2017 ZL1 Beat the 350R Around the Ring.

[WireEater]

Who gives a rats ass about it, 10 spd wtfcares and at least with the 350 you have to shift it like a man.

Stupid logic is stupid. I always prefer manuals but automatics are now becoming superior to manual transmissions in every way other than engagement and they are even improving on that. Using the "manly" excuse is about as ricer as you can get. Since it's not SD i'll pass on what I really want to say.

 

[WireEater]

why is this even a suprise to anybody? its 600+hp has a blower is newer and lighter then a shelby the shelby is down about what 120hp , the gt350 is what 5.2 liter n/a 526hp and 3800lbs, the camaro is what 640hp 3500lbs ? and it was built to compete with the gt500, wait for the next gt500 or revised gt350. I read the next run of gt350's will offer a 10 speed auto in the next gt500 and gt350r, that should make the next gt500 a 10 second car stock.

I like how everything you mention is pure speculation and hearsay other than the fact that the Zl1 is the better car right now. Who cares what you read off a clickbait site. It's OK that Chevrolet has a better car, it always flip-flops... Competition is good. If there was only one king, there would never be a need to up the ante.

 

[Dominic Dillard]

How many laps before needs fuel? Heatsoak issues? One lap around the track doesn't mean much in track racing, if you have to stop for juice every 2-3 laps.

 

[phoenix64]

I wonder how many closed track loops and non oem changes that car had to get that time? GM had a hard time getting the z28 faster than the last zl1.

What makes you say that?
The Z28's 7:37 had a big chunk of time left.
Take the rain out of that last corner, and it's an easy 7:34. He's down 10mph from where he should be coming onto the longest and most important straight on the track.

 

[Sinultros]

Not so sure Ford has any answer to this on the current platform. I think we may have to wait until the next gen of mustangs because the next GT500/Cobra will need a lot more than just extra hp, while Chevy is killing it in every way with the current.

 

[Ninjak]

Nice time, but again a blower car as a full track car....so the heat soak begins at what lap ? The new Camaro's have definitely come to play. I am interested to see what it does at the 1/4. The HC are for sure pushing boundaries with very few mods. Actually blown 5.0 are running really crazy times. The twin turbo ones are in the 9's or knocking on the door with not a whole lot of mods behind them. Great time to be a car guy.

 

[AustinSN]

It's weird how fast their cars are but no one will buy them.

I feel bad for the guys who bought 6th gens when they came out. GM absolutely destroyed their resale, I would be sick if I spent $47K on a new car and less than 1 year later they are offering the same car for $33K with 0% financing.

You would be out almost $20k immediately if you needed to sell it or wanted to upgrade.

 

[cam346]

Nice time, but again a blower car as a full track car....so the heat soak begins at what lap ? The new Camaro's have definitely come to play. I am interested to see what it does at the 1/4. The HC are for sure pushing boundaries with very few mods. Actually blown 5.0 are running really crazy times. The twin turbo ones are in the 9's or knocking on the door with not a whole lot of mods behind them. Great time to be a car guy.

per chevy 11.4 at 127 for the 10sp don't know about 6sp

 

[blk02edge]

I'll be more interested in seeing the zl1 beat the 350R by .001 seconds on laguna.

 

[cam346]

Here are some historical times to chew on.


7:12.13 - 2010 Dodge Viper ACR
7:19.63 - 2012 Chevy Corvette ZR1(sport Cup)
7:22.68 - 2012 Chevy Corvette Z06
7:24.44 - 2008 Pagani Zonda F
7:25.21 - 2010 Ferarri Enzo
7:26.40 - 2009 Chevy Corvette ZR1 (stock tires)
7:28.00 - 2016 Lamborghini Huracán
7:29.60 - 2017 Chevy Camaro ZL1
7:32.00 - Porsche 911 GT2
7:32.92 - Ferarri 458 Italia
7:33.33 - 2010 Porsche 911 GT3 RS
7:33.55 - 2008 Koenigsegg CCX
7:35.00 - 2015 McLaren 650S Spider
7:35.00 - Mercedes AMG GT S
7:37.40 - 2014 Chevy Camaro Z/28
7:80.00 - Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggara
7:38.00 - 2010 Lexus LFA
7:40.00 - 2005 Bugatti Veyron 16.4
7:41.27 - 2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1


Also worth noting...the Corvette ZR1 hit a top speed of 178 on the back straight of the 'Ring. The Z/28 hit 160, and the last-gen ZL1 hit 168......The new ZL1 reached 180.

 

[GT Premi]

...
2.39 to hear us laughing at 140mph, not even trying.
...

I see, but that was an easy corner, though. I could see a street tire doing that without much issue. I was talking about corners like the one after that. He was taking most of those over 140MPH.

That z28 was twisting to 6900. Is that stock?

Yes. The 5th gen Z/28 used the same engine from the C6 Z06 which spins out to 7K stock.

... Now the Z28 is rolling the GT350R. ...

You have info on the 6th gen Z/28? Please share! I haven't seen any performance stats for it anywhere.

... 95% of the people buying a GT350 will not be road racing it.

I don't even know what the SS ran on the Nurburgring. But with all the hype behind the 1LE, I won't be one bit surprised if it slaps the GT350 around. Again... as a $4500 option. Not a specialty car where dealers will mark them up $10k+

You don't have to road race a car to get driving enjoyment from a manual transmission. You bring up a good point about the 1LE. It's an OPTION package! I'm so sick of people referring to it like it's a whole other model. I get that it's easier to type/say "1LE", but it just gives the implication that it's a separate vehicle, and it's NOT. Walk into a Chevy dealership and say you're looking for a 1LE, and probably most of the salespeople would look at you like you were speaking a foreign language.

Nice time, but again a blower car as a full track car....so the heat soak begins at what lap ? The new Camaro's have definitely come to play. I am interested to see what it does at the 1/4. The HC are for sure pushing boundaries with very few mods. Actually blown 5.0 are running really crazy times. The twin turbo ones are in the 9's or knocking on the door with not a whole lot of mods behind them. Great time to be a car guy.

I bet the majority of the people buying these types of cars nowadays couldn't give a rat's patooty about drag racing them. Corner carving is where it's at now.

 

[blk02edge]

Here are some historical times to chew on.


7:12.13 - 2010 Dodge Viper ACR
7:19.63 - 2012 Chevy Corvette ZR1(sport Cup)
7:22.68 - 2012 Chevy Corvette Z06
7:24.44 - 2008 Pagani Zonda F
7:25.21 - 2010 Ferarri Enzo
7:26.40 - 2009 Chevy Corvette ZR1 (stock tires)
7:28.00 - 2016 Lamborghini Huracán
7:29.60 - 2017 Chevy Camaro ZL1
7:32.00 - Porsche 911 GT2
7:32.92 - Ferarri 458 Italia
7:33.33 - 2010 Porsche 911 GT3 RS
7:33.55 - 2008 Koenigsegg CCX
7:35.00 - 2015 McLaren 650S Spider
7:35.00 - Mercedes AMG GT S
7:37.40 - 2014 Chevy Camaro Z/28
7:80.00 - Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggara
7:38.00 - 2010 Lexus LFA
7:40.00 - 2005 Bugatti Veyron 16.4
7:41.27 - 2012 Chevy Camaro ZL1


Also worth noting...the Corvette ZR1 hit a top speed of 178 on the back straight of the 'Ring. The Z/28 hit 160, and the last-gen ZL1 hit 168......The new ZL1 reached 180.

I hate being this guy... but it all seems too good to be true.

 

[ON D BIT]

What makes you say that?
The Z28's 7:37 had a big chunk of time left.
Take the rain out of that last corner, and it's an easy 7:34. He's down 10mph from where he should be coming onto the longest and most important straight on the track.

You honestly think GM would not put their best time on tape? :lol: They close the track for days on end running hundreds of times laps on vid. The best lap is what you get. That's why you don't see it passing any cars on track.

Second week of September I got a text from a friend at the Ring that said GM hadn't been able to beat the ZL1 time with the Z28, and due to scheduling, they'd be forced into having to manufacturer a lower lap time in cold and likely wet late Sept/early October conditions.

Wouldn't you know it, video shows up 30 days later of a Z28 nicking off the ZL1 time in cold damp conditions. Neat trick to get a street car on R compound tires in cold and wet conditions to do what it couldn't in the dry.

None of this is to say the Z28 is not a fast or excellent road course car, but I agree with your assessment of the credibility of these times completely.

 

[Coiled03]

Seriously, if I never hear another 'Ring time in my entire life, it will be too soon.

And it's STILL ugly as ****.

EDIT: Oops...probably an infraction incoming for that picture. Oh well. :nonono:

 

[SirShaun]

Not so sure Ford has any answer to this on the current platform. I think we may have to wait until the next gen of mustangs because the next GT500/Cobra will need a lot more than just extra hp, while Chevy is killing it in every way with the current.

Ford knows what they have to beat now. The Z/28 was slower than the GT350R, I thought. If the GT500 is indeed turbo this time around, it is easy to throw power at it until it beats the ZL1.

Chevy and Ford aren't competing, they are sharing the spotlight, sharing the market. They kind of did co develop a transmission. You notice how both cars are starting to look more and more similar? Weights being similar, horsepower being similar?

It's smoke and mirrors to keep us entertained. If it were a war, we would of seen a 3500lb car with 800hp by now from one of them. They release these cars and within months, aftermarket options exist that take these cars to a new level. Is the public better engineers than those hired at GM/Ford? Hell no, we are playing part in a drawn out timeline of releases.

 

[DHG1078]

It's smoke and mirrors to keep us entertained. If it were a war, we would of seen a 3500lb car with 800hp by now from one of them. They release these cars and within months, aftermarket options exist that take these cars to a new level. Is the public better engineers than those hired at GM/Ford? Hell no, we are playing part in a drawn out timeline of releases.

Its no secret that Ford works with aftermarket companies.

 

[ZYBORG]

I spy some brand loyal tools having meltdowns.... lmao!

 

[ON D BIT]

I spy some brand loyal tools having meltdowns.... lmao!

Who is melting down? The 350R destroys the z28 on less tire and know we are supposed to believe a no rule no check best lap of hundreds is the oem parts/tune. That's funny!

 

[ZYBORG]

Who is melting down? The 350R destroys the z28 on less tire and know we are supposed to believe a no rule no check best lap of hundreds is the oem parts/tune. That's funny!

Lmao! This thread is about the new ZL1, not the old 5th gen z28.

But since you bring it up...

"Destroys"... this really made me lol... and then the "lesser tire" excuse...

You are aware that there is independent testing showing the Z28 ahead of the 350R (just like 350R ahead of z28)?

You are aware that Ford got to specifically pick the tires for the 350R?

What is really pathetic is how the newest generation track mustang 350 base and 350 track pack (to exclude the R), get their shit kicked in by the outdated 5th gen camaro z28....

 

[DSGCOBRA24]

Lol at the butthurt