47 deputies stripped of guns and duties

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apologies in advance for link to CNN but best article i could find with most info



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In Alameda County, just across the bay from San Francisco, 45 sheriff’s deputies have had their guns taken away.
They’re now confined to desk duties. They cannot arrest anyone. They cannot even issue traffic citations.
The department’s admission comes after an internal audit found those 45 deputies had failed the psychological evaluation that was part of the hiring process. They all received a grade of “D. Not Suited.” Not suited to be a law enforcement officer.


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The evaluation they failed is mandated by California state law for anyone who wants to be a peace officer.
“If you’re looking at criminal cases or arrests that are based on an officer’s credibility … then that’s a problem,” says Adante Pointer, an attorney in Oakland who specializes in police brutality cases. “That could lead to convictions being overturned, charges dismissed.”
The audit, according to the sheriff’s department, was triggered by a double homicide in early-September. The suspect? A sheriff’s deputy.
“The two people, a husband and wife, suffered from gunshot wounds and were pronounced dead at the scene,” according to a release from the Alameda County District Attorney, which also says, “Devin Williams Jr, an Alameda County Sheriff’s Office deputy, has been charged with two counts of murder.” Detectives believe Williams “had been in a dating relationship with the female victim,” according to the arrest report. His lawyer did not return calls CNN made seeking comment.
“Devin Williams was the catalyst,” Lieutenant Ray Kelly of the Alameda County Sheriff’s Office told CNN. “You have to look at not just the crime, but the fact that he was a law enforcement officer. And ask, are we missing something here? Red flags?”
Kelly would not comment on whether Williams had failed the psychological evaluation.
Williams is now being held at Santa Rita jail, where 30 of the 45 deputies who failed the psychological evaluation work. Earlier this year, a judge ordered external oversight of the jail, settling a lawsuit filed by inmates who claimed there was a dearth of mental health care as well as abusive conditions. A Department of Justice investigation into conditions at the jail, published last year, concluded that the county and the sheriff’s department likely violated federal law and the constitution by failing to provide inmates with adequate mental health care.
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“From 2015 to 2019, at least 14 prisoners died by suicide in the Jail,” reads the April 2021 report in part. “Two other prisoners have died by suicide at the Jail within the last two months.”
“The question is, is there a correlation?” said Pointer, the attorney. Those deputies who failed the psychological evaluation, he said, “worked there for several years, in that jail.”
The 45 cited are among around 1,000 Alameda County deputies who have taken the psychological evaluation since 2016 and were hired, or less than 5%, Kelly says.
The evaluation mandated by California state law includes a written section, a background check and an interview, that according to the statute, is used “to determine if the candidate is free from any emotional or mental condition, including bias against race or ethnicity, gender, nationality, religion, disability or sexual orientation that might adversely affect the exercise of the powers of the peace officer.”
Before getting the job, California law stipulates that candidates for the position “must be determined to be psychologically suitable.” So, by law you cannot get a “Not Suited” assessment and then be hired. But the Sheriff’s Department claims they were told otherwise, numerous times, by California’s Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training, known by the acronym POST.
In a letter sent to those 45 deputies late last week, Sheriff Gregory Ahern wrote, “The Sheriff’s Office has been operating under information provided a number of years ago from POST that we can hire candidates who receive a “D. Not Suited” evaluation. Unfortunately, this is not the case.”
Kelly says he has correspondence that proves POST gave the department what he called “bad information.” He told CNN he cannot release it at this time.
“We are still investigating, and I can’t comment on any of that,” Meagan Poulos, a spokesperson for POST told CNN . She said she is unaware of any similar problems at other sheriff’s departments in the state. “This is actually the first time this has ever been an issue for us. We are in a lot of uncharted waters.”
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Asked if any of the deputies who failed the evaluation could be considered a danger to society, Kelly said, “I feel no. But then you have the Devin Williams scenario.”
Kelly says the department has reviewed the service records of all 45 deputies. “No red flags. No bias flags,” he said.
The group, he said, includes a lot of female deputies and deputies of color, and a few White men.
He said not one of the 45 has a diagnosed mental health condition.
But Pointer, the Oakland attorney who specializes in police brutality cases, is skeptical.
“Forgive me if I am unable to take their claims at face value,” said Pointer. “They can’t just say, ‘Move along.’”
The deputies can now take another psychological evaluation and, if they pass, immediately return to full duties, Kelly says. In the meantime, they are on full pay. “It’s about 25 shifts per week that we need to fill at the jail,” said Kelly. “We can absorb that in the short-term.”
When Lieutenant Kelly was hired more than 25 years ago, he says there were thousands of applicants for very few jobs. He says the bar for entry was so high, “It was a case of do this, or become a saint.”
But, he says, times have changed. There are now very few applicants and plenty of vacant positions. Kelly cites the stress of the job, now carried out under social media scrutiny, as one reason that recruiting and retaining deputies has become such a challenge. “The caliber of the individuals that we would hire has decreased,” he said. “Now we are willing to overlook and waive some things that normally would never have got you in the front door of this place.”
Kelly told CNN that many of the 45 deputies who failed the psychological evaluation were straight out of college. And their youth, he says, rather than severe character flaws, might be why they flunked. “Imagine you’ve never had a job. You don’t have kids. Imagine trying to deal with a domestic violence situation. You don’t have any experience of that,” he said. “That’s why they might have had trouble with the psych exam.”
Not everyone is ready to accept that explanation.
“If you don’t have the maturity or the life experience to make life or death decisions,” says Pointer. “Then you shouldn’t be trusted with a badge. Or a gun.”
 

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**every other article i see out there says 47 officers, not 45. good old CNN
 

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Brilliant.

2/3 are COs. Not sure how Cali works but a lot of deputies have to go there first, and some never leave. Don’t even think they have arrest authority if they haven’t moved out working the jail.

But still. What a cluster.


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The union is not fighting for them to get off desk duty?

im sure the countys lawyers are warning them that there is billions in liability at stake. this is aftermath of the recent deputy who murdered a couple in their home.


they said they will be doing "private retesting" so im sure most if not all will pass with at least a C grade after that and be reinstated.

the potential to have this spread to other departments throughout the state though...
 

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I’m curious as to why they’re saying an old California law allowed them to hire applicants even with a failing psych exam as if that was an acceptable procedure

In jersey that’s the last step to becoming hired and if you fail you’re done, no questions.
 

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Honestly, lol at CA conducting psychological testing.

Question 1: Can men have babies?

Deputy: No!

State of CA: FAIL!


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This was my first thought honestly…CA doing psych tests…would love to see the questions…this state needs to float out to sea and disappear
 

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I have no problem with getting unfit officers off the streets.
Having gone through quite a few of the departments here in Illinois, including Chicago, i can say if you took all the unfit/unqualified officers off the streets, you wouldn't have much of a police force anymore.

They seem to want to hire and promote the bottom of the barrel candidates, and it's showing in the policing results all over the country.

Not saying that all cops are bad, because there are some fantastic officers out there, but it has become a very political driven job over the past 10 years. The intelligent or high quality candidates don't want anything to do with that bullshit and are running for the hills. They want psychologists and "yes men" now, not police officers who will stop criminals. And if you do stop criminals, you better do it very respectfully and non-violently or you'll have your life ruined.
 

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Having gone through quite a few of the departments here in Illinois, including Chicago, i can say if you took all the unfit/unqualified officers off the streets, you wouldn't have much of a police force anymore.

They seem to want to hire and promote the bottom of the barrel candidates, and it's showing in the policing results all over the country.

Not saying that all cops are bad, because there are some fantastic officers out there, but it has become a very political driven job over the past 10 years. The intelligent or high quality candidates don't want anything to do with that bullshit and are running for the hills. They want psychologists and "yes men" now, not police officers who will stop criminals. And if you do stop criminals, you better do it very respectfully and non-violently or you'll have your life ruined.

I attended a college that had a strong CJ program. Granted these were 18-22 year olds guys but if these CJ students, who earned Bachelor's degrees, were the best officers out there, good Lord we need help because many of these guys were not real bright and had very questionable moral compasses.

I can only imagine how bad some officers are when all they need to be is 18 years old and pass the 8 week police academy.
 

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Similar to above, the local yokels are the ones who needed a relatively short instruction as our act 120 is five months or so and not grueling or intensive in the least. The biggest slackers in high school went through it. I know one kid who has/had tourette syndrome and is employed today in the profession. Hell, as kids we used to call him Blinky because he was that bad. I'm not comfortable having someone like him in such a position.
 

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I still have dreams of being a cop.

Where I live im not allowed to. I have a clean record. Etc etc .. but


“ oh well .. if you’ve done any harder type drugs .. EVER .. “

Then you cannot qualify
 

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I still have dreams of being a cop.

Where I live im not allowed to. I have a clean record. Etc etc .. but


“ oh well .. if you’ve done any harder type drugs .. EVER .. “

Then you cannot qualify
Crazy how different some places can be. I asked a buddy out here who became a patrol officer and he said it almost felt like they preferred someone with some experience in harder drugs. Not like a reformed junkie, but "yeah I was offered a bump in high school once and I haven't tried it since."

I don't really know why.
 

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Crazy how different some places can be. I asked a buddy out here who became a patrol officer and he said it almost felt like they preferred someone with some experience in harder drugs. Not like a reformed junkie, but "yeah I was offered a bump in high school once and I haven't tried it since."

I don't really know why.

They were testing him for potential uncover work




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