Ford's Trouble

[A2V2NV]

The government doesn't know how to run anything right. If they take over healthcare, they will screw it up, and you will wait for a year in line for an operation.....happens all the time in Britan. You should see how many people cross the border from Canada coming down to get healthcare.

Show me a Doctor who is willing to work for 40K just because Obama says so? No.....he will go into private practice (where there is PLENTY of business BTW), and the only doctors that will be available to you for "free" will be the ones who went to college in the mall.

UAW salaries should be capped at $20 an hour. No more free rides for retired workers. If you don't do that, the US auto industry is DEAD. Our Ford's will be like Studebakers....a curious car from the past.

Go look at the prices cars are selling for now, and you'll understand why no one is buying them anymore.

FWIW....my 1999 Saturn SL2 is at 113,000 now....I bought it new in August 1998. Has burned oil since 30K, has had some problems, but I have kept it going.....was thinking about buying a new car or truck.....looked at the prices, and gave up. I won't buy Jap....so there you go! Many people are like me....just keep their old cars running.

A Mustang should cost no more than 20K. A Camaro should cost no more than 20K.

The fit and finish is proof positive than any more than 20K, and you are being ripped off!

I bought my Mustang GT new for 20.6K new in 2001. I refused to pay more. Looks like it'll be the last one I get!

~Joe

 

[jpro]

^^^^^^LOL at YOU^^^^^^

So you're laughing at me b/c I have a paid for car that is reliable and the maintenance is low? You are a genius.

Laugh it up...I'll continue to make good decisions, get further ahead, and laugh right back at your ignorant azz.

I think I'll help America and Ford by buying a $30K S197 GT that has an interior that rivals the inside of the Barbie Corvette. Would that make you happy? Wait, did you already do that?

 

[Relaxed Chaos]

If you have been working on a job for 10 years and some 'fresh out of school' rookie can take it from you, might mean that you aren't very good at your job.

Or that your job is very simple to do. I worked at a union tractor factory as a supervisor about 13 or 14 years ago and this is the funniest comment I heard from one of the guys in the union: "It doesn't make me feel good about my job if I can train a new guy to do it in under 5 minutes." Many union jobs are unskilled in this way and should be paid accordingly.

 

[jpro]

Or that your job is very simple to do. I worked at a union tractor factory as a supervisor about 13 or 14 years ago and this is the funniest comment I heard from one of the guys in the union: "It doesn't make me feel good about my job if I can train a new guy to do it in under 5 minutes." Many union jobs are unskilled in this way and should be paid accordingly.

I agree. Now the question is, do these extremely high wages affect the cost of a Ford or GM vehicle? I think the answer is definitely yes.

 

[347zz5.0]

http://money.cnn.com/2008/11/07/news/companies/automakers_3q_results/index.htm

I do not understand why people buy damn imports with this type of thing happening. Ford practically invented Mass Produced Automobiles and revolutionized labor and pay. Now people turn its back on it. -2600 jobs lost, plus all the others. When are people going to realize where their money goes. God Save Ford.

People are doing what they should be doing, putting their money towards better quality products.

This is why we chose Sony over RCA.

Reward quality, not brand loyalty.

But seriously are you for real suggesting that people should be guilt tripped into buying certain products for the reasons you stated?

These are just cars, goods like any tv or computer. Yes people being put out jobs sucks but it happens everyday and it's the nature of the beast.

 

[meaty mac]

:nonono:

IF FORD OR GM MADE A QUALITY PRODUCT COMPARABLE TO MY HONDA IN 2000 I WOULD HAVE BOUGHT ONE...BUT THEY DON'T.

Well, i dont know about 2000, but in 01, i bought a Focus ZTS and it was one of the best decisions i ever made. she now has almost 300,000 km and still does not burn any oil. parts, both aftermarket and OEM, are plentiful and cheap.
One thing i like about it is the stealth factor vs your civic. if we both happen to be going down the highway, say 15,20 over, which one is more likely to get pulled over. there is one intangable you cannot put a price on lol

 

[TERMIN8TR]

:nonono:

Well, i dont know about 2000, but in 01, i bought a Focus ZTS and it was one of the best decisions i ever made. she now has almost 300,000 km and still does not burn any oil. parts, both aftermarket and OEM, are plentiful and cheap.
One thing i like about it is the stealth factor vs your civic. if we both happen to be going down the highway, say 15,20 over, which one is more likely to get pulled over. there is one intangable you cannot put a price on lol

NO say it isn't so! that's impossible! A ford with 300,000km and still running? How is this possible? I thought only hondas were able to do that.oke:
On a side note, I just bought a FORD FUSION with a V-6 and get 33.5 mpg on the highway.

 

[97WHITEVENOM]

The government doesn't know how to run anything right. If they take over healthcare, they will screw it up, and you will wait for a year in line for an operation.....happens all the time in Britan. You should see how many people cross the border from Canada coming down to get healthcare.

Show me a Doctor who is willing to work for 40K just because Obama says so? No.....he will go into private practice (where there is PLENTY of business BTW), and the only doctors that will be available to you for "free" will be the ones who went to college in the mall.

UAW salaries should be capped at $20 an hour. No more free rides for retired workers. If you don't do that, the US auto industry is DEAD. Our Ford's will be like Studebakers....a curious car from the past.

Go look at the prices cars are selling for now, and you'll understand why no one is buying them anymore.

FWIW....my 1999 Saturn SL2 is at 113,000 now....I bought it new in August 1998. Has burned oil since 30K, has had some problems, but I have kept it going.....was thinking about buying a new car or truck.....looked at the prices, and gave up. I won't buy Jap....so there you go! Many people are like me....just keep their old cars running.

A Mustang should cost no more than 20K. A Camaro should cost no more than 20K.

The fit and finish is proof positive than any more than 20K, and you are being ripped off!

I bought my Mustang GT new for 20.6K new in 2001. I refused to pay more. Looks like it'll be the last one I get!

~Joe

+1

I was in college for 6 years (bs and ms). The whole time I was in, I could not wait to get out and get my first new car. All my previous cars were always at least 10 years old, but i didnt care that much at the time. I got out of college, walked into a dealership and walked the **** out. Cars are just like houses these days, waaaaaaay over priced the price of the average car has gone up huge amounts in the last few years.

I think all car companys should be worried. Cars got more expensive and then people started making less money and loosing jobs so leasing became very popular.... the economy is getting worse and cars are not getting any cheaper, soon people will be even less likely to lease and will opt to just buy a used car instead.

 

[TERMIN8TR]

+1

I was in college for 6 years (bs and ms). The whole time I was in, I could not wait to get out and get my first new car. All my previous cars were always at least 10 years old, but i didnt care that much at the time. I got out of college, walked into a dealership and walked the **** out. Cars are just like houses these days, waaaaaaay over priced the price of the average car has gone up huge amounts in the last few years.

I think all car companys should be worried. Cars got more expensive and then people started making less money and loosing jobs so leasing became very popular.... the economy is getting worse and cars are not getting any cheaper, soon people will be even less likely to lease and will opt to just buy a used car instead.

You're kidding right? You went to college for 6 years and didn't learn anything about inflation? You could have also purchased a new home for $20,000, a new Corvette for $4,000 (roughly), gas was .20 cents per gallon back in the 60's, are you stuck in a time capsule? Does your logic mean ALL manufacturers should be "worried"?:nonono:

 

[97WHITEVENOM]

You're kidding right? You went to college for 6 years and didn't learn anything about inflation? You could have also purchased a new home for $20,000, a new Corvette for $4,000 (roughly), gas was .20 cents per gallon back in the 60's, are you stuck in a time capsule? Does your logic mean ALL manufacturers should be "worried"?:nonono:

no, Im not kidding. I do know what inflation is. I dont think all manufacturers should be worried, but I think they should be worried about their US based consumers right now.

 

[Cobranator]

To make such a stupid statement clearly shows that you are brainwashed by all those Honda and Toyota commercials where they regurgitate the word "quality". You've swallowed all their propaganda hook, line and sinker.

Dude are you serious or just delusional. Let me ask you...what color is the sky in your world....They do make a quality product, well at least Ford does, don't know about GM nor do I care, but I had a 2000 Focus SE and it was an extremely good car, reliable, always started, excellent milage,never let me down, never broke down on me and never cost me a penny other than regular maintenance.
It ran better than a Swiss watch, an absolutely dependable car but it was written off in an accident. I liked the car so much that I bought another one a 2003 which is just as good as my '00 was.

In the past I had several Fords that were absolutely trouble free for their entire lifetime, my mother's '93 Tempo which has over 100, 0000 miles still runs fine with no serious problems.


You gotta stop thinking about this Japanese garbage as the best gift to humanity.

 

[05 Roush]

8 yr Honda, eh? I'm still driving a 1994 Ford 4WD Ranger with 140k on it as my DD.

We own a 1998 Explorer with 170K miles and it's just now starting to break in (no leaks whatsoever).

The 1985 Mustang GT just rolled over 331000 miles. It would be more if it wasn't in storage waiting for restoration. Runs like a kitten.

The 1982 Thunderbird we owned had 275000 miles on it and still ran like a top (hated to see that car go).

The Roush just rolled over 41K and I expect to get at least 300K on it before retirement.

The list goes on. Yeah, Ford stinks for sure. :lol1:

 

[A2V2NV]

You're kidding right? You went to college for 6 years and didn't learn anything about inflation? You could have also purchased a new home for $20,000, a new Corvette for $4,000 (roughly), gas was .20 cents per gallon back in the 60's, are you stuck in a time capsule? Does your logic mean ALL manufacturers should be "worried"?:nonono:

Ford is in trouble. That's what this post is about. You're trying to explain how the PEOPLE are wrong. Dosen't work that way. In a Capitalist system, if you wanna sell, you gotta beat the other guy. Selling GT's for 30K+ isn't gonna get it done. Even the impulsive buyers are scared off now....

The Mustang market is young guys that can afford 20K....not 30K+

That's what killed off the 300ZX, RX-7 and Supra.....they priced it out of the market. Same is happening with corvette. The average corvette guy with the polyester shirt, hairy chest and gold medallion can't afford them!

~Joe

 

[TERMIN8TR]

Ford is in trouble. That's what this post is about. You're trying to explain how the PEOPLE are wrong. Dosen't work that way. In a Capitalist system, if you wanna sell, you gotta beat the other guy. Selling GT's for 30K+ isn't gonna get it done. Even the impulsive buyers are scared off now....

The Mustang market is young guys that can afford 20K....not 30K+

That's what killed off the 300XZ, RX-7 and Supra.....they priced it out of the market. Same is happening with corvette. The average corvetts guy with the polyester shirt, hairy chest and gold medallion can afford them!

~Joe

I'm not the one saying that, go reread the posts above. i'm just trying to help someone that is caught up in the perceived quality of honda and toyota and how great they are because they've never had a problem. that is bullshit at it's best.

as far as pricing is concerned i believe ford has the entry level covered with the v-6 right on up to the top of the line mustang in the shelby brands.
i don't know what killed off the 300z but i never liked them personally after the 240, 260 and 280z's.
now the corvette has always been a higher end car ever since it's introduction. with that said though where else can toy get 505 hp for 60 g's? like the z06? that's a hell of a car for the money.

 

[Robert Francis]

This is no longer a "Ford issue!" Because of a nation wide uncertainty about economics, most people simpllyaren't buying cars or trucks. They're not buying GM, Ford, Chrysler or Toyotas today. Quality ratings have little to do with whose buying what today and neither does the price. Overall this is probaly among the best of times to buy a vehicle with all the sales incentives and with good finanacing availble to those with good credit ratings. The problem with car/truck sales is simple: many people today, potential buyers, have lost confidence in their ability to maintain their incomes and simply aren't buying! If you're worried about losing your job and have other responsibilites than yourself and don't have a lot of disposable income sitting around, it makes little difference if that Mustang is 20k or 25k - you're not buying. It makes little difference if that truck is 15k or 18k - if you don't need it as part of your work, you're probably not buying it today!

 

[05 Roush]

Ford is in trouble. That's what this post is about. You're trying to explain how the PEOPLE are wrong. Dosen't work that way. In a Capitalist system, if you wanna sell, you gotta beat the other guy. Selling GT's for 30K+ isn't gonna get it done. Even the impulsive buyers are scared off now....

The Mustang market is young guys that can afford 20K....not 30K+

That's what killed off the 300ZX, RX-7 and Supra.....they priced it out of the market. Same is happening with corvette. The average corvette guy with the polyester shirt, hairy chest and gold medallion can't afford them!

~Joe

And that's the problem with our economy. It no longer protects us from certain foreign competition. Back when we were top dogs, we had extremely high tariffs and duty taxes on imported goods. It helped stabilize the economy while allowing the Federal Government to function well in the absence of personal income tax.

This phenomena is what Economists call cut-throat competition. Significant historical evidence suggests that too much foreign competition from lower income countries drive profits down to the point where national companies can no longer stay competitive during periodic financial downturns. Because the foreign auto makers have been able to ship and assemble goods here with minimal taxation, they are able to produce goods for less while raking in record profits.

And let me assure you, auto makers doing this now (we know who you are) will suffer when less domestic competition exists.

 

[06F-150XL]

i build aircraft cabinets ( custom ) and only make $10 an hour but im only in the training department still and started like amonth or so ago.

i feel my job is harder then most of these guys.

 

[TERMIN8TR]

i build aircraft cabinets ( custom ) and only make $10 an hour but im only in the training department still and started like amonth or so ago.

i feel my job is harder then most of these guys.

you just "feel" that? or you know it? i don't know why everyone thinks working in an assembly plant is a picnic? most of the jobs SUCK!

 

[97WHITEVENOM]

you just "feel" that? or you know it? i don't know why everyone thinks working in an assembly plant is a picnic? most of the jobs SUCK!

no disrespect but there is a difference between a job that is difficult and a job that sucks. difficult does not equal suck

 

[Robert Francis]

It's real easy to tell in here who has never worked in an asembly plant. I worked in several and I can tell you one thing: when you first start working on an assembly line you'll be amazed at how difficult most of those "easy" looking jobs are!