99% of the time you will have to get things you don't want in order to get what you do want. Most of everything is packaged in the manufactures favor. Say the only option you want is a sunroof in your F150 and see what that'll end up costing you.
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99% of the time you will have to get things you don't want in order to get what you do want. Most of everything is packaged in the manufactures favor. Say the only option you want is a sunroof in your F150 and see what that'll end up costing you.
I didn’t tell him anything. I posted an article and asked if it was misinformation. Maybe read through the thread before you assume.
Way to spot a typo.
You’re giving the general public way too much credit if you think they have a single ****ing clue how things work.
That was just a little good humor jabbing haha
So, if using the premise that the general public looks at Ford dealerships as Ford Motor Company...
Why would the general public shop different dealerships?
True. Seems Ford lately is getting rid of smaller options and streamlining it into bundles.
The sunroof may be a 2k upgrade, but to get it you need Package GFY which has a 4k upgrade cost.
It's gonna get worse.
I don’t think most of them do. I think they’ll shop for what they want but when they have a bad experience they will easily shift brands. Brand loyalty I don’t think sticks with the general public… but bad experiences? 10000% that sticks.
The main downside are those customers that just want the vehicle in the best deal they can get.
Ex. car been sitting at lot for a year or so, new but last year's model. Dealer usually give these a nice discount.
Going the new route with less cars being build for dealer inventory, its almost a guarantee these will get sold. Those new last year models will almost be non-existent.
Only good thing is dealers having those dealer equipment gadgets will not be gaining from this.
I guess so. But at that point, they can buy a pre-owned vehicle?
I'm not sure how it's a bad thing that there won't be excess inventory sitting around.
Usually when I want a certain car and dealers nearby suck, I drive further. Thats what I did with our recent Explorer.
Most people that I know do the same as well. Unless they're desperate and got to have it or didnt care much for the car to begin with.
Its a bad thing for people looking for the cheapest optioned vehicle or those that want a new car as cheap as possible.
Not everyone wants a pre-owned vehicle. Car's can be in pristine condition low mileage but the fact that it had one owner just makes them pass. You never know how the previous owner took care of the car.
So, for those people, I should start putting new vehicles in a barn...letting them sit for a couple of years, then taking a substantial loss... got it
I get what you're saying. From a consumers standpoint, I want to spend the least amount of money possible, and get the most amount out of it.
From a dealer's standpoint, the longer I have a vehicle in inventory, the more money it costs me to own it. Then if I discount it even further when I sell it, it costs me that much money. So any money saved by the consumer is money spent by the dealership.
I think they will have to lower prices, then. Going to sell a lot less trucks at 50k vs 40k
We're going to buy a....minivan. It sucks, because:
There's no Hondas to look at. Odyssey is all new for 2023 and isn't even out yet. Dealer gets like 3-4 allocated a month. There aren't even any used ones to look at.
Toyota dealer has NOTHING, period, much less vans.
Really really don't want to buy a used Toyota/Honda for 85% of new.
There are a couple Pacificas on the lot, but that's our last resort. One Kia within 50 miles and I'm not paying $48k for a ****ing Kia.
There's no Hondas to look at. Odyssey is all new for 2023 and isn't even out yet. Dealer gets like 3-4 allocated a month. There aren't even any used ones to look at.
Toyota dealer has NOTHING, period, much less vans.
Really really don't want to buy a used Toyota/Honda for 85% of new.
There are a couple Pacificas on the lot, but that's our last resort. One Kia within 50 miles and I'm not paying $48k for a ****ing Kia.
I do the same but most people I know don’t give a damn about brand. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard, “Man I was looking at the New F150 but FORD wouldn’t budge… so I bought a Silverado. I ain’t never goin’ back to FORD.
And yes I think that’s completely ****ing stupid and I tell them that… but that’s the Gen Pop man. They don’t have a clue.
I'm guilty of it as well but it seems like everyone here buys whichever truck they get the employee discount on.
I know this is gonna sound like a stretch, but.
I was listening to a breakdown last night explaining how in the early 2000s the average life expectancy of a new vehicle was 6.2 years.
The current life expectancy of a vehicle is around 12 years.
Making the 40-50k price actually reasonable in the context of, you would've been purchasing 2 vehicles outright over the same lifetime of 1 today.
I know it sounds kinda crazy... but I get it.
Doesnt really make sense considering all the new cars have some kind of failure due to electronics.
Older cars were cheaper to maintain and had a ton of DIY. New cars need to go to dealers for software updates or need electronic modules to be replaced that control drivetrain areas.
I see a contradiction in this statement.
I think it's more the result than the cause. Average vehicle life has jumped way up since 2008. People are keeping old shitty cars on the road longer because they can't afford $50k new cars, not because they miraculously got better (though they have gotten way better over time.)
If things keep up, it's only going to get worse. There's not enough supply to go around, and even as things return to "normal," the new direct order model is to keep prices up and supply choked.
It's going to be an interesting future for sure- $80k new cars, $70k used cars, and 30 year old heaps held together with hopes and dreams all over the place. And that's not taking into account an impending recession.
Throwing in the subscription model and EVs and it will get really distorted. Used EV value is going to drop fast as battery life degrades. The flood of cheap, barely any range EVs might offer some hope as cheap overseas batteries and charging station upgrades come into play. It will be interesting to see what OEMs will do with their "retired" fleet cars- whether they just dump them cheap or refurbish them to keep market prices up. But all of that is off in the future. I'm sure someone in marketing is crunching the numbers on it now.
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