Anyone else frustrated with Ford over the next GT500?

[Zemedici]

Realistically speaking, one does not usually build their car for the drag strip or the road course simultaneously. Whilst ‘in theory’ it is nice to have a well rounded vehicle, in reality it is much less common IMO.

The demon goes fast in a straight line, and is THE BEST at it. Not a faster 1/4 mike car for the price point (save me the exotic / supercar comparisons)

The GT350 is far from quick at the drag strip, and is agile around a road course. As with anything it is a trade off. A GT500 is quick at the strip (not the fastest) and decent at a road course (there’s much faster cars in the price point).


Would you rather 1 1st place trophy, or 2 2nd place?

@Tob I loled at winning

 

[MarcSpaz]

Might as well toss in auto-x and rally so you get 4 2nd place trophies, and will start calling you the Buffalo Bills.

 

[biminiLX]

Realistically speaking, one does not usually build their car for the drag strip or the road course simultaneously. Whilst ‘in theory’ it is nice to have a well rounded vehicle, in reality it is much less common IMO.

The demon goes fast in a straight line, and is THE BEST at it. Not a faster 1/4 mike car for the price point (save me the exotic / supercar comparisons)

The GT350 is far from quick at the drag strip, and is agile around a road course. As with anything it is a trade off. A GT500 is quick at the strip (not the fastest) and decent at a road course (there’s much faster cars in the price point).


Would you rather 1 1st place trophy, or 2 2nd place?

@Tob I loled at winning

This really is where Ford (and other OEMs) drop the ball.
The GT500 should have a 'track pack' and a 'drag pack' option.
A car better suited to a road course makes for a better street driving vehicle, BUT more people drag race than road race Mustangs. The Demon proved what I've known for a long while, that OEMs can leverage the technology to maximize drag strip potential, but they just choose not to. Catering to the magazines gives us the GT350 and 1LEs, but appealing to buyers that want and will buy American muscle shows why SRT is the hottest player right now.
Again, Ford could choose to do both, they just don't have the balls SRT does. Bring back Coletti
-J

 

[jvandy50]

Might as well toss in auto-x and rally so you get 4 2nd place trophies, and will start calling you the Buffalo Bills.

SAVAGE!!!

 

[conceptmachine]

No, sauvage.

 

[Tob]

I'm from Buffalo. Trust me....SAVAGE.

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

Hey the Demon would also destroy the mustang and camaro at a demolition derby.

*Lest I become accused of being biased, I should say I would HOPE it would destroy them there, seeing as it’s 300lbs heavier.*

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

I want Ford to build a very enjoyable, drivable, and telepathic car.

Think a gt350r with even more chassis/tire, maybe a blower, and honestly something very efficient like a very well working manual and the option of a very efficient auto.

I’d love excellent brakes, and cooling as well, and optional handling/aero packs or drag pack.

Oh, wait... that’s what Ford is pretty much doing. Ford is honestly better off letting customers do their own drag packs. They won’t be able to find a wheel/tire package that pleases everybody or works in xyzpdq classes so why bother.

Believe me, if someone can come up with $70-100k for a car, it’s just fine as a company to assume they have the ability to buy drag racing parts competently, or that the various speed and tire shops in town can help them do so.

You market things like drag packs, you’ll be fighting lawsuits about drag racing related failures for a decade plus.

 

[rwleonard]

Would you rather 1 1st place trophy, or 2 2nd place?
@Tob I loled at winning

A bunch of 2nd place trophies will usually win you Olympic gold in the decathlon. Just sayin'.

 

[GT Premi]

C2019 is particularly interesting...

but ya, IMRCs, didnt they learn their lesson with those on the 96-98 cars?

Aren't they the same/similar as the CMCV plates that Ford has been installing since the 3-valve?

... I really can't see this car being worth the wait. I just can't. It's gonna be cool for sure. But limited in numbers, HUGE ADM to get one, big power from Dodge and Chevy already out there. I can't imagine this thing will be faster in a straight line than a Demon.

ADMs on the GT500 won't last long. And who cares if it's faster than a Demon in a straight line?? Why would Ford chase after a car with such a singular performance metric? Fast in a straight line but sub par at everything else. This isn't the '60s. The Mustang is a "world car" now. Straight line focused Mustangs are a thing of the past. I, for one, am glad about that.

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A car better suited to a road course makes for a better street driving vehicle, BUT more people drag race than road race Mustangs. ... but appealing to buyers that want and will buy American muscle shows why SRT is the hottest player right now.
Again, Ford could choose to do both, they just don't have the balls SRT does. Bring back Coletti
-J

I'd like to see real numbers proving more people drag race Mustangs than road race them. I'd bet it's a pretty even split. Historically, the Mustang was a road racer before it was a drag racer. Thinking about the pro and semi-pro circuits, I see more Mustangs in road racing competitions than drag racing. Also, unless a hype machine ticket includes an SRT vehicle, how can you say Dodge is the hottest player right now when they have the fewest sales? Speaking of sales, haven't you noticed that the vast majority of people turning Mustangs into drag cars buy them as used cars? Why would Ford cater to a group that's not even buying from them? Used sales don't help FMC's bottom line, new car sales do. Ford is focusing on those of us who talk with our wallets, and the majority of us want a great performing/handling Mustang, not just a straight line car.

 

[13COBRA]

ADMs on the GT500 won't last long. And who cares if it's faster than a Demon in a straight line?? Why would Ford chase after a car with such a singular performance metric? Fast in a straight line but sub par at everything else. This isn't the '60s. The Mustang is a "world car" now. Straight line focused Mustangs are a thing of the past. I, for one, am glad about that.

1.) I bet they last almost the entire first model year.
2.) Didn't someone on this forum say the Demon could out-brake the ACR? lol

 

[GT Premi]

1.) I bet they last almost the entire first model year.
...

No argument there. I'm guessing they last 7 to 9 months.

 

[ssj4sadie]

No argument there. I'm guessing they last 7 to 9 months.

There is still ADM on GT350/R and Raptors. Ford dealers have gotten into the habit of slapping on ADM. it will always be there.

 

[13COBRA]

There is still ADM on GT350/R and Raptors. Ford dealers have gotten into the habit of slapping on ADM. it will always be there.

ADMs are unfortunate. However I don't blame dealers for a few reasons:

1.) They can't choose their allocation. They only get a certain number of the 'hot' vehicles.
2.) Ford jams Fiestas and Focus' down our throat that have $45-180 markup.
3.) In order for dealerships to acquire extra allocation, it's an unspoken deal, that they must take additional allocation for slow moving vehicle lines (Taurus, Flex, Transit Connect, etc).

Dealers charge ADM because people will pay it, and they want to make money somewhere. Car sales doesn't have near the gross profit in it as it used to.

 

[ssj4sadie]

ADMs are unfortunate. However I don't blame dealers for a few reasons:

1.) They can't choose their allocation. They only get a certain number of the 'hot' vehicles.
2.) Ford jams Fiestas and Focus' down our throat that have $45-180 markup.
3.) In order for dealerships to acquire extra allocation, it's an unspoken deal, that they must take additional allocation for slow moving vehicle lines (Taurus, Flex, Transit Connect, etc).

Dealers charge ADM because people will pay it, and they want to make money somewhere. Car sales doesn't have near the gross profit in it as it used to.

It’s a business, so understandable. What I don’t like is the large dealer that seeks out and snatches up allocations/vehicles from MSRP (or slightly above) dealers. This creates a false supply/demand and pricing market.

 

[13COBRA]

It’s a business, so understandable. What I don’t like is the large dealer that seeks out and snatches up allocations/trucks from MSRP (or slightly above) dealers. This creates a false supply/demand and pricing market.

I don't disagree with you either...

But I've been on the other side of that several times with Raptors and the GT350s. I've sold both to dealers at a steep markup.

 

[rwleonard]

There is nothing wrong with charging what the market will bear.

 

[ssj4sadie]

I don't disagree with you either...

But I've been on the other side of that several times with Raptors and the GT350s. I've sold both to dealers at a steep markup.

Take advantage for sure, I’m not hating on you for that. But I bet the practice would get stopped real quick if it happened for every model.

 

[GT Premi]

There is still ADM on GT350/R and Raptors. Ford dealers have gotten into the habit of slapping on ADM. it will always be there.

The GT350s and Raptors are [supposedly] limited run vehicles. So supply will probably never satisfy the demand. The GT500 is not a limited run vehicle, e.g. it's not only for a few model years then stop. That's why the ADMs don't last on it. Once the demand has been sated, the markups will fall off. You still won't be able to get one for much below MSRP after that, but at least it won't be at a markup.

 

[ssj4sadie]

The GT350s and Raptors are [supposedly] limited run vehicles. So supply will probably never satisfy the demand. The GT500 is not a limited run vehicle, e.g. it's not only for a few model years then stop. That's why the ADMs don't last on it. Once the demand has been sated, the markups will fall off. You still won't be able to get one for much below MSRP after that, but at least it won't be at a markup.

That’s a load of sleazy salesman bullshit. The Raptor isn’t limited anymore (less actually) than the terminator was. There were over 20K Raptors produced last year. They will produce the Raptor until the next gen 150 comes out.

I would guess that there are easily 8-10 GT350s sitting on SA lots right now. Guess what, the demand is low for them because of $10k+ ADM.

There are less ZL1s here and they are being advertised below MSRP...fml, am I becoming a Chevy fanboy?

The bottom line is this, Ford dealer practices have really turned me off to the brand and I’m sure I’m not the only one.