guys like me that enjoyed our '13/'14 GT500s and sat on the sidelines while the GT350 took center stage (as it wasn't our cup of tea) and I'm not sure if I will be able to get my hands on one until at least the '21 model year. Long story short: guys like me (that will not pay ADM) will be waiting another ~2 years until we get to lay our hands on one.
buying used isnt so bad
Find a dealer who is not going to order it. Pay the $1k fee to order and msrp and you have a car first year.
Normally I would completely refuse to buy a used car. The only exception I would make would be a low-miles limited production car like a Shelby. Typically I don't like buying other people's problems, but when it comes to cars like the Shelby, their problems typically revolve around not being able to handle or afford the car, which pushes the low miles cars into the market.
If the ADM's are through the roof and I like the car, I'd be willing to wait for a low miles used car to pop up on the grid.
If the ADM's are through the roof and I like the car, I'd be willing to wait for a low miles used car to pop up on the grid.
I like buying other people's depreciation... I'll let them take the 20% hit, or whatever it tends to be, as soon as they drive off the lot.
Now, something like a Shelby that may not be the case, but I would imagine a new Shelby still commands a premium over a used one.
If they build it, people will come.
I didn’t know that was a possibility. If a small dealer doesn’t get an allocation, then I’d still be able to order w/o dealer ADM?
The SVT program was a pay to play program that one needs to sign up for. This is how for has run it with the 13 500 and 16 350. It worked like this.
If a dealer is interested in a new Shelby Mustang they need to sign up and pay a fee for the right to at least get one allocation per year. This fee was $1k a year. Many rural or just ford truck dealers think selling a specialized car is too much of a hassle so they pass.
Ford takes every dealer that signs up to sell the Shelby and then allocates them cars. Many dealers only get one a year as the contract stipulates. The bigger dealers get more.
If you find a dealer that doesn’t want one and will not order one and agree to pay his fee to order one(you may have to pay the dealer fee for both years) before the contracts are due into ford you could have a new 500 the first year at msrp plus the dealer contract fee.
If a dealer is interested in a new Shelby Mustang they need to sign up and pay a fee for the right to at least get one allocation per year. This fee was $1k a year. Many rural or just ford truck dealers think selling a specialized car is too much of a hassle so they pass.
Ford takes every dealer that signs up to sell the Shelby and then allocates them cars. Many dealers only get one a year as the contract stipulates. The bigger dealers get more.
If you find a dealer that doesn’t want one and will not order one and agree to pay his fee to order one(you may have to pay the dealer fee for both years) before the contracts are due into ford you could have a new 500 the first year at msrp plus the dealer contract fee.
Unless the owner is a moron and just doesn’t want to hastle.
Had that completely baffling conversation back in January of 2012 before putting a deposit in on my ‘13.
Found this guy milling around. Gone and sadly missed. Gave him a ride.
GT3RS? Mr. Hameedi is missed!
If inly you knew people at ford... For you know, inside info...
I'm guessing a GT3.
Correct, zoom in on the seat
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