A lot of info was released yesterday during VMP's Burnout Box weekly segment. Thing looks massive and has tons of potential. Talks about the blower, TB, fuel, etc. Skip to the 10:00 min mark.
Interesting price point for the new TBs.
Also, they drove my point home for us 91-93 octane users. This new Gen 3 will make the same power on LESS boost as TVS 2300 blower.
So If I have a TVS 2.3 (trinity, gen 2 or 2R) that makes 700 rwhp on 18 pounds of boost, you should be able to make the same power on 15-16 or so pounds of boost. Add headers and thats 14-15 pounds of boost.
That means you can run another 1-3 psi smaller upper pulley and STILL be safe on pump gas. On a Gen 3 that seems like its going to make a whole lot of power compared to the Gen2R at the same boost pressure.
I think this Gen 3 will be an even crazier torque monster than the Gen 2. I also think the Gen 3 will be more of a competition for the 3.4l and 4.0L whipples than a 2.9L Whipple. In the video, Justin and Donny were implying that 26 estimated PSI on a small upper pulley and overdrive pulley was a conservative top end boost pressure that the Gen 3 was capable of.
GT500s, Coyotes running a TVS and boosted Boss 302s are going to get a HELL of a power injection on this blower. My prediction at least.
@red3v I think it will easily. Gen 3 rotor pack got 30 more free horse power. As it is, tje Gen2R was the direct competition to the 2.9 Whipple.
Seeing what the 2R did on a built car like the BPS shop car, a Gen 3's potential is going to be awesome!
2650 would likely be the last upgrade youd need.
So If I have a TVS 2.3 (trinity, gen 2 or 2R) that makes 700 rwhp on 18 pounds of boost, you should be able to make the same power on 15-16 or so pounds of boost. Add headers and thats 14-15 pounds of boost.
That means you can run another 1-3 psi smaller upper pulley and STILL be safe on pump gas.
YesI wonder if the 2019 GT500 will come from the factory with a 2650?
Peak cylinder pressure, and subsequently how much power a cylinder can produce, are the limiting factors to how far a fuel can go safely. The amount of pressure in the intake manifold has very little to do with those numbers, generally speaking. For run of the mill bolt on or common upgraded blower cars, yes it’s very easy for a tuner to spit out X amount of boost pressure is the safe limit because they are more or less all the same and known combos. Like you said, the same boost level between power adders has very different results. You can’t run 21 pounds from a 4.0 Whipple safely on a stock motor, but you can run 21 pounds from a stock blower.Ill have to disagree that its got very little to do with it. Ive been told countless times that theres a max safe PSI for pump gas by multiple tuners. Sounds to me like its got everything to do with it. Its a factor, ultimately, in how much combustion pressure and what temperature that combustion occurs at. Not sure how boost psi isn't important.
Blower efficiency is important too. 16 psi on a Whipple 4.0 is a lot different than 16 psi on an M122.
Time will tell and it will not be easy. The Gen 2 2.9 still makes more power than the 2.3 R. My prediction is pulley for pulley the gen 3 2.9 will make similar peak numbers as the 2.65. However the 2.9 will kill it in average power.