paxton or set of twins

[Bud]

a cage isn't needed to run 8's, it's great safety equipment, but not needed for an 8 second street car

A cage is needed a lot of places if you want to prove you can run 8's, at least more than once. That wrecks a car though in my opinion. History shows a cheap paxton at sea level will easily get people faster than they are willing to tech their car to. Just reality. If a person wants cheap and fast the paxton seems the logical choice.

Turbos are still cooler though :thumbsup:

 

[nix5o]

This thread cracks me up...


I have never heard/read so much BS in my life. Some people on here love hearing themselves talk/type, lol.


I have owned almost everything under the sun, blowers, single turbo,
twin turbos, nitrous..... I have raced heads up outlaw classes for over
10 yrs.

The bottom line is turbos will outrun blowers. Period. They do in Pro
Mod, Drag radial, Outlaw 10.5, x 275 etc. The turbo has to be regulated
to very small sizes in all of those classes, and superchargers are
basically unlimited.

In a street situation, where there are no rules, twin turbos will rule.
If they have not until this point, its because nobody has done it. Its
not a competition, its street stuff, for fun.
As far as cost, the turbos cost a little more, but you get double the
parts, and more adjust-ability. Its not even a discussion.:beer:

 

[beefcake]

A cage is needed a lot of places if you want to prove you can run 8's, at least more than once. That wrecks a car though in my opinion. History shows a cheap paxton at sea level will easily get people faster than they are willing to tech their car to. Just reality. If a person wants cheap and fast the paxton seems the logical choice.

Turbos are still cooler though :thumbsup:

My point is, he keeps saying the cutting 50lbs of weight is needed "to get into the 8's", but then doesn't take into account the 110lbs of the cage added back on.

of course it is smart to have a cage with an 8 second car. but the cage doesn't do anything to help getting to the 8's, it actually hurts due to the weight.

This thread cracks me up...


I have never heard/read so much BS in my life. Some people on here love hearing themselves talk/type, lol.


I have owned almost everything under the sun, blowers, single turbo,
twin turbos, nitrous..... I have raced heads up outlaw classes for over
10 yrs.

The bottom line is turbos will outrun blowers. Period. They do in Pro
Mod, Drag radial, Outlaw 10.5, x 275 etc. The turbo has to be regulated
to very small sizes in all of those classes, and superchargers are
basically unlimited.

In a street situation, where there are no rules, twin turbos will rule.
If they have not until this point, its because nobody has done it. Its
not a competition, its street stuff, for fun.
As far as cost, the turbos cost a little more, but you get double the
parts, and more adjust-ability. Its not even a discussion.:beer:

the debate isn't about how much power turbo's can make. the debate is cost for the average guy on these cars.

for a guy not building an engine, the Paxton is a no brainer, more than enough power to pop the engine, for thousands of $$ less.

even at the big level, the kit grows with you.

as far as turbo's dominating, I believe phil hinds has been putting it all over urist this year with a s/c over the turbo's

 

[nix5o]

You need to check your facts Beefcake. Urist is up on Phil 2 to 1 this year. Which also proves my point. Urist's turbo is 11mm smaller than the f1x. Let the turbo's run a 106 and see what happens.

 

[blackbeast12]

To many of these threads start out with a guy just wanting to know some good info about 2 kits he's considering. Sufficient info has been given in order for the op to make an educated choice. Now the thread has been hijacked into who beats who... Its time to shut that down guys , honestly, your not helping the op at with that stuff! I admit my comment didn't help either , but this sc vs turbo has been debated for 3 days now...you guys can settle that at the track!...

 

[Bud]

Shut it down...really?

 

[StevenStarke]

My point is, he keeps saying the cutting 50lbs of weight is needed "to get into the 8's", but then doesn't take into account the 110lbs of the cage added back on.

of course it is smart to have a cage with an 8 second car. but the cage doesn't do anything to help getting to the 8's, it actually hurts due to the weight.



the debate isn't about how much power turbo's can make. the debate is cost for the average guy on these cars.

for a guy not building an engine, the Paxton is a no brainer, more than enough power to pop the engine, for thousands of $$ less.

even at the big level, the kit grows with you.

as far as turbo's dominating, I believe phil hinds has been putting it all over urist this year with a s/c over the turbo's

yea but a 600whp paxton car is peaking 600whp right at redline, vs a turbo car is making more power earlier in the rpm band.

the paxton is a nice setup, don't get me wrong. But turbos out perform blowers, in every aspect. Yes the turbo kits are $$, but how many guys buy a blower and keep it for the life of the car? Or even their full time owning it? Blowers are easier to get bored of. Hence why people are ALWAYS selling them to upgrade.

 

[CPRsm]

i don't know how many times i have to say it. my car went 8.74 with a k member and radiator support. take those off and you have another 50-60 lbs, the car would still be well into the 8's

Woulda, coulda, didn't. Maybe you could have done it with stock cams too, but you didn't. Maybe with a plastic intake, but you didn't. Point is when you were plumetting in ET those are things you added because of a benefit to you. Things you chose like everyone else running those times.

My point is, he keeps saying the cutting 50lbs of weight is needed "to get into the 8's",

Where did I "keep" saying it's needed? Where did I say it once? You said that on the last page. I had to go back and quote myself, where I said you DIDN'T need it.
Here is said interaction.
http://www.svtperformance.com/forum...4/962629-paxton-set-twins-4.html#post13436905

Here's the first mention of you thinking I said "needed." I corrected you there again. http://www.svtperformance.com/forum...4/962629-paxton-set-twins-2.html#post13433928

I'm totally lost :shrug: short and sweet. Show me where I said it was needed and I'll pay you $1,000.

If you don't feel like looking here was my first statement on the subject.

That's a good point and something many forget when adding up the total. Initial cost for some stuff is cheaper and appealing. When you start wanting to go faster some of the other options you'll end up wanting, but ours already has all the things you'llbe buying anyway.

...

How 'bout you shut down that sig. Forums rules state your post must be informative and more characters than your sig LOL :lol::beer:

 

[Coyote'13]

Shut it down...really?

:lol: that sig hurts my eyes to read

 

[Dizzyscure1]

My point is, he keeps saying the cutting 50lbs of weight is needed "to get into the 8's", but then doesn't take into account the 110lbs of the cage added back on.

of course it is smart to have a cage with an 8 second car. but the cage doesn't do anything to help getting to the 8's, it actually hurts due to the weight.



the debate isn't about how much power turbo's can make. the debate is cost for the average guy on these cars.

for a guy not building an engine, the Paxton is a no brainer, more than enough power to pop the engine, for thousands of $$ less.

even at the big level, the kit grows with you.

as far as turbo's dominating, I believe phil hinds has been putting it all over urist this year with a s/c over the turbo's

:lol: TT setups aren't cheap to do it correct you need $1000's more and like knowledgably people are saying both can pop a stock motor no problem. It comes down to what your desires with the car are and how deep your pockets are. I wouldn't TT a stock coyote instead I would go with the cheaper Paxton. Now if I was wanting to drop $15-20k on a engine and supporting mods then I would go the TT route. op:

 

[stretchb]

im gonna run my TT with stock plastic intake. don't know what its ever gonna run.
my goal is to run with the Hellion Eliminator car. (with budget system)

 

[beefcake]

You need to check your facts Beefcake. Urist is up on Phil 2 to 1 this year. Which also proves my point. Urist's turbo is 11mm smaller than the f1x. Let the turbo's run a 106 and see what happens.

Facts checked

Current points

1 Phil Hines 2900
2 John Urist 2390

:lol: TT setups aren't cheap to do it correct you need $1000's more and like knowledgably people are saying both can pop a stock motor no problem. It comes down to what your desires with the car are and how deep your pockets are. I wouldn't TT a stock coyote instead I would go with the cheaper Paxton. Now if I was wanting to drop $15-20k on a engine and supporting mods then I would go the TT route. op:

At the end of the day. That is where it lies. For the guys that do not plan on building an engine. The Paxton is the least expensive way to go, with more than enough power to pop the motor.

 

[manolith]

Even on an aluminator you can make 900rwhp or so which is what is considered safe for them on a paxton for around $2000less than a tt or good single kit. Those 2 grand you save could go towards fuel system and Tuning. The turbo setup will have more torque and will be faster in street rolls. But at the drag strip they will be dead even.

 

[Bud]

At the end of the day. That is where it lies. For the guys that do not plan on building an engine. The Paxton is the least expensive way to go, with more than enough power to pop the motor.

That brings up an interesting question though. Blowers take a lot of power to spin. A turbo makes power more efficiently so for the same rwhp is the turbo putting less stress on the stock internals? How much HP does it take to spin a Paxton?

 

[blackbeast12]

I'll tone down the sig, and join this debate thread..Paxton rules!!!!........lol

 

[Deespeed99]

I can probaby say that 90% of the paxton lovers have never ridden in a turbo car. I road in both before i made my decision and although these cars have good torque the paxton felt slow in comparison. Id go with a roots blower before a centri. The lack of torque compared to a turbo setup is very noticeable. Like its been pointed out if cost is the issue paxton all day but id rather spend another 1-2G for a turbo setup.

 

[Deespeed99]

Also lets be honestly beefcake will never say anything negative towards paxton or centri blowers because thats what he has and what he sells. It just wont happen so all the trying to get him to see everyones elses views are pointless.

 

[poof100]

Even on an aluminator you can make 900rwhp or so which is what is considered safe for them on a paxton for around $2000less than a tt or good single kit. Those 2 grand you save could go towards fuel system and Tuning. The turbo setup will have more torque and will be faster in street rolls. But at the drag strip they will be dead even.

I want to make sure I'm reading this right, you are saying that a Paxton car at 10psi will run the same times at the track as a Turbo car on 10psi? What does your car run on your 10psi?

Also lets be honestly beefcake will never say anything negative towards paxton or centri blowers because thats what he has and what he sells. It just wont happen so all the trying to get him to see everyones elses views are pointless.

Unless it's a Procharger, but if Hines runs the Procharger, I guess it's ok :shrug:

 

[Eric@jpc]

All i have to say is not all 700 HP cars are not created equal. Just sayin

 

[beefcake]

Also lets be honestly beefcake will never say anything negative towards paxton or centri blowers because thats what he has and what he sells. It just wont happen so all the trying to get him to see everyones elses views are pointless.

it's not just what I sell, it's what I run

it's a proven product for this platform