Seems pretty legitimate.
'15 GT PP vs. 1LE driven by Randy Pobst
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I wasn't able to watch the video but here is the 1LE vs the 2013....
http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/c...let_camaro_ss_1le_ford_mustang_gt_track_pack/
http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/c...let_camaro_ss_1le_ford_mustang_gt_track_pack/
That was definitely disappointing. The latest and greatest with a poor showing vs. the aging Camaro. Granted this means nothing to me personally because it seems like supercharged Camaros are running mid 11s for the most part which can be matched with a bolt on 5.0.
I used to say that if I was in the market for a new car I would keep my 2011 and get an Ecoboost. Now I think I would just go with a Challenger Scat pack.
I used to say that if I was in the market for a new car I would keep my 2011 and get an Ecoboost. Now I think I would just go with a Challenger Scat pack.
its simple really. tires and damping. NOBODY takes a car off the showroom and hits the track. frankly you can't.
tires and coil overs or a set of dampers and that two seconds is easily erased. The 1Le is the best 5th gen ever built, I've said that before its a great car. but in track prepped(HDPE) from the 15(as do all coyote s197s) will give any 5th gen all it can handle.
for what the GT350 is, there needs to be a noticeable difference in performance from a TP 5.0. and there will be. ford is smarter than GM, and doesn't offer 50% coupons in their own model range. if your serious about tracking and you buy any other camaro outside of a 1LE you're an idiot. the 1LE with basic track mods is better than a Z28 for probably 45-50K invested. this won't happen in the mustang model line.
tires and coil overs or a set of dampers and that two seconds is easily erased. The 1Le is the best 5th gen ever built, I've said that before its a great car. but in track prepped(HDPE) from the 15(as do all coyote s197s) will give any 5th gen all it can handle.
for what the GT350 is, there needs to be a noticeable difference in performance from a TP 5.0. and there will be. ford is smarter than GM, and doesn't offer 50% coupons in their own model range. if your serious about tracking and you buy any other camaro outside of a 1LE you're an idiot. the 1LE with basic track mods is better than a Z28 for probably 45-50K invested. this won't happen in the mustang model line.
"If the Camaro weren't here, we'd be singing the Mustangs praises"
Hmm Kinda seems like they already made up their mind which one they were gonna like and choose with that statement, which doesnt surprise me.
I'll continue to wait to see what SVT pulls out of their butt. They're either going to create a monster that eats the Z28, or they'll create a heavy car thats disappointing.
Hmm Kinda seems like they already made up their mind which one they were gonna like and choose with that statement, which doesnt surprise me.
I'll continue to wait to see what SVT pulls out of their butt. They're either going to create a monster that eats the Z28, or they'll create a heavy car thats disappointing.
I was impressed with the mustang in that video.
Camaro 1LE is just a small amount better on the track (where 99.9% of us never go) and the mustang is great on the street (where 99.9% of us drive). Mustang is a little bit faster in the 1/4 mile, has a much better interior and looks a lot better than a car with a hood that only has primer on it.
Can't wait for mine to arrive.
Camaro 1LE is just a small amount better on the track (where 99.9% of us never go) and the mustang is great on the street (where 99.9% of us drive). Mustang is a little bit faster in the 1/4 mile, has a much better interior and looks a lot better than a car with a hood that only has primer on it.
Can't wait for mine to arrive.
That impressed you? I'd hate to see what would disappoint you. We were all told that it was OK that the S550 wasnt going to light the 1/4 mile on fire in comparison to the S197, that it would shine on the road track. Now we see a PP S550 bouncing around the track like a gummy bear in an earthquake and we're supposed to take it in stride because, "99.9" of us will never drive it like that? Oh its OK? We can just spend another $3K in tires and dampers to make it comparable to the 1LE?
Truthfully, Im not in the market for an S550 at the moment, but I was considering looking at one in the next 1 or 2 years, but the more I learn about the car, the less excited I get about it. Im starting to kick myself for passing up a 14 300A Recaro TP that was available for $8K off MSRP.
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You seemed like a very impartial and knowledgeable guy up until the point were you started busting out the tires excuse.
If thats the case, what about the Boss' advantage in lower weight or how about the fact that the 1LE rolls on 20s as opposed to the Boss' smaller 19s with decreased rotational mass/higher acceleration rate?
We can play the excuses game all day long.
Well, except for the fact that the 1LE rolls on 285s, not 305s. If you are gonna make excuses, at least make informed ones such as the guy above you.
Bottom line is simple. This is by far the greatest mustang ever. Not one review has said otherwise. I drove one 2 weeks ago (and I have one on order). I have owned a boss, 2 coyotes and 14 Shelby before this. After I drove it I was even more excited, and I test drove a non PP auto. How do you say it bounced around the track like a gummy bear in an earthquake? It looked like it did a pretty good job around the track if you ask me, and correct me if i'm wrong but did it not beat the 14 PP GT 5.0 by over a second on the same track? Is that not improvement from last years model?
Papa, its ok to try to justify your purchase. Nothing wrong with liking the new stang better than the 1le. Different strokes for different folks.
But to try to convince yourself along with everyone else that the new stang is a better performing machine, is right down silly.
Watch the video again, 1le came out the clear winner based on being a better all around drivers' car. Not just a one trick pony.
To be honest with you, I don't need to justify the purchase. I've never kept a car for more than 7-8 months. But I am extremely happy with the reviews of the new mustang so far. I drive ALOT for my job and how the car acts on the streets is VERY important to me. Comfort of the interior is VERY important to me. After I drove the new stang a few weeks ago I realized I was going to really enjoy the car.
I totally agree with you there. The new stang is a great machine. Much more refined and improved over the previous model. It just happens to not be as focused at the track as the 1le.
I also think it's odd that people are not comparing the new mustang to the 14 model.
2014 Track pack did 1:25:77
2015 PP did 1:24:32
a difference of 1.45 seconds
Camaro 1LE did 1:22:81
a difference of 1.39 seconds
Again, is this not progress? Randy explained in the video how much more track oriented/focused the new Camaro is. I think the mustang is more of a jack of all trades car.
2014 Track pack did 1:25:77
2015 PP did 1:24:32
a difference of 1.45 seconds
Camaro 1LE did 1:22:81
a difference of 1.39 seconds
Again, is this not progress? Randy explained in the video how much more track oriented/focused the new Camaro is. I think the mustang is more of a jack of all trades car.
Pretty disappointing for a car that Ford said would edge out a Boss on the track. With this showing I seriously doubt that.
I know everyone thinks, just toss some upgraded suspension on there but now you're talking about a modded S550 vs a stock 1le. Mod the 1le and now what happens?
IMO, it comes down to the fact that Ford puts absolute crap suspension on their GT cars, Performance Pack/Track Pack or otherwise. My GT bowed and yawed and dove like a 1995 Suburban when I got it new, it was horrible but thankfully the aftermarket can cure that disease. Chevy just did a damn fine job on the 1le package is all and Ford hasent had an answer to it since its release without digging into aftermarket parts.
Ford claimed the S550 GT would outrun the Boss on the track, not a GT Track Pack. Put the same size tires on the 2014 GT Track Pack as the S550 and I bet you find your second difference though...
I know everyone thinks, just toss some upgraded suspension on there but now you're talking about a modded S550 vs a stock 1le. Mod the 1le and now what happens?
IMO, it comes down to the fact that Ford puts absolute crap suspension on their GT cars, Performance Pack/Track Pack or otherwise. My GT bowed and yawed and dove like a 1995 Suburban when I got it new, it was horrible but thankfully the aftermarket can cure that disease. Chevy just did a damn fine job on the 1le package is all and Ford hasent had an answer to it since its release without digging into aftermarket parts.
Ford claimed the S550 GT would outrun the Boss on the track, not a GT Track Pack. Put the same size tires on the 2014 GT Track Pack as the S550 and I bet you find your second difference though...
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The difference is, for the last 6 months or so, you could get a base 2014 TP for $30K The 2015 PP as tested is a $10-12K difference at least. Yes, if you compare MSRP vs. MSRP, the 2015 is a better performer by far than the 2014. However, the market has been such that a person looking to buy today and considering a 2014 vs. a 2015 is going to be paying near MSRP for the 2015 but getting a huge discount on the 2014.
So yes, if you want to look at it from the perspective that Ford took its best shot with its new Mustang against Chevy's outgoing Camaro and still came up short but lost by less than the previous Mustang would've, then I guess its a victory of some sort. But if you trust Randy P and Carlos Lago's word for it, the 1LE is a better 'driver's car' than the PP. And if you're spending $40K+, why not get the more capable and more enjoyable car to drive?
there is no need to mod the 1LE because it comes with better damping from GM. so the difference is less between what is stock and the aftermarket. a GT with tires/dampers is going to do everything a 1LE with tires/dampers is. or in other words, go ahead and mod the 1LE, there is less to be had in mods with the camaro as it has a better start.
You're probably right. I wish Ford offered a package like the 1le without it having to be a special edition car ala Boss, the PP and Track Pack are just not it.
as i posted earlier, the GT350 is going to be a game changer. unlike GM there will be a reason to spend 60-70K on a higher performance model.
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