I was a big Clinton supporter (surprise surprise) but I have to admit, the way that administration handled waco was a sickening display.
Another question of philosophy: time to pull the trigger?
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Koresh has a special hot place in Hell of his own making, of course.
The government just hastened the process in their ham-fisted way at the expense of quite a few people....the very people they were trying to protect.
Koresh was predicting his own demise in fire, and got what he prohesied.
Too bad.
The government just hastened the process in their ham-fisted way at the expense of quite a few people....the very people they were trying to protect.
Koresh was predicting his own demise in fire, and got what he prohesied.
Too bad.
I see, so you hope to impose your will on him because you have a problem with it?
Big difference though. This is America and people have rights. Guess you missed (more like don't care about) that part. It's just slightly important to the civilized world.
Do you have proof? That's not what I understand happened.
Why? Because he thought he was god and YOU wont have that? You'll kill him first right? He doesn't have the right to a trial, let's just eliminate him. Statism on display folks.
I despised clinton and reno, but I despise people who flaunt their hatred for this country even more. Yeah, it could have been handled better. They did the best they could in a tough situation.
WTF was he doing with those machine guns anyway? Why didn't he pay taxes like the rest of us? What kind of person shoots and kills government agents? He needed to die, and he brought innocents down with him. His right to liberty ended when he and his followers pulled the triggers and set the flames.
WTF was he doing with those machine guns anyway? Why didn't he pay taxes like the rest of us? What kind of person shoots and kills government agents? He needed to die, and he brought innocents down with him. His right to liberty ended when he and his followers pulled the triggers and set the flames.
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I don't care who thinks they are the messiah. What bothered me was in the quote.
That is not against the law either.
Baloney. The govt had many chances to nab him out in town.
Probably to protect himself from an overbearing government. Guess he was right huh?
So if people don't pay their taxes the government has the right to spray CS gas in your house with tanks, shoot at you, kill 100 people, and light your house on fire to get to you? I don't believe the government has the right to TAKE my money anyway.
The kind that gets shot at.
So you are telling me the little 3 month old babies gave up their liberty when they pulled the trigger? Get a grip.
You need to stop being so quick at jumping to conclusions. It was a blunder on the most massive scale. Little babies died. There is no justification for that. None.
Statism. Just say no.
Why do I always get into arguments with Californians? I will agree to disagree with you on these principles, our differences of opinion will never be resolved.
People can flaunt their hatred of the government, but I don't have to like it. People can hoard machine guns all they want, but they damn well better follow the laws regarding those weapons, otherwise they risk being considered dangerous (by me and by the government). If a policeman or government agent comes to arrest you with guns drawn, you had damn well better lay down your arms and get on the ground. If you shoot at them, you will likely die. If you are a parent who puts your three month old in that situation, Darwin's law takes over.
I give up. Think what you want, that is what makes our country great. Just don't go to far, like Koresh did. :shrug:
People can flaunt their hatred of the government, but I don't have to like it. People can hoard machine guns all they want, but they damn well better follow the laws regarding those weapons, otherwise they risk being considered dangerous (by me and by the government). If a policeman or government agent comes to arrest you with guns drawn, you had damn well better lay down your arms and get on the ground. If you shoot at them, you will likely die. If you are a parent who puts your three month old in that situation, Darwin's law takes over.
I give up. Think what you want, that is what makes our country great. Just don't go to far, like Koresh did. :shrug:
Sinister Angel
Buh Bye !
Nope, you don't, that's the beautiful thing about freedom.
What if those laws are wrong? Why does not following them make someone dangerous? If anything, your stupidity is more dangerous to society then a guy who stockpiles Class III goodies for fun. At least I can count on him being ready to defend his freedoms, I can't say the same about you.
So let's say I violate a law that got passed nixing my freedom of speech. You are saying I should give in and not fight for that freedom? Please, see above quote regarding people giving up freedom for "security".
If it get's to the point where the government has their puppets going around with their guns drawn automatically with a threaten first attitude, it's probably best they do get shot. Also, they shouldn't worry about me doing the shooting, I just answer the door... it's my one friend 200 yards out with an SSG3000 that he has to worry about, and in the event he misses, my other friend in the opposite direction.
If the government let's me keep my rights, nothing is going to happen. In fact, I'm a rather nice guy, and damn charitable too!
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Which laws are you talking about, specifically? You disagree with the registration fees for automatic weapons? Then lobby peacefully to change them. We are not so different. I am not some pussy anti-gun nut cowering in fear. I own several weapons, and know how to use them. I do not think the current regulations are too restrictive.
Sorry, I don't see that happening at this point. And no, I would back you up.
I would be less worried about the lone individual who has a hard on for automatic weapons than an obviously psychotic cult leader who had brainwashed many others into following his bizarre teachings, and who was preparing for an attack of some kind, like that nut was. I for one, am glad he is no longer a threat.
But my eyes are always open for other threats. I'm glad your's are too. I think an armed populace is a good thing.
You think they were brainwashed? How about the rest of religion? Why do you not consider them brainwashed and dangerous too? There are 2 large cults today and many smaller ones. One is christian and the other is muslim. Both are large cults who worship an imaginary entity. That scares me a whole lot more than one small cult.
Muslim extremists (Wahhabiists) I consider dangerous, in general, since they have sworn jihad against "nonbelievers" (everyone but them), and especially Americans for some reason.
Other religions don't worry me as much. I am not religious, but I look warily on extremists of any sort, because they tend to be the ones who are discontent with living peacefully among others.
03DOHC.... I'm with you 100% on this one.
Sinister Angel
Buh Bye !
Three of us now, anyone else?
TnPaulMan
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All I know is that if the government knocks on my door in an attempt to take my guns from me, they will have a lot of lead headed in their direction.
Paul
Paul
we're the gov't and we're here to help
Exactly!!!
Koresh directly caused the deaths of those people.
Woo big bad gubbermint!!!
Agreed!
so adam, you believe the gov't has the right to use deadly force against american citizens that have caused no harm to anyone but themselves and haven't been convicted of any crimes?
i still think the gov't could have taken the high road on this one. they wern't going anywhere.
And I agree.. This thread disturbs me ! ! ! :nonono:
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