GT500/brand loyalty

KingBlack

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I am in a situation where not only am I looking for a high-end sports or muscle car, I'm also in a position to have choices among a range of vehicles.

I think it's fair to say the majority of people here are fans of Ford products. It's probably also Fair to say that many of us have been blinded by brand loyalty along the way. I know I'm guilty of it.

This Time Around, I will continue to consider the Ford product, but that's the difference. In the past, I only looked at Ford's When shopping for a new vehicle. Right now I have two Mustang's and a Focus ST. I can tell you that I am happy with the products but the disconnect at this juncture is dealing with the dealership.

I'm not naive and thinking that these things don't happen everywhere, but I do get the sense that certain brands take the after purchase experience more seriously then others. My most recent experience from my servicing dealership has been so horrible that I have considered other brands for my next purchase. We're not talking about Petty things and I won't get into details but I will tell you that there are situations where there is no question as to who was at fault and the dealership simply refuses to take responsibility. Only when a bad review is left and the corporate offices forces them to respond was I able to get some feedback from the dealership. Even after that nothing changed.

That being said, I am going to consider the GT500. I'm also seriously looking at a 2020 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S. Yes I know they are a completely different categories but if the Mustang is a great car (for what it is) it will be a good compromise given the price difference. Also in the fold are the Audi RS5 and the Tesla Model 3 Performance. Yes this is a wide range of vehicles and not necessarily a fair comparison when lining them all up. But it is what I'm considering. Of course the Porsche is the only car of the group that truly has no compromises and it reflects in the price. It's also the only car that I think of where I could jump in and drive across the country in it with no issues or worries about finding a charging station. The Audi will be a close second.

Anyway the point being that a product can be great but what people will always remember is the last individual in the chain that they dealt with. The last Ford dealership I dealt with has changed me from a die-hard only consider vehicles within the brand customer to a potential but not likely customer.

TLDR: great products mean nothing without the great service
 

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I have to agree with you, been a ford fan all my life and I earlier this year I decided to make the career switch to ford, I couldn't believe how badly the service department was. part of it was the fault of the dealer but part of it was Ford as a company too. I ended up leaving after 6 months, I would have left earlier had my current job opened sooner. I hated working for them and really not sure if I want to purchase another ford product. The help the company provided was next to none with most issues being swept under the rug. I even had a meeting with our Ford rep who wanted to know how the service could be improved, then gave excuses after all my suggestions and never made any changes.
 

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Get the 911 and hit a track day. OP, I know you already have a coyote powered mustang for drag racing.

I think the new 911s being turbo outshine anything on the track the american makes can offer. You will need a 650hp zl1 or z06 to compete, but again, who has the skills to wring out all that power on the track? 911 is your answer to the perfect balance of handling and power.
 

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US Automakers: Build mediocre vehicles with a good warranty. Spending split between R&D and Warranty, quite a bit out in warranty work.
Asian Automakers: Skimp on the warranty, produce precision based long lasting vehicles. More spent in R&D up front, not much out the back in warranty.
Euro Automakers: Build throwaway cars, service them long enough, to have the buyer trade it in for a new one.

All that being said, if customer service is your goal when buying a car, of course your going to be treated like royalty at a Euro dealer, they want you to buy that polished turd with confidence, and they want you trading it in sooner rather than later.

It seems like with Domestic dealerships you have to spend quite a bit of money with them, and be a repeat customer, to get decent customer service. Or else, your just another unhappy customer, and will be treated as such.

If your planning to trade in often, and build a relationship with the dealer, then play their games.

If your the type to hold on to a vehicle well past the warranty, then the first thing you do when you buy it, is avoid any attachments to the dealer, no ESP, no BS, you want the car and that's it.
 
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possibly. Not every city has 5 ford dealers within 20 miles. Did you think about that before you typed?

No, I didn't think about that. Why would I? I myself don't have 5 ford dealers within 20 miles, and I don't find that a difficult distance to deal with, regardless.

It's fine. You've obviously decided your experience is going to influence your buying decision.
 

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No, I didn't think about that. Why would I? I myself don't have 5 ford dealers within 20 miles, and I don't find that a difficult distance to deal with, regardless.

It's fine. You've obviously decided your experience is going to influence your buying decision.
so should I replace my personal experience with yours as a metric to be used in my purchasing decision?
 

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honestly not been too happy with my ford service experiences in the Houston area and I have dealt with multiple dealerships, so I don't even bother now, even with a car under warranty. I wouldn't say they were all bad, just meh, like the dealer is just apathetic, doesn't care...I have heard the European dealership experience is much much better, but have no real first hand experience. Though I have taken our company caddys in for service and they are leaps and bounds better than the Ford stores around here.
 

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honestly not been too happy with my ford service experiences in the Houston area and I have dealt with multiple dealerships, so I don't even bother now, even with a car under warranty. I wouldn't say they were all bad, just meh, like the dealer is just apathetic, doesn't care...I have heard the European dealership experience is much much better, but have no real first hand experience. Though I have taken our company caddys in for service and they are leaps and bounds better than the Ford stores around here.
this is pretty much my experience. to add to this, I think it is fair to say we would be okay with meh. the truth is that I want to spend as little time as possible in the dealership. I'm okay with average service as long as the work is done correctly. what I'm not okay with is below average service and the dealer not being able to own up to their own mistakes.
 

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It’s a good time to be a car guy. The previous 2013 GT500 flopped for me. I had to lemon it out. Since then I’ve owned a c6z, ctsv, hellcat, gtr, Chevy ss, audi rs7, and raptor. Looking for an rs3, but i will definitely consider the new GT500 if it pans out to be fast and reliable. Also looking at Tesla’s and the new amg gt63s when it arrives.

If you’re a brand loyal snob you miss out on some awesome cars
 

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this is pretty much my experience. to add to this, I think it is fair to say we would be okay with meh. the truth is that I want to spend as little time as possible in the dealership. I'm okay with average service as long as the work is done correctly. what I'm not okay with is below average service and the dealer not being able to own up to their own mistakes.

pretty much this...I won't let it dissuade me from future purchases, but I'm definitely looking at other brands. As for bad experiences, they have been doozies, body damage in the shop, dealer tried denying it etc, looking at you Mac Haik Ford....I got several more stories, but really don't want this to become a bitch fest.
 

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pretty much this...I won't let it dissuade me from future purchases, but I'm definitely looking at other brands. As for bad experiences, they have been doozies, body damage in the shop, dealer tried denying it etc, looking at you Mac Haik Ford....I got several more stories, but really don't want this to become a bitch fest.
this, to a T describes what happened to me. I had proof, and the service manager acknowledged it, but they tried to dodge responsibility
 

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It’s a good time to be a car guy. The previous 2013 GT500 flopped for me. I had to lemon it out. Since then I’ve owned a c6z, ctsv, hellcat, gtr, Chevy ss, audi rs7, and raptor. Looking for an rs3, but i will definitely consider the new GT500 if it pans out to be fast and reliable. Also looking at Tesla’s and the new amg gt63s when it arrives.

If you’re a brand loyal snob you miss out on some awesome cars
I considered the RS3 for a long time, but for $60k I wanted just a little more room. If it were somewhere between the A3 and A4 in terms of size, and I would be sold.
 

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It is interesting how dealerships treat you based on what brand you drive. My personal experience, I have a Ford dealership and Lincoln dealership side by side. When my wife had her '10 Mercury Milan and I took it in for service on the Ford side, I was a mere peasant they couldn't wait to get rid of. When I take my '12 Lincoln MKS in for service, I get treated like a King. I can get a loaner Lincoln of my choice for free if the service is going to take a short while. Instead of standing in the car bay with 50 other vehicles waiting in line, I get to set in a nice glass office to discuss whatever I'm in for and there's almost no cars in line.

The only negative experience I had with that Ford dealership was they installed a new window motor and scratched my tint. It took a few words to get them to own up to it and they offered only a 50% reimbursement. I explained that to the tint shop and they doubled the price on the paperwork so that Ford would actually end up paying 100%. I continue to use that tint shop :)
 

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I considered the RS3 for a long time, but for $60k I wanted just a little more room. If it were somewhere between the A3 and A4 in terms of size, and I would be sold.
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No doubt. It’s a small 4 door, but that’s what I’m looking for currently. I’m not parting with my rs7 or gtr. Thinking of trading my charger in for this, as I’m looking for awd year round fun, and a sub 4000lb car
 

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