Just busting your balls man. Are you semi retired from the bike game?
2016 Camaro SS drops 223 lbs and runs 12.3 @ 116
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Holy shit, +1.
My Chevy buddy's dad bought his mom a brand new WS6 and it's been babied and garage kept for it's entire life, it's immaculate. It maybe has 15,000 miles on it, I drove it like a month ago and after I got out I realized why there are so few of them. It's one of the worst cars I've ever driven from an interior, comfort and visibility point of view. I was actually shocked at how bad it was, it really changed my opinion on them.
I think I'm fully retired, actually. I did ride a full bolt-on and tuned 2004 Hayabusa this past weekend, but it just didn't do for me what riding used to. I came too close to losing my job, my savings, and most importantly, my life because of a motorcycle. No thanks.
I also realized that I'm just too fast and reckless for public street riding. I mean, I always reeled it in around others, but, well, you get the idea.
I wasn't exactly impressed with the T56 units from ford or GM, I have broken both. I ended up rebuilding the T56 in my current f-boat with a lot of tickperformance parts and put a D&D viper spec T56 in my 03 cobra... Knock on wood my MT82 has taken a lot of abuse and hasn't skipped a beat
I don't know how people like driving laying down, its weird as hell.
^ I think the thing with the MT82 was that it was specced to be used in road racing rather than drag racing. ass backwards I know since the solid axle car is really good at launching, but shifting ultra fast is something the transmission cant mechanically do with out breaking it.I wasn't exactly impressed with the T56 units from ford or GM, I have broken both. I ended up rebuilding the T56 in my current f-boat with a lot of tickperformance parts and put a D&D viper spec T56 in my 03 cobra... Knock on wood my MT82 has taken a lot of abuse and hasn't skipped a beat
The hard parts in the MT82 are actually pretty damn good and the gears are bigger than the gears in a T56. The shift pads, forks and stops are the weak link in the box. You can shift it fast as long as you use a little finesse and do not pound it like a caveman. The other problem is the craptastic clutch assembly and shifter. All of these short comings can be addressed, just takes a little money.
Road@Track and Edmunds are both quoting Ford's numbers. I just have trouble believing them being that both C@D and motortrend tested there GT's at 3800+lbs. I have never seen a 11-14 GT over 3650lbs.
I'm sure a comparison test will be coming shortly between an equally equipped Mustang and Camaro. I bet the Camaro is over 100lbs lighter.
So where is R&T/Edmunds getting their numbers for the '16 Camaro then.........
If they both quote the mfgr, then they are equal comparisons when you use the same source.
If they both say 3705 for a GT and MotorTrend says 3800, then expect the same difference to happen for the Camaro, in the same direction (heavier than mfgr states).
They just like to make everything a guessing game, and it's annoying as hell. Just like how ford neither admitted nor declined the rumors about losing 200 lbs lol... and yet people still pre ordered them aha
Kind of blows my mind how auto manufacturers can sell(preorder) cars without releasing the actual numbers.
I agree. That doesn't contradict what I said though.
Name ONE performance, efficiency, or drivability characteristic that can be quantified where it isn't superior... Interior wise BOTH were crappy.
The SS and WS6 packages would EMBARASS anything out of the Ford camp until the Ford GT came along. That's one of the primary reasons Ford cobbled together a hack-job IRS in the Cobras. Comfort? F-body seating position is no different than the Y-body - you sit in them. The Mustangs feel like a standard cab truck.
I can change plugs on my Trans Am in 40-45 minutes working at a moderate pace; quicker if I'm in a hurry on working on a cold engine. A stock manifold car in just under an hour.
So basically nobody here can knock the performance of the cars as being superior in any arena. Some of you prefer the less than ideal upright seating position and short overhangs. That's all you guys have? :lol1: Your arguments are weak at best.
LOL @ all the 4th gen hate. My 95 Z28 was dead nuts reliable and & I beat the hell out of that car for years & the 40k+ miles I owned it. The stock rear never went. Handled better than any SN95 Mustang I ever owned. My only real gripe with that car was the uncomfortable cloth seats & PITA to work on under the hood. I also had a 99 TA & again, good car. Those that say it's hard to work on the LS1 F-Bodies under the hood must have bigfoot hands or never tried to work on one. I never had an issue working on mine.
I can't agree with you on LT1 cars. PITA to work on, changing plugs, I'd rather install LT's on a GT500. Optisparks that fail, hard plastic dash that cracks, etc....LS1 entirely different story.
lol holy shit, this guy.
SS and WS6 would have a hard time keeping a Mach1 at bay on anything but a 1/4mi strip.
SN95 interior is easily two generations ahead of the ****ery GM produced in both the C5 vettes and Fbody.
Sorry but aside from straight line acceleration, a Fbody is half the car a SN95/NE is. Heres how I know, if it wasnt for the LS motor, NOBODY WOULD ****ING BUY THEM.
Just playing devils advocate. The motor is a pretty big deal lol.
I loved my '95, to this day probably my favorite car along with the Lightning because of the sheer fun I had in it. Back when you could street race without much real consequence.
But reliable? Not really. The Optipuke went out in mine several times. If you never grenaded the rear you weren't beating on it very hard. They were made of glass. The old reliable LT1 did take a licking though. I put over 60 bottles of nitrous through that engine before it finally gave up, and then only because I spun out of the hole and hit the rev limiter with no window switch, or it would've gone longer. Same with the tranny, bone stock and no issues.
The seating position didn't bother me. I had "leather" seats in mine and I found them comfortable. The cat hump on the passenger side sucked though. I didn't care for how long the dash was either. I definitely hated working on that car. No room. I cut the plug change times to a little over 1.5 hours by doing #6 and #8 from underneath and dropping the starter. And using as much nitrous as I did I was constantly checking/changing plugs. Pain in the dick!
Yea, those were the days!
The opti was a piss poor design. Mine never went out. I did change it as a preventative measure when I was in there doing some other stuff, though. I was beating it, trust me. Mine was an auto, though.
You can't agree? I just said PITA to work on. We DO agree there LOL
Yup, id agree. Its a great enough motor that you were forced to ignore the fact the rest of the car is an utter pile of garbage if you wanted to rock one.
Or, you could do what the rest of the world does, take a great car that comes with a crappy factory motor and LS swap it. Probably why you see so many v6 Fbody's and v8 cars without motors rotting in dumps and pick n pulls nation wide but finding a SN95 in any form is much harder.
^^THIS^^ When that craptastic LT1 opti-spark died ($200+ from GM) most people spent another $300 for a new water pump since nobody wanted to take a chance that their water pump might start leaking from the weep hole directly on to their new opti-spark unit.
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