Anyone else frustrated with Ford over the next GT500?
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This makes me think the GT500 is dead.
Or he knows more than we do...
Um no doubt. But you only pour one out for your dead homies...
Full bottle!
So if I have to do a TR-6060 swap how much should I expect to have to hide from the wife?
Boatloads.
I must say, moderating the GT500 forums, owning a GT500 where I made 5 shifter changes, and having numerous conversations with George at MGW on the matter, I think I was pretty in tune with how well the TR6060 integrated behind the '07-'14 GT500's. Namely, they had a propensity to grind when pushed hard and fast. Jamal (IIRC) was quoted as saying that the TR6060 was never even considered for use in the GT350 due in part to it's heft, hence the money spent on TR3160 development. So why would Ford want to go back to it (beyond the fact that it has a high torque capacity)?
The above said, I found it interesting that GM stuck with the TR6060 in the high zoot Camaro's. After tracking a '17 SS 1LE I had zero complaints about the transmission and shifter in that car and felt that GM did a great job carrying that transmission forward. I brought this up to George a couple of days ago and he felt I was dead wrong as he hears complaints at his business about the new ZL1/1LE cars all the times with respect to grinding. If Ford wants to alleviate that potential issue by not reusing the old gearbox (however "new") - I'm all for it.
I must say, moderating the GT500 forums, owning a GT500 where I made 5 shifter changes, and having numerous conversations with George at MGW on the matter, I think I was pretty in tune with how well the TR6060 integrated behind the '07-'14 GT500's. Namely, they had a propensity to grind when pushed hard and fast. Jamal (IIRC) was quoted as saying that the TR6060 was never even considered for use in the GT350 due in part to it's heft, hence the money spent on TR3160 development. So why would Ford want to go back to it (beyond the fact that it has a high torque capacity)?
The above said, I found it interesting that GM stuck with the TR6060 in the high zoot Camaro's. After tracking a '17 SS 1LE I had zero complaints about the transmission and shifter in that car and felt that GM did a great job carrying that transmission forward. I brought this up to George a couple of days ago and he felt I was dead wrong as he hears complaints at his business about the new ZL1/1LE cars all the times with respect to grinding. If Ford wants to alleviate that potential issue by not reusing the old gearbox (however "new") - I'm all for it.
Is the tr6060 in the SS 1LE too? I drove a ZL1 and immediately wanted to drive another one to see if that shifter was messed up. Of course, i’d just hopped outta my car with a nice n tight MGW so that could’ve skewed it a bit. But i was all over the place in that thing.Boatloads.
I must say, moderating the GT500 forums, owning a GT500 where I made 5 shifter changes, and having numerous conversations with George at MGW on the matter, I think I was pretty in tune with how well the TR6060 integrated behind the '07-'14 GT500's. Namely, that had a propensity to grind when pushed hard and fast. Jamal (IIRC) was quoted as saying that the TR6060 was never even considered for use in the GT350 due in part to it's heft, hence the money spent on TR3160 development. So why would Ford want to go back to it (beyond the fact that it has a high torque capacity)?
The above said, I found it interesting that GM stuck with the TR6060 in the high zoot Camaro's. After tracking a '17 SS 1LE I had zero complaints about the transmission and shifter in that car and felt that GM did a great job carrying that transmission Ford. I brought this up to George a couple of days ago and he felt I was dead wrong as he hears complaints about the new ZL1/1LE cars all the times with respect to grinding. If Ford wants to alleviate that potential issue by not reusing the old gearbox (however "new") - I'm all for it.
Saw where George sold his 6060 cause he couldn’t make a shifter work for the camaro guys...sucks for them.
George purchased a '17 SS 1LE as he was considering developing a shifter for it. So we tracked it at Roebling Road and then tore it apart the next day at his shop. Of course the OEM shifter in it could be "tightened up a bit" as it had some fairly soft bushings in it which also ensured zero NVH from it.
The Camaro has quite a bit of ancillary componentry that has to be removed in order to even access the shifter, much more so than what you deal with in a typical Mustang shifter swap. It bordered on ridiculous. Once you access the shifter, you see how little room there is (vertically, anyway) for a typical aftermarket shifter. Pretty much only a pendulum style could be used as well as there is no room for the "box" of a single axis shfter with a trunion. George could have easily made a shifter for it. The issue is that the install would drive the cost way up for those that would be paying a shop for it and would negate a large number of those looking to do it themselves. This turned Barton off just as well as it did MGW.
You can see the 1LE in the background in the following photo. George bought a new GM crate TR6060 for the SS/1LE/ZL1 cars and I whipped up a stand for it which helps with design.
The boot comes off quickly and then you see how compact the stock shifter is - it had to be as GM has crammed everything very tightly into the tunnel where the shifter resides.
The Camaro has quite a bit of ancillary componentry that has to be removed in order to even access the shifter, much more so than what you deal with in a typical Mustang shifter swap. It bordered on ridiculous. Once you access the shifter, you see how little room there is (vertically, anyway) for a typical aftermarket shifter. Pretty much only a pendulum style could be used as well as there is no room for the "box" of a single axis shfter with a trunion. George could have easily made a shifter for it. The issue is that the install would drive the cost way up for those that would be paying a shop for it and would negate a large number of those looking to do it themselves. This turned Barton off just as well as it did MGW.
You can see the 1LE in the background in the following photo. George bought a new GM crate TR6060 for the SS/1LE/ZL1 cars and I whipped up a stand for it which helps with design.
The boot comes off quickly and then you see how compact the stock shifter is - it had to be as GM has crammed everything very tightly into the tunnel where the shifter resides.
Laughed so hard that my eyes are tearing.
A mustang without a manual trans. Thanks for ruining the mustang Europe!
How did Europe ruin the manual in the Mustang? Most cars in Europe ARE manuals...
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Oh I know, its like 75 or 80 percent or something awesome. Apparently they arent a bunch of Nancys like Americans are. At any rate I was referencing those saying the mustang is a global car now so it must have this that or the other and move in a different direction.
You can thank magazines and bench racers for killing the manual. All that matters is the lap time / strip time.
Manual transmission uniquely overrated in America. I'm not saying I don't like driving a manual; my 06 GT has 30,000 miles of manual transmission usage but I don't find it to be the be all end all of enjoyment behind the wheel. It's a weird (not really) contest of manliness. I learned to drive in the UK; everyone drove shitbox manual transmission cars because they were cheaper and got better fuel economy so it was in no way a point of pride. Nothing special about that ability.
In the U.S I think it's akin to turn signal response. Here if you put on your turn signal, people have the bizarre psychological reaction of "no way, you're not getting in front of me!" and increase speed to close the gap, then turn it into a road rage party. Um, not a contest. If the space exists, they can get in without disrupting the flow of traffic and someone has the brain power to use the signal, in the UK you just let them in. Manual transmission draws the same type of response.
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I'm not pouring out the 40 for a transmission. That's reserved for people. You'll find out shortly. 'just wait'
In the U.S I think it's akin to turn signal response. Here if you put on your turn signal, people have the bizarre psychological reaction of "no way, you're not getting in front of me!" and increase speed to close the gap, then turn it into a road rage party. Um, not a contest. If the space exists, they can get in without disrupting the flow of traffic and someone has the brain power to use the signal, in the UK you just let them in. Manual transmission draws the same type of response.
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I'm not pouring out the 40 for a transmission. That's reserved for people. You'll find out shortly. 'just wait'
The manual must be saved, it enhances the driving experience for a large enough group of drivers the world over if you ask me. That being said, I don't think the GT500 needs a manual or all is lost...as automatics have improved they have definitely changed the game, but the experience isn't the same. That being said, Ford should be in it to win it, hands down whatever it takes. If that calls for paddles over a pedal, so be it.
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Got virtually nothing to do with manliness per say, its got almost everything to do with the driving experience. If you want to tell me an auto is just as enjoyable, just as fulfilling an experience, well, so be it. Climbing into a performance car and just dropping the damn thing into "drive" is a pretty damn lame experience in my book.
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