i've been playing the 99/01 cobra game for a looooooooooong time and have never seen or heard of a stock 99/01 putting down 290RWHP...280-285ish sure but but never 290.
Now with a Drop in i can certainly see it like Naz posted
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99/01 cobra VS 2007 GT
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i've been playing the 99/01 cobra game for a looooooooooong time and have never seen or heard of a stock 99/01 putting down 290RWHP...280-285ish sure but but never 290.
Now with a Drop in i can certainly see it like Naz posted
You really think just a drop in is worth atleast 5rwhp? :shrug:
i've seen a i picked up a whole 2 rwhp by removing the silencer lol
i could see a large K&N yielding 3-5 at peak
op:Both cars are dog slow stock nowadays. And the beloved Mach and Catfish are aswell!!!
ok....so according to you a low 13 second car- stock from the factory is slow? Really? Without spending over 30+k what other car is in that range from the factory? What cars are you looking at? Because if you look at straight numbers, nothing on the price range of the Stangs or the LS* platforms compare.
Inflation. Nowadays...you'd be lucky to get the top line Honda accord for less than 30k. 5 yrs ago I'd say you were crazy to pay 4 dollars a gallon for 91 octane. But true....the pony cars will always be a bang for the buck. If looks and styling don't matter; then the SRT-4, STi and EVO's are also contender's. 350z and G35's look great but need more power. The closest thing from europe would be the 135i and 335i...yet your looking at well over 30k for one of those. If I wanted the bang for the buck ..... used C-5ZO6 or 03-04 cobras would be the ticket for under 30k. Modded supercharged 96-01 Cobras or Mach 1 and H/C nitrous LS-1 F-bodies can be had for under 20k. The king of bang for the buck in my opinion would be the Fox Body mustang.
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camaros are just ugly cars to begin with
This is coming from a GM truck lover
GM trucks
Ford Mustangs
WTF does this have to do with anything??? This thread is already filled with some pretty potent BS, please dont degrade it further.
Ok, you obviously do not know what you're talking about. Neither the 99-01 Cobra or the 05+ GT are slackers in the stock numbers department. I'd say they are comparable stock for stock, POST-FIX. You really think a pre-fix 99 was equal to an 05+ GT? I hope you were just kidding. Bottom line here, once again, the Mach beats them both stock vs. stock, cobra and 05+ GT is a close race, and I would probably give the slight edge to the Cobra. Now can this debate end? They are ALL nice cars that are EXCELLENT cars for modding and taking out those GM's! (sorry GM guys :beer
Come get some
Ill even be nice and wait till your modded :burn:
They are ALL nice cars that are EXCELLENT cars for modding and taking out those GM's! (sorry GM guys :beer
Enh.. I am used to it... haha.. I am a prime target right now for some of my bolt on buddys...:rockon:
Mines didn't dyno at 290 rwhp but it was close. (See sig) :thumbsup:
Thanks for the help bro:beer: - the point I'm making is the 05+ Stang GT is the only platform you can buy NEW that will get you into the low 13 second range under 30k. Now if you are talking used then the sky really is the limit. There are thousands of used cars that can get you into the 13 club (or lower) with ease. Evo's and skittles were mentioned. The skittle wasn't a 13 seond car stock was it? Not sure about that. While the Evo is a 13 second car (or better if properly driven) you can't get one NEW for under 30k.
But I agree with you on the best bang for the buck scenario= C5Z/FRC, Terminator, Slomaro SS/WS6/Firehawk....and for the euro fanboys M3, Porsche 911, RS4/6....also you can get USED STI's and EVO's for well under 30k but they are usually flogged within an inch of their life by the time they are sold.
We'll see if the prices of the new Camaros and Challengers come down under 30k but for the first couple of yrs they'll be very inflated. I'll stick with the S197 for the best NEW bang for the buck 13 second car. :rockon:
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I'm fairly certain Evan Smith did run a 13.2 or 13.3 with the 05+ mustang gt. I have the issue somewhere I think and I remember reading about it on the internet because I followed the car pretty close at that time.
Uh oh, someone still thinks the SS/WS6 cars are somehow faster...
Wait- they aren't? Well damn man, help a cracker out!!
I have driven 2 SS's and 1 WS6. Sick cars. Very fast. I only "raced" one in my Cobra and it wasn't really a race- in 2 runs I won by 8 the 1st one and 3-4 buses the 2nd one. I've raced 3 in my Mach- I'm 2 wins (barely) and one draw- we had to stop due to traffic but we were neck and neck when we let off. I didn't realize Camaros were just as fast as the SS/WS6/Firehawk.
I actually chose the 04 Mach over an 02 SS on the same lot. The only reason was the mods on the Mach was basically cat back and CAI with just 19k on the clock. The SS had 72k on the clock. I figured the SS had probably been beat on a little bit but the Mach was pristine. If I knew then what I know now I probably would have gone with the SS due to how easy and cheaply they are to mod. Not that the Mach is bad but with the amount of $ I've spent so far on the Mach in mods I'd be @ least 450 to the ground in the SS. But you live and learn:thumbsup:
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Uh oh, someone still thinks the SS/WS6 cars are somehow faster...
Didn't the SS/WS6/Firehawk have different gears, exhaust, and tranny? Right?:shrug:
Wasn't that what the "SLP package" was all about?
The FireHawk usually came with a lid/catback from the factory, suspension upgrades, rims, etc (though I can't say any of them have proven to be 'faster' than any other model), SS/WS6 cars came with options, a neat hood, nice rims, rear spoiler, beefier tires, and I believe slightly bigger swaybars/better shocks. The options for the '345hp' package were a lid/catback I believe. Though once again they have never proven themselves to be a step beyond a Z28 or Formula. If you check my times I rank up there with some of the quicker times recorded and all I have is a 'base Z28'.
Both a Z28 and SS have gone 12s bone stock (12.89 in the Z28 and 12.96 in the SS at 108mph and 107mph respectively) so no difference in performance really to speak of. Generally speaking an LS1 = LS1 = LS1 when it comes to F-Bodys. All M6 cars (except in 1993 when you could get 2.73s) came with 3.42 gears (Z28/Formula/WS6/SS, etc), and Autos had either 2.73s (std Z28/Formula), or 3.23s (Opt for Z28/Formula, Std for WS6/SS):beer:
I believe (99.9% sure) it was a 13.3 @ 103mph...I looked it up a few months ago....(because I didn't believe it)...
Gene K on mustang forums posted a slip and vouched (Gene K is a stand up member on there) that his buddy went 13.27 @ 103mph in some rediculous negative DA in an S197. That's the fastest pass I know of, but there is no 'proof' short of a slip, and that guys word. (which to me is good enough but you guys don't know him from jack)
Right on. GM did a very good job of "manipulating" hp numbers on all LS1 powered cars. The simple fact that a Camaro/Firebird is an SS or WS6 does not make it faster. An auto SS could very well be faster than auto Z28 if the Z had standard 2.73's, but a different Z could have the better gears cuz they were an option. It took me a long while to convince some of my coworkers of this. They refused to beleive that the SS was equal to a Z28. I finally got it throught to them though, my main reason for getting the SS was for the better exterior looks.
Almost ALL American Automakers (and a few others) seem to be good at that.
The Chevy Cobalt SS Supercharged (Factory Rated: 205hp/200tq but most dyno'd: 215-225Whp/205-210Wtq), the Terminators were underrated, the Dodge Neon SRT-4, the new Skyline GT-R is said to dyno VERY high numbers, the ZR-1 was rumored to be underrated... until they announced the higher numbers, etc etc etc. Those are just the ones that I can think of off the top of my head.
I know that the word on the street was that the Cobalt and the SRT4 were purposefully dyno'd with VERY HOT intercoolers to produce the low numbers.
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I know what you mean. My buds SS Cobalt dynoed 218 to the wheel with just a KN filter after he got it. What I meant was that GM fudged the numbers on the different models of Camaros/TA's and Vettes when they all produced the same power.
Ah yes. Well, the Vette's were supposed to have a different tune.
At least that's what I read when I was looking into engines (was gonna put an LS1 in an RX7 - but a wrecked Cobra motor sounds better! Haha). I believe it was Hinson Super Cars that said that putting the LS1 out of a Corvette in your RX7 won't give you anymore power... as the Corvette's extra power came from it's ECU.
At least that's what I read when I was looking into engines (was gonna put an LS1 in an RX7 - but a wrecked Cobra motor sounds better! Haha). I believe it was Hinson Super Cars that said that putting the LS1 out of a Corvette in your RX7 won't give you anymore power... as the Corvette's extra power came from it's ECU.
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