To TVS or not, honest Op on these thoughts

[weider1717]

I have an 07 with the basics: FRPP 113 CAI, John Lund tune, 2.5" VMP upper pulley, KR axle back mufflers, FRPP L springs, FRPP adjustable shocks & struts.

No idea what it makes never been on a dyne but from what I read anywhere from 530rwhp-560rwhp.

I have 2nd set of stock wheels widened to 11" but haven't got them on yet need to get the 315/35/18's ordered and go ahead and do that.

I just read where VMP has yet another GEN TVS out now that makes even MORE power and I would love to have 700rwhp + but then I think about it like this I can't get my car at 550rwhp ti hook up worth anything as it is and the 315's should help a lot but not cure holding all of that power either.

So I ask myself with my 550rwhp car running so GREAT and it does that John Lund tune and the combo I run performs awesome such a great all around street car and the gas mileage even increased from stock! I really love it.

I fear if I go TVS and get all into going 700+rwhp then I will have to go deeper with mods correct? taking the cats out of high flow cats etc, injectors, and I would have to I believe put dual fuel pumps in?

I don't want to go TOO far with the car but I wouldn't mind say another 50rwhp at least. So, I am not sure what do to.

Any thoughts? any regrets on going "too" far with your car power wise because you can only hook up so much hp unless you're making it a dragster!! I really want the TVS but then again do I? ...

 

[jdt1970]

I have a fever and the only cure is more HP

 

[biminiLX]

The stock gearing in the early GT500s (2.97 first) is less than idea for traction and for anything but launching at strip.
'13-14 went to 2.66 first gear and it makes street driving and using the power in early gears much easier.
A TVS, 315 rears (drag radials>>sticky summer rubber) and a 2.66 trans is the best scenario.
But the answer is YES VS is worth it.
-J

 

[gimmie11s]

I have similar mods as you OP... Tune, CAI, Stainless Works off road x pipe, and a 2.6" pulley. Car probably makes 520-550whp.

My car dead hooks from a roll on in first gear with stock 3.31 rear end. Rear tires are 285/40r18 Nitto 555r drag radails...

Yes its violent in first but it hooks... definitely a neck snapper.

I, myself, very much look forward to the TVS hit and 650-700 whp in the near future. I can always add much more tire if need be. I don't particularly plan to add 3.73s.. although if it did, that would definitely add to the traction problem.

 

[ZOMBEAST]

You can go with their 720hp Gen2R kit and run one of the larger pulleys. Don't think you need any fuel upgrades either.

BTW, I would go with 305/40/18's on your widened stockers with some 3.73 gears.

 

[Catmonkey]

There are a lot of advantages to a TVS. It's just a much improved rotor design over the OEM 2 liter blower. No reason you have to pulley it to 18 psi right away either. The biggest regrets I have are being able to harness all the power. Having said that, I'm not sure I'd do anything different.

 

[weider1717]

You can go with their 720hp Gen2R kit and run one of the larger pulleys. Don't think you need any fuel upgrades either.

BTW, I would go with 305/40/18's on your widened stockers with some 3.73 gears.

Thank you all for the replies good feedback already on this topic, taking note of each thought.

Can you specify why the 305/40 over the 315/35? I was leaning towards the 315 due to slightly more traction and it comes out to 26.8 diameter to my 27" diameter stocker tires so, very close while the 305/40 is a little taller than stock and pretty "fat" looking it does fill the wheel well nicely but almost too fat looking but would like to hear your thoughts on why you suggest it, thanks.

I agree with the 3.73's it is in the future whether I go more hp with a blower swap or not.

 

[weider1717]

There are a lot of advantages to a TVS. It's just a much improved rotor design over the OEM 2 liter blower. No reason you have to pulley it to 18 psi right away either. The biggest regrets I have are being able to harness all the power. Having said that, I'm not sure I'd do anything different.

Very true about pulley to the max. Also, one question I have is with my car being and 07 with the very heavy lower I believe I read with further mods than I have they recommend to replace it with at least the lighter 08 and up lower or it could risk snapping off with high hp? Would the be true and HAVE to swap if I went TVS? Thanks

 

[Catmonkey]

I'm sure you could find a take off from someone that has upgraded to a 10% or 15%. The balancer is the same 08-14. I'd change it regardless.

 

[ZOMBEAST]

Thank you all for the replies good feedback already on this topic, taking note of each thought.

Can you specify why the 305/40 over the 315/35? I was leaning towards the 315 due to slightly more traction and it comes out to 26.8 diameter to my 27" diameter stocker tires so, very close while the 305/40 is a little taller than stock and pretty "fat" looking it does fill the wheel well nicely but almost too fat looking but would like to hear your thoughts on why you suggest it, thanks.

I agree with the 3.73's it is in the future whether I go more hp with a blower swap or not.

If you go with 3.73's you can run out of gear (4th) in the quarter mile with the shorter tire. The slightly taller tire will keep your rpms in a safer range, plus the little extra sidewall can't hurt either.

 

[802gt500]

I run 305/45/18 555r and have tvs gen II 1000 and baps. Great traction and power 869 hp 780 tq. I started at the same spot as you, so glad to ditch the m122 charger. Buddy has the stock trinity tvs and gen II is very noticeable increase and sound.

DO IT

 

[Imatk]

I have the FRPP TVS (1st gen) and am probably at the same or close HP level you are at OP.

The difference is my car is fairly stock... stock exhaust, PP suspension from a 2012 and FRPP sway bars.

I run a 3" pulley though with a Ford Racing tune.

I have difficulty hooking up with what I have now so I'll never go to a smaller pulley.

I think with a TVS it's just going to give you more options.

If you want to go with more HP you can... if not go back to a larger pulley.

That being said, if you are loving your car right now I don't really see the need to change it and spend more money.

But that's me

 

[RedVenom48]

Yes, TVS good. I regret getting rid of the Trinity TVS i had. With the TVS2650 on the horizon though, there should be plenty of TVS options soon.
..... i tbink i want that TVS2650 IF THEY EVER FRIGGEN RELEASE IT FOR OUR PLATLFORM.

 

[weider1717]

Most will not like this thought, lol.

Ford Racing had a 605hp rated TVS blower for these cars years ago. I don't think that would be a bad option for me I read a lot of people with a tune etc getting 650rwhp out of those.

Plus I will admit having FRPP everything so far I like the idea of keeping things ford racing, is it the "best" as far as hp? Of course not but as I said before I really don't want to get into modifying the car in a way I can't put it back such as drilling into my trunk putting dual pumps, hacking into the factory exhaust because too much hp will literally "burn" the cats etc.

So, maybe the VMP GEN 1, 2 and 2R is a bit much but if I am thinking at most 650rwhp is plenty for my needs this ford racing blower may do the trick and cut done on "other" mods that have to follow up with big HP blowers like the Gen ll-R.

At this point it's just a thought and should be quiet a bit cheaper if I can find one used.

This should be more in range with SAFE hp rating the car can handle also I don't need a rod through the block any easier than it can be done...

Good idea, bad idea?

 

[Imatk]

Well one thing to note with the larger blower you'll be spinning it slower with a larger pulley so less heat etc.

 

[Catmonkey]

Most will not like this thought, lol.

Ford Racing had a 605hp rated TVS blower for these cars years ago. I don't think that would be a bad option for me I read a lot of people with a tune etc getting 650rwhp out of those.

Plus I will admit having FRPP everything so far I like the idea of keeping things ford racing, is it the "best" as far as hp? Of course not but as I said before I really don't want to get into modifying the car in a way I can't put it back such as drilling into my trunk putting dual pumps, hacking into the factory exhaust because too much hp will literally "burn" the cats etc.

So, maybe the VMP GEN 1, 2 and 2R is a bit much but if I am thinking at most 650rwhp is plenty for my needs this ford racing blower may do the trick and cut done on "other" mods that have to follow up with big HP blowers like the Gen ll-R.

At this point it's just a thought and should be quiet a bit cheaper if I can find one used.

This should be more in range with SAFE hp rating the car can handle also I don't need a rod through the block any easier than it can be done...

Good idea, bad idea?

I don't think you'd see much difference price wise between the FRPP and the VMP Gen I, plus I think there are lot more of the latter. They're essentially the same thing, with VMP opening up the inlet and revising the elbow to flow more air. But if you want to keep power output down to 650, you can't do wrong with either one; however, I don't think you can get the FRPP to that level without some port work. That will run the price up higher, plus you'd need to get a larger elbow. Each iteration of the TVS didn't revise much except for the larger plenums and bigger elbows, which are only need at higher flow rates. Just don't limit yourself. It sucks to buy blowers two and three times. I've pulled the trigger on a new VMP Gen I, then the Gen II, ported it and will likely give it up when the 2650 surfaces.

 

[weider1717]

I don't think you'd see much difference price wise between the FRPP and the VMP Gen I, plus I think there are lot more of the latter. They're essentially the same thing, with VMP opening up the inlet and revising the elbow to flow more air. But if you want to keep power output down to 650, you can't do wrong with either one; however, I don't think you can get the FRPP to that level without some port work. That will run the price up higher, plus you'd need to get a larger elbow. Each iteration of the TVS didn't revise much except for the larger plenums and bigger elbows, which are only need at higher flow rates. Just don't limit yourself. It sucks to buy blowers two and three times. I've pulled the trigger on a new VMP Gen I, then the Gen II, ported it and will likely give it up when the 2650 surfaces.

Thanks, can you give some input on this tvs2650? I looked it up it doesn't look to fit our cars and read where it infect doesn't is there reason to believe there is one in the making that will fit my 07? I assume even more hp than the Gen ll-R, WOW...

 

[Catmonkey]

Here's all I know. Eaton has developed the rotor pack. VMP intends to put that rotor pack in a blower case that will fit our cars. I expect it will be more expensive than the Gen II-R. Little is known about what it will actually be, but at a 15% increase in displacement, I'm thinking it will still fit under the hood. Stay tuned. I'm sure as it gets closer to being a working model, we'll know more about it. I don't think it would give you any more horsepower than the Gen II-R with basic bolt-ons to a stock engine at the same boost levels. But the larger blower should make the same amount of boost at slower blower speeds and the reason it's peaked my interest.

 

[Black Cobra '99]

OP you don't need to change the fuel pumps, you can just use boost a pump from Kenne bell or VMP.
Keep in mind, if you do get a GEN 2 you can use a larger pulley and whenever the fever kicks you just swap a pulley. But if you buy the FRPP one and you want more power you'll have to buy another blower.

 

[HandBanana]

At the end of the day, its not about the added power really. Do you want a MUCH better blower or not? Is it worth the expense to have that blower? The eaton is kind of a turd, but its not so bad that it direly needs replacing.