Stock Redeye with Just DR’s ran 10.22@134 last night. (Not a press event with Evan Smith).

My94GT said:

Fair point. It’ll also come at a much higher price point. Now if budget allows and someone is looking for even random track time the GT500 is the way to go, heck even GT350R.

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The GT500 outperforms the Redeye.
The GT500 is more expensive.

What's there to argue? lol

I'll go one farther...

Take a very average guy off the street. I bet he can run very similar times in the GT500 compared to the Demon (holy grail of drag racing).

93 347 Cobra said:

Yes, because DA has no impact on power production or ETs...

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That part was funny. You know guys who say DA doesn’t matter are always the guys running at quality sea level tracks in mineshaft DA.
I love my Hellcat and I’ll buy another if they make a Red Eye Charger, but the GT500 has more potential in my eyes.
Stock GT500 running a quality DR on a sticky track in -DA should be impressive, just like the Demon was.
Now take that GT500, feed it some high octane fuel and up the very low stock 12# boost and hold on.
OP, I assume this is a narrow body Challenger RE? Fastest RE configuration. What is stock boost?
I see 11psi on my stock Hellcat on cold days.
You have a ton of potential to mod that RE as well, no way I’d turn a new one down at $58k
-J

Purvis said:

Its going to be close but, personally, i think the Redeye has the edge by a tenth or 2. I would have to tally them up, but most GT500 runs i saw were non ideal. Most were Mid to low 11’s and some hi tens. For instance, american muscle, who turned an awesome 11.9 time with their 2018 mustang Gt5.0, made several passes and they could only go a best of 11.1. so point being, you guys will have to dial these in, and they will need a DR at a standard Test and tune night, or you will all be spinning.

Atco is not my fastest track. its just the only place i have taken the RE so far. In truly super negative DA weather and good track prep, and a faster track, times will improve. Plus, Im going to get serious about losing 20 pounds and go in with 50-60 pounds less of fuel. With about a combined 60-80 less pounds on board times will improve. I learn something more everytime i go. Even though there are ALOT less variables these days compared to a stick car, there are still A considerable amount of things to get ”just right”.

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Pulleyed tuned drag radial HellCats we’re running slower times than a stock GT500 on stock tires.

Yet this is dismissed in your analysis.

My point was the new GT500 with nothing but stock tires ran a 10.6@ 133mph...with a DR it'll probably pick up a tenth or 5....then you could put the stock tire back on and crush a road course. Don't get me wrong I really love what the Hellcat, HC Redeye, and Demon are but they're one trick ponies, the GT500 is not.

Purvis said:

Good question. No one really knows yet. None of us have even tried.
I mean i guess i could look into renting the track out one day and have it set up for street radials. Have the VHT sprayed down to the 1000 Ft mark.. and see if sticks? But does it really matter when they are runnig so good on DR’s.
I mean, you wouldnt play basketball in dress shoes? Right?

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My94GT said:

Fair point. It’ll also come at a much higher price point. Now if budget allows and someone is looking for even random track time the GT500 is the way to go, heck even GT350R.

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Not really. Have you actually looked at the cost of the red eye? Starting point is in the same ball park as the gt500.

me32 said:

Not really. Have you actually looked at the cost of the red eye? Starting point is in the same ball park as the gt500.

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yes but people are picking them up for thousands off that price....go ahead and find a GT500 for that. It won’t happen.

It really doesn’t matter either way to me, I like both cars and know that the GT500 is the more capable all around vehicle.

My94GT said:

yes but people are picking them up for thousands off that price....go ahead and find a GT500 for that. It won’t happen.

It really doesn’t matter either way to me, I like both cars and know that the GT500 is the more capable all around vehicle.

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Cheapest ones I saw were at $66k.

13COBRA said:

Sure!

BUT, the GT500 will outperform the Redeye..same driver, same conditions, same track...

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Yup, this car isn’t the one trick pony the hellcat/RE/demon cars are. With bigger brakes, better tires the gt500 will do everything better. We’ll see how well it does in the 1/4mile at atco.

ON D BIT said:

Cheapest ones I saw were at $66k.

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that’s what 8-10k less then a GT500? That no small coin to many people buying a garage Queen weekend car. Hell for many that may be max for their budget so that’s why the red eye is still huge bang for the buck.

again not taking anything away from the GT500, just simply pointing out things that come into play.

Serpent said:

Yup, this car isn’t the one trick pony the hellcat/RE/demon cars are. With bigger brakes, better tires the gt500 will do everything better. We’ll see how well it does in the 1/4mile at atco.

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I wouldn’t say the red eye is a one trick pony. Plenty of people are road coursing them and loving them.

The GT500 still will outperform. Personally I hope it’s the kick in the ass dodge needs to expand on their platform.

I love people shitting on the gt500 “ya but it’s $100k with markup!!!!”

Ok it’s 1 week old dumb ****s. Shut the hell up.

When hellcats were new in 14 they had $25-40k markup.

Demon had and has $30-50k markups

Red eye is waaaaay higher production numbers and now in year 2 or 3 iirc.

When red eyes were new, markups.

When zl1 1le was 1 week old, markups.

When zr1 was 1 week old, markups

****ing stop bullshiting already for damn sake

“It’s got $10k painted stripe option and $18k carbon package, wtf!!!!!”

So don’t buy it. Done deal dumb ass.

If you go to the track and want the ultimate track package, ford prices carbon fiber wheels, gt4 aero, and so on for $18k, or the price of a Nissan Versa base model.

Painted stripes are expensive. Get the $1000 stickers if you don’t want them painted. Ford has to send the car to a painter, and guarantee the stripes. The painter probably charges ford $3500 each car. Ford has to handle moving the car around for another $500, and facilitate the design/ordering/front end and back end. Call that $1000 per car. They probably want to make 50% on them and I could easily be undershooting the cost on them. So again, don’t buy that option if it doesn’t speak to you.

My94GT said:

I wouldn’t say the red eye is a one trick pony. Plenty of people are road coursing them and loving them.

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This is getting ridiculous.

My94GT said:

Fair point. It’ll also come at a much higher price point. Now if budget allows and someone is looking for even random track time the GT500 is the way to go, heck even GT350R.

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If someone is spending over $50k for a vanity car, I can bet you two things. 1. They’re likely going to buy what their heart desires. 2. They’ll justify it after the purchase.

I personally love the hellcat challenger wide body and more so would love a hellcat charger wide body. Now you go and make em red eyes... well **** ya I’m a fan at $75k or cheaper. Would I buy one over a mustang? Very hard to say because I just like mustangs so much. But that’s not shitting on the redeye. Best time in history to be an American car fan/enthusiast. Red eyes, gt500’s, mid engine corvettes, amazing camaros, incredible trucks all around, decent semi practical offerings like focus rs, Jeep trackhawk, Charger scatpack, Jeep gladiator on and on, new Explorer st, new Lincoln aviator and navigator, etc etc. Cadillac Escalade with a 10a and 450hp, $35k mustang gt, $35k Camaro lt1 455hp, etc.

13COBRA said:

The GT500 outperforms the Redeye.
The GT500 is more expensive.

What's there to argue? lol

I'll go one farther...

Take a very average guy off the street. I bet he can run very similar times in the GT500 compared to the Demon (holy grail of drag racing).

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I’m gonna agree. Put a pump gas demon against a new gt500 on nt555r’s and it’s a real dog fight

I picked up a new Redeye Monday.

Standard body.....every option except the HK radio and sunroof (3.09 rear end). Paid $66.5k (not a stripper version)

Took it to SGMP today. Ran 3 clean passes (totally screwed up the line lock on one and it messed up my whole pass).

Weather was perfect (high 60’s/low 70’s with a headwind).

A little over 600 miles on it with a set of MT ET streets.....10.7@133 on 1.8 60’s. I was idling off the line just getting a feel for it. There was plenty more in the launch and I’ll keep pushing until I find the limit.

My back 1/8’s were all 3.8 seconds and picking up right at 30mph.

It’ll gain a little bit with a few more miles I’m sure. I’m not a great driver but with a little more practice And figuring out how far I can push it and not spin I’ll easily cut much better 60’s and be well under 10.5’s.


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My94GT said:

that’s what 8-10k less then a GT500? That no small coin to many people buying a garage Queen weekend car. Hell for many that may be max for their budget so that’s why the red eye is still huge bang for the buck.

again not taking anything away from the GT500, just simply pointing out things that come into play.

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The 2020 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 will start at $70,300, but a $1,095 destination fee and $2,600 gas guzzler tax will put the actual base price at $73,995.

The new 797 horsepower, 2019 Dodge Challenger SRTHellcat Redeye will have a starting price of $69,650,

$4000 is a difference but its definitely in the same ball park in price.

me32 said:

The 2020 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 will start at $70,300, but a $1,095 destination fee and $2,600 gas guzzler tax will put the actual base price at $73,995.

The new 797 horsepower, 2019 Dodge Challenger SRTHellcat Redeye will have a starting price of $69,650,

$4000 is a difference but its definitely in the same ball park in price.

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Its more than safe to say stock for stock its a drivers race in the 1/4. And in the same price point. The big difference is the gt500 will beat in it by a large margin in everything else.

Sirhc7897 said:

I picked up a new Redeye Monday.

Standard body.....every option except the HK radio and sunroof (3.09 rear end). Paid $66.5k (not a stripper version)

Took it to SGMP today. Ran 3 clean passes (totally screwed up the line lock on one and it messed up my whole pass).

Weather was perfect (high 60’s/low 70’s with a headwind).

A little over 600 miles on it with a set of MT ET streets.....10.7@133 on 1.8 60’s. I was idling off the line just getting a feel for it. There was plenty more in the launch and I’ll keep pushing until I find the limit.

My back 1/8’s were all 3.8 seconds and picking up right at 30mph.

It’ll gain a little bit with a few more miles I’m sure. I’m not a great driver but with a little more practice And figuring out how far I can push it and not spin I’ll easily cut much better 60’s and be well under 10.5’s.


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Nice runs and congrats

biminiLX said:

That part was funny. You know guys who say DA doesn’t matter are always the guys running at quality sea level tracks in mineshaft DA.
I love my Hellcat and I’ll buy another if they make a Red Eye Charger, but the GT500 has more potential in my eyes.
Stock GT500 running a quality DR on a sticky track in -DA should be impressive, just like the Demon was.
Now take that GT500, feed it some high octane fuel and up the very low stock 12# boost and hold on.
OP, I assume this is a narrow body Challenger RE? Fastest RE configuration. What is stock boost?
I see 11psi on my stock Hellcat on cold days.
You have a ton of potential to mod that RE as well, no way I’d turn a new one down at $58k
-J

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Personally, (and we are all allowed to our opinions),i think you and others are giving the Gt500 a bit too much credit at this point in time. One or 2 hero runs at a press event, that ford was involved with and even supplied the car for. They even got a “hot shoe” for the runs. Its like the demon when it ran a 9.65 at a specially prepped track. We all took the time with a grain of salt .

The redeyes are running these times now, and for months now, and the demons were doing it all through 2018.

Time will tell.

And while i strongly respect everyones opinions and read all comments carefully, to those that are commenting about the markups being typical on the GT500. And being business as usual..I strongly disagree with you. Where as before, the greedy nature was limited to certain dealerships. This time around, its totally different. There is a new corporate culture at Ford, and the higher ups consider this a “limited edition car” . And so they (corp Ford) are condoning and even suggesting they be marked up. So fundamentally different this time around. And it sux.
So i went and found a redeye for less than 60k and could not be more pleased.

here is a redeye with just the seats removed making a run. We have a half a dozen or more, redeyes running 10.4 or faster. This one runs 10.1

2011 gtcs said:

That's moving out for a stock car. I've always liked the hellcats/demons. I think a 2020 GT500 with a DR out back will do a similar ET and MPH. All depends what you like. Me personally I'd spend the extra money to get GT500.

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It's a shame a new 500 wasn't at OP's track on the same night. It would have beat OP car handily.

13COBRA said:

The GT500 outperforms the Redeye.
The GT500 is more expensive.

What's there to argue? lol

I'll go one farther...

Take a very average guy off the street. I bet he can run very similar times in the GT500 compared to the Demon (holy grail of drag racing).

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Do you even 6 figure?

me32 said:

The 2020 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 will start at $70,300, but a $1,095 destination fee and $2,600 gas guzzler tax will put the actual base price at $73,995.

The new 797 horsepower, 2019 Dodge Challenger SRTHellcat Redeye will have a starting price of $69,650,

$4000 is a difference but its definitely in the same ball park in price.



Its more than safe to say stock for stock its a drivers race in the 1/4. And in the same price point. The big difference is the gt500 will beat in it by a large margin in everything else.

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Except the amount of people paying MSRP for a GT500 is a fraction of those buying while the Red Eye is being discounted by 10s of thousands of dollars right this minute.

Not a realistic representation at all. Maybe a few years from now yea, but not today.

Purview:
Time will tell.
I’m a hardcore Mustang guy, but I daily drive a Hellcat.
I also feel there is a TON of potential in both the GT500 and the Redeye, it’s just that for my next purchase I’d prefer the 500 for my goals.
Looking forward to someone meeting you or another Redeye owner at Atco, ideally both stock with equivalent quality DRs.
Time will tell.
-J

Purvis said:

Personally, (and we are all allowed to our opinions),i think you and others are giving the Gt500 a bit too much credit at this point in time. One or 2 hero runs at a press event, that ford was involved with and even supplied the car for. They even got a “hot shoe” for the runs. Its like the demon when it ran a 9.65 at a specially prepped track. We all took the time with a grain of salt .

The redeyes are running these times now, and for months now, and the demons were doing it all through 2018.

Time will tell.

And while i strongly respect everyones opinions and read all comments carefully, to those that are commenting about the markups being typical on the GT500. And being business as usual..I strongly disagree with you. Where as before, the greedy nature was limited to certain dealerships. This time around, its totally different. There is a new corporate culture at Ford, and the higher ups consider this a “limited edition car” . And so they (corp Ford) are condoning and even suggesting they be marked up. So fundamentally different this time around. And it sux.

here is a redeye with just the seats removed making a run.

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Eh.

Ford hasn't overpromised and under delivered since the late 1990s Cobras.

gimmie11s said:

Do you even 6 figure?

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Barely.



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