Girl charged with manslaughter over firends suicide

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When words are the new tactical nuke, then absolutely.
I always thought that only "You" can kill yourself in a suicide. I am pretty sure the death certificate said suicide and not homicide.
there not saying he did not commit suicide. But rather she has some responsibility for it. this is why i posted earlier that this is a vert fact specific case and the jury believed the facts proved the elements.
 

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thats different. parents have "control" over their children. she had no control over him, in the legal sense. just because he's pussy whipped doesnt make it so. its not power of attorney. in fact, legal speaking, its a minor telling an adult to do something. he was in control of himself and he could have just told her to piss off or ignore her and she would not be able to compel him to do it (control).

maybe state of mind? like if you told a drunk person or someone high on bath salts go do something? that would be a tough argument.

after reading another article right now i see they mention the definition of involuntary manslaughter as being Involuntary manslaughter is defined as an unintentional killing resulting from recklessness or criminal negligence.
so it comes down to determining whether her actions could be determined to be "reckless" or not, which i could see how you could easily argue that it was. and all you have to do is convince a jury that it was. thats much easier to do then to prove the direct causation. what is reckless? you know what the potential result of your actions could be yet you decide to do it anyways. example, street racing on a busy main street at 100mph through traffic and with pedestrians everywhere. or shooting a gun into a passing passenger train even though you have no idea if there is anyone on board or not. or yelling "fire" into a movie theater. all have been precedent court cases defining reckless. the last two being infamous in legal history and used in law schools.

regardless of which side of the fence youre on im surprised she could be looking at 20 years since she was 17 at the time of the alleged crime. i dont know MA juvenile law but normally when youre under 18 they charge you as a juvenile unless there are special circumstances like gang enhancements. it appears she was tried in adult court. all i found so far is
Carter was charged as a youthful offender, which means that even though she was a minor at the time of the incident, she was charged as an adult.
i dont think that would be the case in CA. im surprised there as well. 17 year olds commit murders all the time and are tried as juveniles and get just a few years. but different states can vary quite a bit on juvenile law.


dont get me wrong. i think shes a POS and deserve everything that's coming to her. she appears to be a textbook sociopath and probably should be locked up to keep other people safe. God knows what she would do next if they had never even charged her for this. kind of reminds me of the movie Heathers.

but we have to be careful. it can easily be a slippery slope as to when free speech turns into a crime.

I agree. Good post.


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from looking at the comments, i doubt if most people know why she was found guilty. looks like they only got the cliff notes
 

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Why do you think she was found guilty? whats missing?
What is missing is the part where a troubled grown man is 100% accountable for his own actions. The guys parents knew he was spiraling out of control. Maybe they should have had him committed.
 

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What is missing is the part where a troubled grown man is 100% accountable for his own actions. The guys parents knew he was spiraling out of control. Maybe they should have had him committed.
Do you know how hard it is to get someone civilly committed? this guy clearly had mental issues and this girl played on that to achieve her goal.
 

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What is missing is the part where a troubled grown man is 100% accountable for his own actions. The guys parents knew he was spiraling out of control. Maybe they should have had him committed.
well you are certainly living up to your screen name, that much is certain
 

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It really is a case that caused a lot of debate. Most prosecutors I have talked with like the outcome, but do worry some about your ramifications going forward. I think it's a very fact specific situation and restraint should be used in charging cases like this.

It's a bad decision that sets a horrible precedent.
 

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well you are certainly living up to your screen name, that much is certain

Serious guestion. If someone you knew was suicidial told you everyday for a year they are going to kill them selves. And you got sick and tired of hearing it. Because you were having
a bad day sent of a quick text " just ****ing do it you pussy". He committed suicide after reading your text. Should you go to prison?
 

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When someone tells you they are suicidal, offers proof of potential commitment of it, and then essentially begs for help when they say "Should I go thru with it?" and you offer words of encouragement to do it, you are responsible from a negligence stand point.

You have a social and moral obligation to call the suicide hotline or the police when someones on the edge. The same holds true for someone who is threatening to throw themselves off the bridge. If you see it, don't do anything to help, and then make the situation worse by compounding their mental state by saying "do it", you are responsible to a varying degree. Now I understand when someone continues to threaten it and doesn't do it, but this is also why you call their bluff and call the hotline. They will straighten up pretty quickly.

Another thought: If you knew someone was held against their will next door being raped and beaten and went on record as encouraging the person who did it via text, would that not make you an accessory? It would in most courts and in my eyes.

She didn't get a text and ignore it, nor did she avoid the topic entirely. She specifically went out of her way to encourage the man to commit suicide.
 

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Serious guestion. If someone you knew was suicidial told you everyday for a year they are going to kill them selves. And you got sick and tired of hearing it. Because you were having
a bad day sent of a quick text " just ****ing do it you pussy". He committed suicide after reading your text. Should you go to prison?
. You obviously gave not read much on this.
There is a difference between making one tweet, and carrying on a full blown conversation over a period of a couple hours where the guy is actually going through with it, changes his mind and the other person spends a considerable amount of time telling the kid to get back in the truck.
 

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