my dogs killed the neighbors cat

[Sinister04L]

This is a flat out amazing topic and has has my imagination racing. Just for context could someone give me an idea what percentage of vet patrons would likely be packing? (Both on person and in the vehicle they came in.) I imagine it varies by state but don't really have any clue as to what would be normal.

We were in a Dick's Sporting store in Florida last year. In the golf department I didn't notice a single person carrying but when we got around to buy binoculars and drool over the gun case we noticed at least 3/4 of the customers visibly had a weapon on them. I'm guessing the golfers did as well but we were not observant enough and weren't looking for it. For the rest of the trip we discussed which guns we would own if we lived there.

Final question. Do you automatically look for signs that people around you are carrying or do you just assume that everyone is?

Sorry to hijack the dog/cat topic but I just had to ask. As a Canadian gun lover the whole thing has fascinated me for years.

All the best.

The percentage of people carrying in any specific location, such as a vet, will be low. Of course there are exceptions, like at gun stores etc. Outside of New York and California roughly 7-8% of the adult population has active permits to carry, and not all of them actually do. Florida has the highest number of permits.

I don't automatically look to see who is carrying. We (TX) have open carry now, but I've never personally seen anyone openly carrying. Most people are used to carrying concealed so you wouldn't know if they are or aren't. FYI, I usually am, but not always.

 

[blubyu87gt]

This is a flat out amazing topic and has has my imagination racing. Just for context could someone give me an idea what percentage of vet patrons would likely be packing? (Both on person and in the vehicle they came in.) I imagine it varies by state but don't really have any clue as to what would be normal.

We were in a Dick's Sporting store in Florida last year. In the golf department I didn't notice a single person carrying but when we got around to buy binoculars and drool over the gun case we noticed at least 3/4 of the customers visibly had a weapon on them. I'm guessing the golfers did as well but we were not observant enough and weren't looking for it. For the rest of the trip we discussed which guns we would own if we lived there.

Final question. Do you automatically look for signs that people around you are carrying or do you just assume that everyone is?

Sorry to hijack the dog/cat topic but I just had to ask. As a Canadian gun lover the whole thing has fascinated me for years.

All the best.

It's not really possible to know. Like you said it will vary heavily from state to state and even city to town. Since it could be more common in rural areas vs cities, even in the same state.

Personally, unless there is someone at the door checking then I keep mine on me, where I can keep accountability of it. If there is someone checking then I will typically take my business somewhere else. Again, that's just me.

As to the looking for other people carrying. I don't honestly care either way and I support the individual right / ability to make that decision on their own. So I don't look for that specifically. Now if someone seems "shady" then I might shift my peripherals to them and look for cues.

Hmm.. A shootout in a vets office, id say thats a new one for svtp

Lol yeah not sure on if I should shake my head or chuckle at the Veterinarian gun slingers trying to turn a vet check up into the O.K. Corral

I have a GoPro Hero 5 black but I just need to figure out the best way to mount it on his collar.

They make a harness that's pretty awesome. You can mount the GP at chest level or above the shoulders. I use it on my GSD all the time for tracking, swimming, and frisbee videos. Or to see what shenanigans he gets into while I'm gone. From his perspective. It's pretty cool.

Not sure if threat, or you are taking a generalized post and imaging some cowboy scene where you "save the day" and think you're completely justified that it is OK for unrestrained dogs to wander vets and scare smaller animals that are already sick and stressed out.

Just about every Vet I've been to has signs that state "All animals not in a doctor's office must be leashed or in a cage" or something to that effect.

You won't believe how many times people have large dogs walking around lose in the lobby and how many have approached my cat and barked a foot away. Why should I not react to that?

I carry a small 6 shot sig and can place my rounds like you wouldn't believe. Are you one of those that thinks it is OK for your dog to wander and ACT AGGRESSIVE (by aggressive I mean trying to get inside my cat carrier or growling, which has happened to me) to smaller animals, GTFO buddy.

Words do not mean actions. I'll tell the owners how I feel, not going to sugar coat it. But, if they don't comply a second time, I'll escalate to management of that establishment. IF, IF the dog ever lunged or growled at me or my animal, bet your ass I'll be ready to draw. Why should me or my animal be harmed because of ****tards that cannot restrain their animals?

Lol okay calm down Taran Butler. We are all sure you're super bad ass with your six shot.....

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[dannydarko11]

This thread is getting triggered... lol

SVTP going to the vet clinic like:

lololol

Let's go fam!
@Smooth I want that ****ing shirt btw lol

 

[Grabber]

LOL. Don't recall implying that, just made a comment.

I'm not the one here saying "If my dog that is coming at your animal, and you harm it, you better have enough ammo" and thinking it is totally cool to make internet threats over a generalized post.

Very calm, already had my coffee.

My six shot is offended, what do you have against them? Wait, I know, guys that cannot shoot need like 30 rounds, right?

Glad to see you post more often new guy. Where you from mate?

I'm more like John Wick, not Taran Butler. I think 08mojo is blood related to Chuck Norris and cousins with Taran Butler.

 

[Revvv]

It would be cool to see what kind of mischief he gets into when no one is watching. Lol

I've seen a video or two of people setting up cameras to see what their dog does while they are running errands for a couple hours. It's pretty funny to see how much time they spend sitting at the door just waiting. Loyal animals, that's for sure.

For the neighbor's piece of mind while my Rottie was alive, I had an electric fence around the bottom of my chain link fence. It kept me from weedeating, and she wasn't tempted to dig out.

If I left her in the yard while I was gone, the beast would get a running start and jump the fence. She was trained to not leave the yard, but when you're away, these dogs act like little children. They have a bit of fun, knowing they will be in trouble later.

What did my Rott do when she left the back yard? She would sit on the front porch and look into the window. She was literally watching TV.

I got a few calls from the neighbor across the street on a rare occasion. If my TV wasn't on the dog would sit on the neighbor's porch and watch their TV.

I really miss that girl.

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[blk02edge]

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[blubyu87gt]

LOL. Don't recall implying that, just made a comment.

I'm not the one here saying "If my dog that is coming at your animal, and you harm it, you better have enough ammo" and thinking it is totally cool to make internet threats over a generalized post.

Very calm, already had my coffee.

My six shot is offended, what do you have against them? Wait, I know, guys that cannot shoot need like 30 rounds, right?

Glad to see you post more often new guy. Where you from mate?

I'm more like John Wick, not Taran Butler. I think 08mojo is blood related to Chuck Norris and cousins with Taran Butler.

Right.... You're the one who came in and said if a dog approached you at a vet clinic you'd shoot it.... Yes I know there was more to it (specifically in later posts) but if you dont see why that was a dumb post, which got the equally dumb response you quoted, then I dont know what else to say on it.

Wouldn't John Wick be fairly synonymous with Taran considering the actor got the bulk of his training from the folks at TTI?

Nothing against a six shots at all. I'm glad you're sooooper bad ass with yours and I am sure you keep all the other Fudds way impressed with your amazing skillz...

And are specifically asking where I reside now or where I am originally from?

More on topic: Cats are ass holes. And OP hopefully learned a lesson in fence maintenance or maybe building a fence to contain the animal/s you wish to own.

 

[KilledbyKenne]

For the neighbor's piece of mind while my Rottie was alive, I had an electric fence around the bottom of my chain link fence. It kept me from weedeating, and she wasn't tempted to dig out.

If I left her in the yard while I was gone, the beast would get a running start and jump the fence. She was trained to not leave the yard, but when you're away, these dogs act like little children. They have a bit of fun, knowing they will be in trouble later.

What did my Rott do when she left the back yard? She would sit on the front porch and look into the window. She was literally watching TV.

I got a few calls from the neighbor across the street on a rare occasion. If my TV wasn't on the dog would sit on the neighbor's porch and watch their TV.

I really miss that girl.

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Lmao, the difference in personalities across different pets is amazing. My dogs completely ignore the tv when it is on. I can't even imagine them jumping a fence just to get a look at what's on tv. Lol

 

[08mojo]

This is a flat out amazing topic and has has my imagination racing. Just for context could someone give me an idea what percentage of vet patrons would likely be packing? (Both on person and in the vehicle they came in.) I imagine it varies by state but don't really have any clue as to what would be normal.

We were in a Dick's Sporting store in Florida last year. In the golf department I didn't notice a single person carrying but when we got around to buy binoculars and drool over the gun case we noticed at least 3/4 of the customers visibly had a weapon on them. I'm guessing the golfers did as well but we were not observant enough and weren't looking for it. For the rest of the trip we discussed which guns we would own if we lived there.

Final question. Do you automatically look for signs that people around you are carrying or do you just assume that everyone is?

Sorry to hijack the dog/cat topic but I just had to ask. As a Canadian gun lover the whole thing has fascinated me for years.

All the best.

It's safe to assume a lot of people carry here in GA. Not saying I do or don't.

They better have plenty of ammo because you are going to do what? Calling your lawyer from the station or something else?

I love animals. I love them more than people but if an animal was harming or threatening myself, wife or my animals, I'd have the same response James Garner had in Tank when he talks to the sheriff at the work camp where his son is imprisoned.

I never said anything about shooting anyone or anything. But I will not stand by and watch idly as someone harms my family (that includes my pup).

The sad thing is how far too many idiots bring their pets to the vet and do not properly restrain or secure them. It's like they think we all want to see their pets.

Like I said above, I worked at a vet for years. It was not common, but animals did get off leash or out of their kennel from time to time. It was never a problem and it was never because an animal was being aggressive.

Not sure if threat, or you are taking a generalized post and imaging some cowboy scene where you "save the day" and think you're completely justified that it is OK for unrestrained dogs to wander vets and scare smaller animals that are already sick and stressed out.

Just about every Vet I've been to has signs that state "All animals not in a doctor's office must be leashed or in a cage" or something to that effect.

You won't believe how many times people have large dogs walking around lose in the lobby and how many have approached my cat and barked a foot away. Why should I not react to that?

I carry a small 6 shot sig and can place my rounds like you wouldn't believe. Are you one of those that thinks it is OK for your dog to wander and ACT AGGRESSIVE (by aggressive I mean trying to get inside my cat carrier or growling, which has happened to me) to smaller animals, GTFO buddy.

Words do not mean actions. I'll tell the owners how I feel, not going to sugar coat it. But, if they don't comply a second time, I'll escalate to management of that establishment. IF, IF the dog ever lunged or growled at me or my animal, bet your ass I'll be ready to draw. Why should me or my animal be harmed because of ****tards that cannot restrain their animals?

Harmed and growled at are two very different things. Like I said above, do what you have to do. But, to go into the situation already thinking about drawing your gun for the 'what if' scenario is pretty troubling.

LOL. Don't recall implying that, just made a comment.

I'm not the one here saying "If my dog that is coming at your animal, and you harm it, you better have enough ammo" and thinking it is totally cool to make internet threats over a generalized post.

Very calm, already had my coffee.

My six shot is offended, what do you have against them? Wait, I know, guys that cannot shoot need like 30 rounds, right?

Glad to see you post more often new guy. Where you from mate?

I'm more like John Wick, not Taran Butler. I think 08mojo is blood related to Chuck Norris and cousins with Taran Butler.

Are you joking? Here is your verbatim, from what I can tell, unprovoked response to this thread:

If I was at the Vet, and someone's dog was free roaming and approached me, while I'm holding my cat, I would call that person out and tell them to get their dog away or else. If it ever came to, I would shoot the person's dog.

 

[Grabber]

Right.... You're the one who came in and said if a dog approached you at a vet clinic you'd shoot it.... Yes I know there was more to it (specifically in later posts) but if you dont see why that was a dumb post, which got the equally dumb response you quoted, then I dont know what else to say on it.

Wouldn't John Wick be fairly synonymous with Taran considering the actor got the bulk of his training from the folks at TTI?

Nothing against a six shots at all. I'm glad you're sooooper bad ass with yours and I am sure you keep all the other Fudds way impressed with your amazing skillz...

And are specifically asking where I reside now or where I am originally from?

More on topic: Cats are ass holes. And OP hopefully learned a lesson in fence maintenance or maybe building a fence to contain the animal/s you wish to own.

Really depends. It's easy to twist peoples posts to fit one's own agenda to make it look like people are stupid.

Again, not sure where this badass comes from, though. I pocket carry, so, if I had a double stack firearm I wouldn't be able to. Most pocket carry guns are 6-8 shot firearms. I've got plenty more at home, but, I do not carry them and just shoot them as a hobby.

No clue what a "fudd" is, but, OK.

Amazing skillz, where did I say that, other than "I can place rounds very well" which is a general statement. Or, did you assume, in all your glory, that I am bragging with a singular post about being able to properly shoot a firearm and are making it more than it is?

Curious where you are from is all. No location listed under your user name.

I think most dogs are assholes, especially owners that don't take care of them, let them shit wherever without cleaning it up, etc.

While I'll agree that my post was borderline childish and when I originally posted it, I had my "emotions" put in it, but, I'm not back peddling and taking back what I said and still stand by it. I'll reiterate it - If your dog approaches me or my cat while in a vet, and I tell you to remove your dog and you don't, I'll escalate it. I'll be clear and say to you, that if said persons dog attacks or makes the attempt to do so, I am not going to wait until the damage is done. That's all.

I do agree, cats can in fact be assholes. I've had a few that were and we had to put them up for adoption or bring them to a shelter.

 

[Grabber]

It's safe to assume a lot of people carry here in GA. Not saying I do or don't.



I never said anything about shooting anyone or anything. But I will not stand by and watch idly as someone harms my family (that includes my pup).

Same can be said about my cat (or my family). I don't know your dogs or someone else's dog's intention. But, generally speaking, bigger dogs when approaching smaller animals are not always friendly. I'd know, since I've been attacked about a dozen times in my life by people's dogs that didn't properly restrain them. Maybe it is me speaking from my past experiences that is relating to this thread.

Like I said above, I worked at a vet for years. It was not common, but animals did get off leash or out of their kennel from time to time. It was never a problem and it was never because an animal was being aggressive.

Everyone's experience is different. I've had my share of bad ones with a few vets and I simply don't want to be in a situation, which is why I am ready to prevent a bad situation from happening.

Harmed and growled at are two very different things. Like I said above, do what you have to do. But, to go into the situation already thinking about drawing your gun for the 'what if' scenario is pretty troubling.

Here's the difference with animals. Growling is an intention and I will bet my ass when a dog does that, there is a reason. As I've said, I've grown up with dogs and know a lot about their behavior. My first intention, as you failed to see, was to address it verbally with the owners, then escalate to management. Maybe I wasn't clear, but, if the dog actually attacked or tried to attack, THAT is WHEN I'd be ready to stop the threat. Everywhere I go in public, as I stated in another post, I'm always alert as things such as this scenario from the OP can happen in a matter of mere seconds. I'd hate to think what would happen if I didn't try to prepare to stop a bad situation from being worse.

Are you joking? Here is your verbatim, from what I can tell, unprovoked response to this thread:

Your threat above about bringing enough ammo was very unprovoked and my post, wasn't in any directed at anyone specifically, just idiots that think it is OK for their animals to wander around unrestrained a public place where other animals are. In this case, your logic is, and maybe you didn't word it properly, but, if your dog harmed someone or someone's animal, and they retaliated to protect themselves or something/someone they love, you'd basically want revenge. Is that accurate? Your key words of "from what I can tell" are an assumption and you didn't thoroughly read my posts and rather, twisted it to fit your agenda. Even AFTER I've explained my stand point on it, you're still hung up on an assumption of a few choice words, instead of the entire picture. You and the other gent failed to see my words where I said, verbatim " if it ever came to it, I would shoot the person's dog" which means, if it escalated to the point where the dog acted and did act hostile and attacked, I would defend myself or my animal.

 

[08mojo]

Your threat above about bringing enough ammo was very unprovoked and my post, wasn't in any directed at anyone specifically, just idiots that think it is OK for their animals to wander around unrestrained a public place where other animals are. In this case, your logic is, and maybe you didn't word it properly, but, if your dog harmed someone or someone's animal, and they retaliated to protect themselves or something/someone they love, you'd basically want revenge. Is that accurate? Your key words of "from what I can tell" are an assumption and you didn't thoroughly read my posts and rather, twisted it to fit your agenda. Even AFTER I've explained my stand point on it, you're still hung up on an assumption of a few choice words, instead of the entire picture. You and the other gent failed to see my words where I said, verbatim " if it ever came to it, I would shoot the person's dog" which means, if it escalated to the point where the dog acted and did act hostile and attacked, I would defend myself or my animal.

I think we're saying the same thing at this point, but let me make it clear: if my dog, or any other animal, is ATTACKING you or another person, by all means defend yourself and I will help YOU against my own dog. If you are worried because my dog growls and take action, I will not be helping you in the slightest.

So, here are the posts for you one more time, boiled down to the points:

Plain and simple: if you overreact and harm my dog, you'd better have plenty of ammo left.

If a free roaming dog, cat, whatever ATTACKS then sure do what you have to do. But, if an animal comes up to you at a vet (which you know damn well is going to be full of other animals) and you tell the owner to "get it away OR ELSE," you're not really acting appropriately or justified to take any action.

I worked at a vet for years and guess what: some of the animals got off their leash, jumped from the cage during transfer, somehow got free--it happens. The most typical case was when an owner returned from vacation and picked up their pet. The pet was so excited to see their owner, they would find a way to get free from the poor vet tech and run to their owner.

Like I said, if you overreact (this is the key word here) and harm my family...

 

[Grabber]

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I think we're saying the same thing at this point, but let me make it clear: if my dog, or any other animal, is ATTACKING you or another person, by all means defend yourself and I will help YOU against my own dog. If you are worried because my dog growls and take action, I will not be helping you in the slightest.

So, here are the posts for you one more time, boiled down to the points:

Glad we are on the same page.

However, just to reiterate one more time, though:

If this ever happened, I'd say "hey, 08Mojo, your dog is scaring my cat, can you restrain it" and you didn't and it led to another situation, that is different. But, I know that is a what-if situation.

Appreciate your response and elaboration.

Thank you.

 

[blubyu87gt]

Really depends. It's easy to twist peoples posts to fit one's own agenda to make it look like people are stupid.

Again, not sure where this badass comes from, though. I pocket carry, so, if I had a double stack firearm I wouldn't be able to. Most pocket carry guns are 6-8 shot firearms. I've got plenty more at home, but, I do not carry them and just shoot them as a hobby.

No clue what a "fudd" is, but, OK.

Amazing skillz, where did I say that, other than "I can place rounds very well" which is a general statement. Or, did you assume, in all your glory, that I am bragging with a singular post about being able to properly shoot a firearm and are making it more than it is?

Curious where you are from is all. No location listed under your user name.

I think most dogs are assholes, especially owners that don't take care of them, let them shit wherever without cleaning it up, etc.

While I'll agree that my post was borderline childish and when I originally posted it, I had my "emotions" put in it, but, I'm not back peddling and taking back what I said and still stand by it. I'll reiterate it - If your dog approaches me or my cat while in a vet, and I tell you to remove your dog and you don't, I'll escalate it. I'll be clear and say to you, that if said persons dog attacks or makes the attempt to do so, I am not going to wait until the damage is done. That's all.

I do agree, cats can in fact be assholes. I've had a few that were and we had to put them up for adoption or bring them to a shelter.

I never said you were stupid. Just that your original post was dumb. Also, there was no twisting required. You failed to give appropriate context in your original posting.

Moving past anything else, as a firearms carrying citizen it is your responsibility NOT to escalate situations. Especially in a damn vets office.

So it sounds like you're saying:

Dog unrestrained in public setting: Very bad
Shooting an agressive dog in public setting after you escalated the situation: A-okay?

You see how that doesn't really sound rational....

I am from (born and mostly raised) Alaska. I am currently living in South Carolina and also have a little place in Utah.

I do agree that having a dog, or really any animal, in a public setting unrestrained is irresponsible and a bad idea all together.

 

[Smooth]

Oh good. For a second there, I was worried it was over. @dannydarko11 ,refill please!

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[Grabber]

I never said you were stupid. Just that your original post was dumb. Also, there was no twisting required. You failed to give appropriate context in your original posting.

Moving past anything else, as a firearms carrying citizen it is your responsibility NOT to escalate situations. Especially in a damn vets office.

I agree.

So it sounds like you're saying:

Dog unrestrained in public setting: Very bad
Shooting an agressive dog in public setting after you escalated the situation: A-okay?\

Both are bad, but, my post clearly states I'd handle things with the owner first. If the dog attacked, I would shoot said dog without a second thought. That about sums it up. But, the logic behind dealing with the animal's owner first is trying to deescalate the situation. If that doesn't work, because the owner is failing to restrain what appears to be and could be a hostile animal, in which the animal decides to attack, I don't see what my other options are.

You see how that doesn't really sound rational....

I am from (born and mostly raised) Alaska. I am currently living in South Carolina and also have a little place in Utah.

I do agree that having a dog, or really any animal, in a public setting unrestrained is irresponsible and a bad idea all together.

See posts in bold above.

 

[PhoenixM3]

I don’t think you can discharge a firearm in public to protect your own animal. Another human, sure. Perhaps on private property you can, but I think it depends on the situation. I couldn’t shoot another person who was going after my dog with a tire iron - I’d want to, of course, but good luck in court defending your actions in taking a life. You’d very likely do jail time.

 

[PhoenixM3]

To get back to the real story here - is the porn Star in stable condition? Cause I got her feedin’ tube right here.....

 

[dannydarko11]

Oh good. For a second there, I was worried it was over. @dannydarko11 ,refill please!

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You got it fam lol